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Oil prices & bond yields jump; US PPI rises further; US inventories rise; Trump splashes the cash; ECB hikes; Aussie inflation expectations rise; UST 10yr at 4.96%; gold lower and oil jumps; NZ$1 = 58 USc; TWI-5 = 61.3

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Oil prices & bond yields jump; US PPI rises further; US inventories rise; Trump splashes the cash; ECB hikes; Aussie inflation expectations rise; UST 10yr at 4.96%; gold lower and oil jumps; NZ$1 = 58 USc; TWI-5 = 61.3
Breakfast Briefing

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand, with news bond prices and equity prices are falling as oil prices have jumped, and markets now see a much larger chance the US Fed will have to raise rates when it meets on Thursday next week (NZT). Bond yields have jumped today in an outsized shift. Inflation risks are mounting everywhere now.

Copper, silver and gold prices are sliding today.

Adding to anxiety, Iran-backed Houthis have seized another Red Sea port in a defeat for Saudi Arabia, putting more pressure on the Red Sea shipping lanes.

And in the US, at a sparsely attended 'convention', Trump has added to his cash promises to American voters if they keep a Republican Congress after the November elections that now exceed US$1 tln.

In the US, producer prices rose in August more than expected and more than in July. They were up +5.4% from a year ago, faster than the July +4.8% rise. Clearly inflation is embedding in the US economy and is likely to spill out to consumer prices very soon - though the risks of that for their service economy seem much less.

US fuel prices have risen sharply too with diesel now almost averaging US$6/bal, petrol up at US$4.27/gal. These are both quite big rises just from yesterday.

US initial jobless claims rose last week to 176,500, about what seasonal factors would have indicated. There are now 1.675 mln people on these benefits, much lower than last week as qualification standards bite very much harder now.

US crude oil stocks fell again last week but by less than expected and by less than the prior week.

US existing home sales fell -2% in August to under a 4 mln annual rate. Unsold inventories rose. These dynamics are unlikely to get better because benchmark mortgage rates are about to jump.

After declining for all of 2026, the US inventory-to-sales ratio jumped unexpectedly in July with wholesale inventories up +1.3% from June to be +5.7% higher than year-ago levels.

So it will be no surprise to know that the median yield for today's US 30yr bond auction rose to 5.25% (hi 5.31%), from 5.15% at the prior equivalent event a month ago.

As expected, the European Central Bank raised its policy rate by +25 bps to 2.65% saying that they expect inflation to be elevated and this required pushback.

Australian inflation expectations have remained unchanged at 4.9% in September as they were in August. That is far above the July 3.5% official CPI rate and the August CPI update won't come until the end of this month. And last month’s spike in wage expectations appears to have been a temporary blip, with expectations about year-ahead pay growth falling to just +1.2%. The squeeze is on and quite hard now.

OPEC's monthly report showed that overall output rose by almost +350,000/bbl/day in the month led by Iraq. But they lowered their demand expectations for 2026 on the trajectory of the global economy. It is not often you see rising out put, lower demand, and a sharp jump in prices. That Trump guy is something 'special'.

Global container freight rates were little-changed last week, staying at unusually high levels and up +119% from a year ago. Rises in China-to-US rates were offset by falls in China-to-EU rates. Meanwhile bulk cargo rates rose +12% last week, and are now +175% higher than year-ago levels.

The UST 10yr yield is now just on 4.96%, a jump of +12 bps from yesterday at this time. The 30 year yield is at 5.36%, up +3 bps. The key 2-10 yield curve is now at +39 bps (down -3 bps). Their 1-5 curve is now at +47 bps (up +3 bps) and the 3 mth-10yr curve is at +118 bps (+7 bps). The China 10 year bond rate is holding at 1.68%. The Japanese 10 year bond yield is now at 2.92%, up +3 bps. The Australian 10 year bond yield starts today at 5.31%, up +8 bps from yesterday. The NZ Government 10 year bond rate is now at 4.91%, up +9 bps.

