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Budget 2012 to be zero, or very close to zero budget, as govt tries to reach 2014/15 surplus, PM Key says

Budget 2012 to be zero, or very close to zero budget, as govt tries to reach 2014/15 surplus, PM Key says

Budget 2012 is likely to include very little new spending, if any at all, Prime Minister John Key says.

Speaking to media at his post-Cabinet press conference on Monday afternoon, Key said reaching the government's target of hitting a surplus in the 2014/15 year had been getting harder to reach.

“That’s a result in the weakness in the global economy, and, for example, some increasing earthquake costs," Key said.

"But we are making decisions to ensure we get back to surplus by our target date of 2014/15. It’s important to meet that target because every year we’re in deficit, we have to borrow more to fund that,” he said.

“Our overall fiscal position means, as I said on Q&A [Sunday] morning, that we’re likely to have another zero budget this year or very close to it.

“What that means is our new spending over the next four years in priority areas like health and education, will largely be offset by savings in lower priority areas and tightening up tax loopholes and tax avoidance,” he said.

Changes tune

Key initially made his zero budget comments on on TV One's Q&A programme on Sunday. On Monday morning, Key defended the government's economic policies, including the 2010 'tax switch' and use of its balance sheet to aid the economy through the recession.

He said the need for such a tight Budget 2012 was the government's desire to reach surplus in the 2014/15 year. Budget 2012 will be released on May 24. The government had been planning to only increase its operating allowance in the upcomming budget by NZ$800 million, following a 'zero Budget' in 2011.

As recently as February 13, Key had said the government was committed to that NZ$800 million of new operating spending in Budget 2012, with the increase delivering for inflation and population adjustments in Health and Education spending.

That was after Key had said Treasury was to revise down its forecast 2014/15 surplus from NZ$1.45 billion to somewhere in the NZ$300-500 million range. Treasury announced on February 16 that it expected a NZ$370 million surplus in 2014/15, as it revised down its near-term growth forecasts due to weaker-than-expected trading partner growth, and a delayed start to rebuilding activity in Christchurch.

The latest set of government accounts, for the seven months to January 31, showed core Crown tax revenue collected so far in the 2011/12 year was 3% below what Treasury had forecast in its October 2011 pre-election update. There were risks revenue collected in the 2011/12 year would be lower than expected in the February 2012 Budget Policy Statement, Treasury said on March 6.

'It could be another zero budget'

"Last year’s budget was a zero budget. What I’d say to NZers tonight is that there is every probability that this year’s budget in 2012 will either be zero or very close to a zero budget, and that’s because the government’s absolutely committed to going back into surplus by 2014/2015," Key said on Q&A on Sunday.

"That’s my expectation. It’ll be either a zero budget or very close to zero. What that means is we will spend more money in health and education, but all other ministries will be expected to save money. Why are we doing that? Well, because we need to get NZ back into surplus so we’re not racking up more debts and more defecit so that future generations aren’t continuing to pay for debts that we would be racking up today," he said.

"So in the four years [we have been in government] we will have delivered budgets, we will have spent about NZ$2 billion worth of new money over that four-year period, effectively, of new expenditure through the budget process."

Defends tax cuts

Meanwhile, speaking on TV One’s Breakfast programme on Monday morning, Key defended the tax cuts made in the 2010 Budget, having been asked whether they were in fact neutral.

“They literally were neutral,” Key said.

“Corporate tax is always the most volatile. It’s strong when the economy’s strong. It’s a lagging indicator. You ultimately get that revenue after things have happened, and now things are starting to pick up again – it takes a while for it to come through because of the provisional nature of tax," he said.

"But if you look at the switch we made, charging people more in terms of GST, and ultimately in property taxes and other loopholes, vies-a-vie the personal tax cuts, they’re neutral. We’re satisfied with those.”

The incentives generated by the 2010 tax changes were working.

“For a start off, one of the things that you’re trying to do, is lift the national savings rate. When you lift consumption taxes, and lower personal taxes, you encourage people to save. That’s definitely happening – we’ve got a positive savings rate in New Zealand now," Key said.

“Secondly, you have the right incentives for people to get ahead, to work, to go and earn an extra dollar. That’s also happening. The economy is growing. It’s grown ten out of the last eleven quarters. Department of Labour came out the week before last and said they anticipate 100,000 jobs created over the next two years. So we’ve got a growing economy," he said.

“It’s not easy. Everywhere in the world it’s challenging at the moment. But I think, for the most part, we’re doing better than most countries.”

See Bernard Hickey's Sunday piece, Are we saving too much to be able to afford those recent tax cuts? Bernard Hickey says we now have our tax settings seriously out of whack.

‘We’ve used debt to cushion the blow’

Key said New Zealand’s debt levels had risen under his government due to the costs associated with the Christchurch earthquake, and as the government “unashamedly,” used its balance sheet to aid the economy through the recession.

“If we hadn’t done that, then unemployment would have risen much more severely, or we would have had to cut entitlements and benefits. We didn’t do that," Key said.

"But now the economy’s stronger, we’ve...just got to be focussed on getting on top of debt and the deficit,” he said.

Getting worse?