Wall Street is lower again today with the S&P500 down -0.6% and the Nasdaq down -0.7%. Overnight European markets were all down about -0.6%. Yesterday Tokyo closed dup +0.2%. Hong Kong was down -1.3% while Shanghai fell -0.4%. Singapore ended down -0.7%. The ASX200 ended its Thursday trade down a full -1.0%. The NZX50 ended down -0.8%.

The price of gold is now at US$4337/oz, and down -US$81 from yesterday at this time. Silver is down -US$4 at just under US$64/oz.

Oil prices are up +US$6 at a very high US$102/bbl in the US, while the international Brent price has risen +US$6.50 to just over US$107.50/bbl. Hormuz transits are still very low today with just seven ships exiting over the past 24 hours, just one tanker escorted (0 dark with transponders off) and six entering for new loads (2 dark). The Red Sea activity is little-changed from yesterday with about 20 each way at the Yemen chokepoint.

The Kiwi dollar is down -40 bps from yesterday, now just under 58 USc and a six week low. Against the Aussie we are up +10 bps at just under 81 AUc. Against the euro we are down -30 bps as well at 49.9 euro cents. That all means our TWI-5 starts today at just over 61.3, down -30 bps from yesterday.

The bitcoin price starts today at US$77,113 and down -2.1% from yesterday at this time. Volatility over the past 24 hours has again been modest at just under +/-1.2%.

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We need to be more aware of energy, from here on. 

Mike Casey (Morning Report this a.m.) acknowledged what I pointed out last night - that our attempt to prolong modernity will require fossil input for years to come. He's on the right track in terms of solar smoothing the descent - but I sense that if we had a re-run of my challenge to him a couple of years back, he wouldn't be so sure...  Corin Dann correctly points out the 40% electricity, 60% FF mix in NZ. 

A good appraisal is Morgan's latest: Surplus Energy Economics | The home of the SEEDS economic model – Tim Morgan

It is well worth contemplating. 

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Is anyone really campaigning on it?

Our number one reported issue is the cost of living - trying to maintain our excessive lifestyle without increasing our productivity. Its the exact opposite of what we need to focus on. We should be investing (I know you won't agree PDK) in renewable energy sources, not throwing money away on handouts or tax cuts. I doubt it would be possible to build too much electricity generation, we should just get on with it. 

We are on a very slippery slope right now. 

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Without increasing your energy-efficiency, you mean? Because that is what 'productivity' is, as you'd know if you read the linked article. 

The 'cost of living' is an energy problem (tell me a product, including food, not affected by oil/gas price/availability?). Seen wrongly by most - again: read the link. 

'Renewables' are really rebuildables: dams, PV, wind turbines; they're not sources, properly speaking, any more than generators are. Energy cannot be created or destroyed (1st Law) so all are harnessing's thereof; from potential via kinetic, ultimately derived from solar radiation. 

I have no problem with turning some of the remaining oil into PV - it delivers energy long after the oil has gone, thus spreading the useful-energy time. But PV doesn't build PV, nor will. Windmills won't build new windmills. We are using the dams full-noise NOW, even WITH the FF - you think we can divert enough of their energy, to build more dams? I'd put my 'money' on flying pigs. 

I also have no problem with low-tech (locally fixable) and suspect we will be running small-scale hydro (as I have for nearly 20 years) in conjunction with old-school wind (pumping water to height when it blows) and I've long advocated water-at-heigh as the most environmentally-benign, easiest-done storage of energy. At that scale and level of tech, no need for importing, no complexity needed. 

 

 

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I disagree that it's an energy problem. Before this war fossil energy was flowing and fairly cheap. Even now its not that expensive. Yet the COL started increasing before that. 

I'd say the West has got too lazy, and Asia has well and truly overtaken us. And our response is to become lazier via more handouts because of the COL. We also have an ageing population that we keep pretending wont be an issue. 

When I say lazy I don't mean we aren't working hard, but we aren't working on the right things. 

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The EROEI has been descending, acceleratingly, forever. Started around 100:1 (for every barrel of oil expended we got 100 out of the ground) we have dropped because we go for the best. Of everything. First. 

We are now down to around the 8:1 level below which BAU cannot be maintained. We increased debt commensurately (incidentally invalidating the 'money' you ALWAYS default to, as an accounting form) and triaged maintenance - and of course, blamed 'others'. 

So sorry, energy cost - in energy terms, and really there are no other - was rising all through that period. How folk can value stuff in money, while compartmentalising debt on a different ledger, beats me. It has been taking more than $1 of debt, to 'produce' $! of GDP, globally, since the GFC - and arguably longer. The debt is essentially energy-unassuageable at this point - so reconciliation can only mean either rampant inflation or belief-collapse. 

As for the west/east - we offshored creating stuff to slave-labour (whole or partial) places - and imported some of that to work here. Those places have slacker safety and environmental regs too - we 'paid' for that using our houses as Ponzi credit cards. It could never be a permanent arrangement. And we no longer can 'afford' our own wages, because of? 

Drumroll - declining EROEI (remembering that fossil energy does so much work compared to a human, that the latter doesn't count. (Only a dinosaur discipline (?) based on a pre-fossil-energy treatise - The Wealth of Nations - doesn't get that, still misunderstanding 'productivity'. 

Declining EROEI and availability of FF energy, coupled with entropy, is a FAR GREATER PROBLEM than a reducing population. From an engineering perspective, that is. 

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A column in the NZH by David Cohn includes a quote, that I had never come across before,  in 1919 by the doyen of cynics H L Mencken - “every election is a sort of advance auction on stolen goods.” Given the concurrent dawning of the Age of Oil, precipitated by WW1, suggest that quote doesn’t need much tweaking to generally fit in with the narrative nowadays concerning energy resources does it.

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It kind of depressing the proletariat are so easily bought off by being tossed a few of their own coins. 

"US President Donald Trump says he would offer every adult American a $5,000 (£3,700) payout if Republicans win both chambers of Congress in November's midterm elections"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62kzr1jg0jo

If the US accepts the bribe, there's no turning back for humanity. 

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"We also have an ageing population that we keep pretending wont be an issue."

No, we have a declining birth rate that should be allowed to run its course, ultimately producing a smaller, more sustainable population. Once we get past the population bubble, caused by mass exploitation of the planets finite resources and the mythology our intellectual band width has been deliberately drowned in by clueless shysters, the future could be peaceful and abundant for all remaining life on Earth. We really need to get the culty obsession with mathematics out of leadership! Will the period where there's an imbalance between elderly and young to support them be potentially difficult? Only in the expectations sense for some.  Boomers will pretty much all be dead in thirty years.  

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"We need to be more aware of energy"

Good point PDK, perhaps Interest should follow the price of oil (or even better the refined products).  Hardly anyone is talking about it, but there is apparently a skirmish in a place called the Straight of Hormuz.  You're forgiven if you have never heard of this place,  since nobody talks about it.  I hear that this could impact the price of energy...

Did you realize that energy is a finite resource,  and that our planet is also finite?  Perhaps you could take it upon yourself to inform the ignorant people of this plight by doing it daily and repetitively?

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'price' mentioned twice. And in such a short post. 

My work is obviously not over...

:)

But the underlying predicament is the only game in town - all else, particularly else hiding behind 'price' (in fiat-levered, keystroke-issued debt - what is that, exactly?) is avoiding addressing the near future in realistic terms. 

go well - while you can

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"Going well, while we can" as you say, means not spending every day we have left to live worrying constantly about the end of the world and repeating daily, multiple times, how bad things are on this planet.

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https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-august-2026

I don't worry. 

I aim to change the discussion, on behalf of my grandkids, and theirs. 

It seems that task is not yet completed. 

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Problem is, the message just isn't getting through Yvil. Anyone observant can see the crash in planet Earths ecology. Should the observers just quietly stand on the sidelines as the bean counting cult strip mine what's left of the biosphere? 

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My better-half reminds me to forgive them, for they know not what they do.

I argue back that they are choosing not to know - which is somewhat different. 

But she has a point; taught that rentiering-via-proxy could 'make you wealthy' - they seem to have a hard time understanding what that wealth is; more importantly - what it is backed by. You can understand why, when they're old - no time to go-around again. 

And late in a rentier life, there are perhaps a lack of useful skills, too. 

 

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Cheer up chap.

"The population of the world’s heaviest parrot, the kākāpō, has surpassed 300 birds for the first time in 75 years, after a record breeding season triggered by the mass fruiting of a native New Zealand tree.

Ninety chicks were officially added to the population of the critically endangered birds on 1 September, pushing the total to 325 – a record high since recovery efforts began.

“In the early years of recovery, it took 16 years to produce that many chicks,” Vercoe said."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/01/record-breeding-worlds-he…

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?

What was their population prior to human impact? 

 

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I don't know, but I can't wait until they are back on the menu. 

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Nice feel good story there Profile. Kakapo are functionally extinct, as are many other NZ species. Pushed there by human ignorance then, arrogance. Sure, some commendable people work hard to keep the barely existent gene pool from totally disappearing, and good on them. Then we've got f wits like those in the coalition government wanting to "enable economic and commercial opportunities on public conservation land to the "greatest extent practicable"."

 We'll see what's left after bird flu has swept the counrty. A healthy population may have resisted, but tiny populations of inbred individuals???

"According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), 61% of the world's assessed bird species are currently in decline, with over half of all global migratory bird species facing shrinking populations."

 

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Things are on the improve chap.

"...Extinction rates in amphibians were highest in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s (presumably due to chytrid fungus). Mammals peaked in the 1930s and birds in the 1890s and 1900s.

...Extinction rates have increased over the last five centuries, but generally declined in the last 100 years. Recent extinctions were predominantly on islands, whereas the majority of non-island extinctions were in freshwater. Island extinctions were most frequently related to invasive species, but habitat loss was the most important cause (and current threat) in continental regions. Overall, we identify the major patterns in recent extinctions but caution against extrapolating them into the future."

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article/292/2057/20251717/23478…

 

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Not much left to extinct. Habitat is gone! The specialists were the first to go and those susceptable to humans moving invasive species around the planet. We are left with the stayers now. Rats, mice, cockroaches, farmed animals, bed bugs, mosquitos, sparrows, ticks......All those things that parasitise off the human species and the new terraformed wasteland. 

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Perhaps try and get out more.

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It is not often you see rising output, lower demand, and a sharp jump in prices. That Trump guy is something 'special'.

😂😂😂 thanks for the laugh DC.

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DISCLAIMER - this is a very long post -  please feel free to scroll.

The Treasury Meltdown: When the Bond Market Finally Says No

This is an acute case of black comedy, although probably not for anyone holding a lot of long-dated US government debt - its also about watching the US Treasury discover that bond markets are not particularly interested in taking financial advice from Scott Bessent.

The latest bright idea is a $6 billion buyback of longer-dated Treasury securities, apparently intended to calm the bond market and put downward pressure on long-term yields - and the market's response  - gee thanks, Scott, we'll take your $6 billion and raise you another few basis points.

The 10-year Treasury yield has pushed towards 5%, while the 30-year has surged through 5.3%, reaching levels not seen since before the Global Financial Crisis.

And this is the important part. This isn't simply a story about interest rates. It is a story about confidence in the entire US monetary and fiscal architecture.


The great reserve-currency misunderstanding

One of the standard responses to concerns about US debt is that America has an enormous advantage because the dollar is the world's dominant reserve currency. Arguably true but that argument gets the causality backwards.

Reserve-currency status is not an independent source of immunity from fiscal and monetary discipline. It is ultimately a consequence of international confidence in the currency, the institutions behind it and the financial system in which those claims are held.

There is an even more important distinction. The dollar wasn't merely the world's reserve currency; it was effectively the world's default currency, the asset everyone ran towards when things went wrong.

The extraordinary irony of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis was that the crisis originated in the US financial system, yet the world's response was to flee into the US dollar and US Treasuries. The Federal Reserve recorded a sharp rise in demand for Treasury securities and a substantial appreciation of the dollar as investors sought the relative safety of US assets. In other words, America could cause the crisis and still be the safe haven from the crisis. That was, in essence, the crux of the so-called extraordinary privilege.

That is precisely why the present situation is so dangerous. The United States is now behaving so serially irresponsibly, that investors no longer regard it as the world's financial safe haven, the adjustment mechanism changes completely. The country that once provided the world's refuge becomes another source of systemic risk. The reserve-currency privilege then ceases to be a protective shield and potentially becomes an accelerant.


The Triffin problem

There is also a deeper irony that conventional economic thinking seems remarkably reluctant to confront. Robert Triffin identified the basic contradiction decades ago: the issuer of the world's principal reserve currency must supply the rest of the world with that currency and therefore tends towards persistent external deficits. The very mechanism that supplies the world with reserve assets can simultaneously undermine the issuer's external balance.

So why would any country deliberately aspire to become the world's reserve-currency issuer?

It is rather like winning the prestigious international competition for the privilege of becoming everyone's banker,  and then discovering that the job description requires you to lend to everyone while progressively destroying your own balance sheet.

America didn't merely inherit the privilege. It has spent decades exploiting it. And now the bill is arriving.


The fiat experiment

The deeper problem is that the post-1971 monetary system has increasingly relied upon the ability of governments and central banks to expand nominal financial claims without the discipline imposed by convertibility into a scarce monetary asset.

That system can work for a time, but eventually the question becomes unavoidable - how many claims can be created against the future before the market begins questioning the value of those claims?

The United States has now crossed the $40 trillion national-debt threshold. The question is therefore no longer simply, “Can America pay its debts?” Of course it can pay them in nominal dollars.

The much more important question is: “What will those dollars actually be worth?”

There are several ways a heavily indebted sovereign can ultimately deal with an unsustainable debt burden - fiscal discipline, strong economic growth, explicit default, inflation, monetary debasement, financial repression, or some combination of all of these.

What cannot continue indefinitely is the fantasy that a government can accumulate ever-increasing quantities of debt while simultaneously demanding that investors accept ever-lower compensation for holding it. The bond market is now openly challenging that fantasy.


And then along comes Bessent

Which brings us to Scott Bessent, who appears to have discovered a fascinating financial proposition - if treasury yields are too high, perhaps the Treasury should simply buy treasuries themselves.

This looks positively brilliant until you remember that the Treasury has a rather larger problem than $6 billion of securities. The US government is sitting on more than $40 trillion of debt while running enormous ongoing fiscal deficits.

Against that backdrop, a $6 billion buyback is roughly the financial equivalent of arriving at a house fire with a garden hose and announcing that the fire department has everything completely under control.

The market apparently wasn't persuaded. The Treasury's buyback operation was expected by some investors to be materially larger, yet long-term yields subsequently rose. The problem is that buying some existing bonds may improve liquidity - it does not eliminate the deficit, future Treasury issuance, or the interest bill.

In other words, Bessent can rearrange the deckchairs. - but the iceberg remains remarkably unimpressed.


The really dangerous part is the long end

This is why the 10-year and particularly the 30-year charts matter. Back in 1981, the United States could sustain Treasury yields around 14%. That sounds terrifying until you look at the other side of the balance sheet - federal debt was a fraction of today's burden relative to GDP.

Today we are talking about debt above 120% of GDP while long-term yields are moving towards 5–6%. That is an entirely different proposition. Five or six percent interest rates were not particularly frightening when the debt stock was relatively modest. Five or six percent applied across an enormous sovereign debt stock is another animal altogether.

And this is where the feedback mechanism becomes potentially vicious:

Higher yields → higher interest expense → larger deficits → greater Treasury issuance → greater supply → greater investor demands for yield → still higher yields.

Once confidence becomes part of the equation, the process can become nonlinear.


The reserve currency can become the accelerant

This is the point conventional analysis routinely misses. The dollar's reserve-currency status gave the United States extraordinary financial latitude. But that privilege depends upon confidence.

If confidence deteriorates sufficiently, the mechanism that previously allowed America to borrow almost without constraint can reverse direction. Foreign investors do not need to dump every Treasury tomorrow. They merely need to become progressively less enthusiastic about absorbing additional Treasury supply. The marginal buyer then demands a higher return.

Higher yields increase fiscal stress. Fiscal stress increases concerns about monetisation. Monetisation increases concerns about the future purchasing power of the dollar. Those concerns increase the required return on dollar assets.

And around we go.

The world's appetite for dollar assets allowed the United States to accumulate an extraordinary quantity of liabilities. If that appetite changes, those liabilities don't disappear. They become the mechanism through which the adjustment occurs.


And moving to the short end doesn't solve the problem

There is another temptation here - simply issue more short-term Treasury bills. That may make the Treasury's immediate funding costs appear more manageable if short rates are lower, but it hardly constitutes a cure. It simply concentrates the refinancing requirement.

The government becomes increasingly dependent upon continually rolling over enormous quantities of debt. That may work while markets remain cooperative. But if confidence is deteriorating, transforming long-duration debt into a giant refinancing requirement is not exactly revolutionary financial engineering - it could well speed up the meltdown.


The chart is beginning to look different

This is why the latest movement in the 10-year and 30-year yields is so interesting. The issue isn't that 5% is historically unprecedented. It isn't. The issue is what 5% now sits on top of: a debt burden exceeding 120% of GDP, persistent fiscal deficits, enormous refinancing requirements, inflationary pressures and a monetary system whose credibility ultimately rests upon confidence.

That combination is very different from 1981. And it is profoundly different from 2008.

In 2008, the US could help cause the world's financial crisis and still enjoy a massive flight to safety into the dollar and Treasuries. The dollar was the reserve currency,  but more importantly, it was the world's default refuge.

The danger now is that America's extraordinary fiscal and monetary behaviour is destroying that second, more important status. If investors begin to conclude that the United States is no longer the place to hide from a financial crisis but one of the places from which they need to hide, the dynamics become radically different.

That is the scenario the bond market needs to price.

And that is why the move towards 5.3% on the 10-year and 6% on the 30-year demands a very close watch. They are stress markers - if the trajectory towards them becomes parabolic rather than gradual, the mathematics change very quickly.


The punchline

Perhaps the great irony is that the people attempting to rescue the Treasury market may eventually discover that the Treasury market doesn't need rescuing from illiquidity.

It needs rescuing from the arithmetic. But arithmetic is notoriously resistant to press conferences, jawboning eCONomists and idiotic Treasury Secretarys, particular if they are George Sorros understudies.

Bessent can buy bonds. He can change the maturity profile. He can attempt to influence the yield curve. He can reassure investors. But he cannot make $40 trillion of debt disappear by buying $6 billion of it.

If the underlying problem is a loss of confidence in the future purchasing power of the currency in which that debt is denominated, buying back a few bonds is not a solution - it's theatre - bad theatre.

What's reall uncomfortable is that the great post-1971 fiat experiment is reaching the point where the market is beginning to ask a question that was postponed for decades - how much debt can you create before the privilege of issuing the world's reserve currency stops being an advantage and starts becoming the mechanism of your demise?

If the answer is that the reckoning has already begun, then that little kink upwards on the 10-year and 30-year charts may not be the beginning of another ordinary bond-market cycle - it may be the beginning of something much uglier.

And if that is what we are watching, Scott Bessent's $6 billion bond-buyback operation could go down as one of the more spectacular examples of attempting to solve a terminally systemic debt problem with a pathetically small cheque. The bond market, rather rudely, appears to have noticed.

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Yes, it's a long post, but it's a beauty, absolutely worthwhile reading. It explains the multiple financial difficulties the US is facing, in a very clear fashion.  It also has some pearls like: "This is about watching the US Treasury discover that bond markets are not particularly interested in taking financial advice from Scott Bessent".

To my fellow Interest readers, read it, it's well worth 10 minutes of your time.

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And I didn't even get mention the  war, Yvil, which is yet another huge geopolitical hurdle that will multiply this escalating security, financial, socio-economic, and humanitarian, debacle.

Iran has just laid down six non-negotiable conditions for ending the war...

Ex Elijah Magnier at ~41.30 in the link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEZkTWsITsM

#1 Washington must halt all strikes and threats, and end its wars on all fronts.

#2 Compel Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

#3 End the war in Gaza and withdraw all occupation troops.

#4 Lift the siege on Yemen. 

#5 Release $24 billion in frozen Iranian assets.

#6 Cease interfering with Iran's nuclear and missile programs. 

This ultimatum came with a new equation of deterrence - for every two Iranian targets hit, Tehran will strike twenty US targets. 

Given that the US will likely fail on most of these demands, if not all six, then it appears practically inevitable that the situation in the ME/West Asia, will be a blight on humanity well into 2027, and with the global repercussions spanning well beyond that. 

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I imagine most  of us when growing up were told, at some point, that it is best not to start anything if you don’t know how to finish it. Some though,  either were not told or didn’t listen.

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Trump's ears are merely painted on, which is just one of the reasons why he poses an existential threat to humanity. 

I stated publicly, prior to his second term, that if he ever got his foot inside the door of the Oval Office again, that he could well prove to be even more dangerous to humanity than Hitler - we are on this trajectory right now.   

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An interesting take. In so much that in Paul Johnson’s excellent “Modern Times” there is a chapter captioned “Waiting for Hitler.” If I can find it I might go and read it again. Anyway would suggest if that author was to continue on from his earlier “A History of the American People” likely there would be a chapter captioned “Waiting for Trump.”  Obviously the times and trails leading to the respective leaderships are entirely different but my point is that extreme leaders don’t just arrive by themselves, the contribution by underlying collective ambitions, prejudices and downright greed is what propels them to power. 

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Precisely, Foxglove - Chris Hedges, IMO, said it best...

"Demagogues are always vomited up in societies beset with political and economic decay," and he frequently emphasizes that "Donald Trump is a symptom of our diseased society... He is what is vomited up out of decay."

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CM - Trump is a symptom, not a cause. There we agree.

Take him and his cohort away - and the US faces EXACTLY THE SAME PREDICAMENT.

 The US is a dying hegemony, under a sinking resource-lid. Cannot go back - indeed none of us will see 2025 again. Nor is there room under that lid for a pretender - presumably China - to get as 'big' as the US got. Relatively it can become the biggest, vis-a-vis contemporary others, but bigger than the US at its peak? 

No. 

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PDK, you said... "Nor is there room under that lid for a pretender - presumably China - to get as 'big' as the US got. Relatively it can become the biggest, vis-a-vis contemporary others, but bigger than the US at its peak?" 

This is the bit where I say No. 

In terms of PGDP (Productive GDP) China overtook the US more than a decade ago, and is now ~300% larger on that metric. The US with its massively parasitic financial economy  now languishes in third place behind India.

Even in the broad-brush PPP GDP metric China overtook the US back in 2014.

"In terms of industrial mobilization—the ability to physically churn out steel, ships, and infrastructure—China’s current baseline capacity is vastly superior to the modern United States, and arguably higher than America’s mid-20th-century industrial peak. ( quoted from int.co.nz)

If you define an empire by its industrial grit and physical infrastructure, NIIP, and crditor status combined, then China has already built the largest real economy in human history. 

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I think in terms of resource and FF consumption (and while PP is important and China will never get to the US in PP terms, that's not what we're talking here). The US consumes more oil, but less coal. 

Are you saying that China consumes internally, more than the US at peak? Or is exported material included in that GDP (like all our whiteware?). I may be dated - but my understanding was that a good deal of China's production went offshore. It is hard to get tonnages rather than % of GDP - which is meaningless. 

 

 

 

 

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PDK, you are raising an interesting point, regarding exports.

Rather than becoming mired in nihilism, I prefer to work with quantifiable facts and avoid the distractions of memes and narratives that are so often a product of the FIC, and used to paint a completely false picture of the direction global geopolitics are headed - even if this does rile the resident xenophobes (which doesn't include you) within our midst.

Also, I like to acknowledge that quantum leaps in technology will lead to a remarkably more efficient use of existing resources, recycling, and the discovery of new ones, including energy, some of which we never had a clue that they even existed.

Diverting trillions from the global MIC killing-machine into societal benefits will be a major breakthrough too. That is a major reason why I remain eternally optimistic in anticipation of a new multipolar global paradigm - one that relies on cooperation, rather than murdering one another to try to get ahead (excuse the macabre pun).  

In turn all of this combined can lead to a shrinking global population, as hundreds of millions of people achieve a certain thresh-hold level of wealth, as a result of no longer being constantly pillaged by the Western imperialism.  

When we shift from the distraction of dollar values, to physical reality, tonnages, raw materials, and energy throughput, China’s internal domestic system already completely dwarfs the US at its absolute historical peak, even after you subtract everything they export.

1. The Tonnage Reality (Steel & Cement) - the absolute backbone of physical infrastructure.

Steel: China produces and consumes over 1 billion metric tons of steel annually (roughly 55% of global output). The US peak steel production was around 100 million tons in the 1970s.

Cement: China consumes roughly 2.2 billion metric tons of cement every year. To put that tonnage into perspective, China used more cement between 2011 and 2013 than the United States used in the entire 20th century.

Domestic Absorption: We cannot export a skyscraper, a 45,000 km high-speed rail network, or a mega-dam. That titanic volume of material is entirely absorbed and consumed domestically within China.

2. The Export Myth vs. Domestic Consumption

It’s true a lot of finished goods go offshore, but if you look at China’s manufacturing value-added output, exports only account for about 20% to 25% of their total industrial activity.

This means 75% to 80% of China's massive industrial engine is running purely to build, fuel, and supply its own domestic market.

Even if you completely delete the 25% they export, the remaining 75% domestic footprint is still vastly larger than the total peak output of the US economy.

3. Total Primary Energy Consumption

Yes, the US burns more oil (largely because of a legacy, car-dependent transport system), but oil is only one slice of the thermodynamic pie.

In terms of total primary energy backing an economy, China’s total consumption is now sitting well over 180 quadrillion BTUs.

By comparison, the absolute historic peak for the United States was 101 quadrillion BTUs (hit back in 2007). China is nearly double the US peak.

4. The Sinking Resource Lid

Re the "sinking lid," but  hasn't China spent the last decade building an escape hatch?

While the US remains gridlocked by legacy fossil-fuel dependencies, China's internal power generation just crossed 10 trillion kilowatt-hours, a scale never seen in human history.

Critically, their solar capacity has now officially overtaken coal capacity, meaning their massive internal domestic consumption is increasingly powered by domestic, renewable infrastructure rather than imported resources.

They are hardly a "pretender" trying to match the 1950s American consumer lifestyle - in raw thermodynamic and material terms, they have already built a structural behemoth that is twice the size of the US at its peak.

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Stocks and flows Colin.....you may (seek, and succeed, temporarily to ) increase flows, but if you do the stocks decline even faster.

China may increase their flow of resources (by whatever means) but they cannot increase the stock....ipso facto they can never be in the position of the US in terms of future output....and nor can anyone else. The US was the hegemon in the period when the last half was started.

We use it fast or slow, but we use it.

Most things are not that complicated but there is an industry that benefits from seeking to make it so...I believe its called the banking/finance sector...and they have minions.

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Sun Tzu (544-496BC):

  • "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
  • "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
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That is precisely what the BRICS+/SCO alliance is up to, KKN.

They just live in hope that America wakes up to what Admin#47 is sleepwalking Main Street into, before half of the Northern Hemisphere gets turned into a smoking pile of molten glass. 

The fact that there are still a few commenters on this site who refuse to accept who the real enemy is, and also which are the only countries that can put a stop to this reign of terror, is a testament as to why humanity remains in this acutely vulnerable position.    

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The US  and Trump in particular lives on threats . So fail at the first and easiest.

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Exactly, Redcows - its a big fat fail on #1, and so the prospect of them meeting all 6, doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. 

The US will have to fall financially, before they back off on their forever-wars and hegemonic financial/military hold on humanity.

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"US fuel prices have risen sharply too with diesel now almost averaging US$6/bal, petrol up at US$4.27/gal. These are both quite big rises just from yesterday."

The US Greta Thunberg is doing great work reducing emissions. Go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend (Natalie Harp?) and chill  Donny, your work needs celebrating.  I understand "Musk" is a real banger. 

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