On February 13, 2012, after foreshaddowing a lower-than-expected 2014/15 surplus of NZ$370 million, down from NZ$1.45 billion in the October 2011 pre election fiscal update, Key said the government was committed to increasing its operating allowance in 2012 by the NZ$800 million earmarked in the previous budget. Treasury also forecast a spending increase of NZ$800 million in Budget 2013.

Operating spending increases would then rise to NZ$1.2 billion in subsequent budgets.  

“It could be lower if we really saw a catastrophic meltdown in Europe, but at the moment that seems to have stabilised a little bit in the last week or so,” Key said on February 13.

The only sectors of government to receive more money would be Health and Education, and only then to cater for inflation and population adjustments.

"So it’s going to be tight for both of those big spending ministries, let alone anybody else," Key said on February 13.

"That shows you why the government needs to save money. If we’re going to pay for the general wage rounds that we get, and the other cost pressures, then we’re going to need to find savings in other places," he said.

See Key's comments in the video below:

And that's just operating allowances

Any new capital spending in the next five years, such as that on schools or hospitals, will be paid for from money raised from the NZ$5-7 billion partial sell-downs of four state-owned energy companies, and the government's three-quarter stake in Air New Zealand.

The government has already allocated NZ$1.48 billion of the expected revenue from its 'mixed-ownership model' partial floats, with NZ$1 billion to be spent on upgrading schools, NZ$400 million to be invested in irrigation schemes, and NZ$80 million spent on a technology centre in Auckland.

The 49% sell-downs of Mighty River Power, Genesis Energy, Meridian Energy, and Solid Energy, will begin in the third quarter this year with Mighty River Power the first cab off the rank.

What's happened?

The latest set of government accounts, for the seven months to January 31, showed core Crown tax revenue of NZ$31.4 billion was 2.9%, or NZ$946 million, less than forecast in October's pre-election fiscal update.

When releasing those figures on March 6, Treasury said there was a risk that revenues for the full 2011/12 year would be lower than forecast in the February 2012 Budget Policy Statement, which was released on February 16.

The Budget Policy Statement forecast lower near-term growth due to weaker-than-expected trading partner growth, and a delayed start to the Christchurch rebuild. Since the BPS came out, Statistics New Zealand noted the economy expanded 0.3% in the December quarter, which was half of what was expected by the market.

The government accounts for the eight months to February 29 are set to be released at 10am this Wednesday.

See Finance Minister Bill English's reaction to those figures in the video below:

(Updates to include 2013 as having an NZ$800 million operating allowance increase, as well as Budget 2012.)

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Jonny boy - former FX trader - Key said a lot, says a lot, but he’s “wave and smile promises” are going to pieces. I think even NP party members are now realizing he’s is not a great leader of the nation – he does not understand the mechanism of economics and society. There is agitation - changes are coming within the NP.

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he’s is not a great leader of the nation – he does not understand the mechanism of economics and society

 

As this statement of his illustrates:

 

Why are we doing that? Well, because we need to get NZ back into surplus so we’re not racking up more debts and more defecit so that future generations aren’t continuing to pay for debts that we would be racking up today," he said.

 

Key doesn't seem to realise that it is the current account deficit that shows NZ is getting poorer. His narrow focus on government surplus to the detriment of the current account proves how shallow is his, and Treasury's, understanding.

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Key also has a logic deficit to work on:

 

Department of Labour came out the week before last and said they anticipate 100,000 jobs created over the next two years. So we’ve got a growing economy," he said.

 

We have a growing economy because the Department of Labour anticipate - subject to a caveat and based on Treasury forecasts of GDP growth - jobs to be created by a growing economy?

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I really can't understand you guys (or BH for that matter), What do you expect Key to do? after all its well accepted that governments don't produce anything. Bernard parrots spending bad/saving good and now that our national savings rates up he comes out with tax good/borrowing bad as though the complexity of global economics can be encapsulated in a 4 word sound bite. I'm sure if taxes went up and GDP tanked he'd come up with some other duality that would solve the worlds problems

It will take years.decades to unwind the bloated government and  entitlement complexes that Helen & Michael put in place, at the same time Key has to get relected hence his "don't frighten the horses" approach.

My major issue with them (an it applies to all governments AFAICS) is that they are pinning their hopes on a return to "growth" which I don't see happening and the risk to us as NZ'ers is that if that fails they will open the immigration floodgates to keep the inmates happy

Neven

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at the same time Key has to get relected hence his "don't frighten the horses" approach.

 

I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

 

Is Key's role as prime minister to govern the country, or to get himself re-elected?

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Thats easy...aka HC and Cullen.....get re-elected...

regards

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Colin, difficult to govern if you are not elected

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Once elected you have three years. I admit it would be better if the parliamentary term was longer, but three years is long enough if you know what you want to achieve and you are not concentrating on being re-elected.

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Their is an answer to the problem of politicians pandering to voters...it's called "plural voting" first proposed by John Stuart Mill....plural voting means that the more rational you are at making decisions = the more powerful your vote is....for example, a supreme court judge may get five votes, compared to an 18 year who smokes dope all day may get one vote...a test will assess one's rational thinking skills....the result will be less dumb policies like interest free student loans etc...problem solved.

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My favourite quote in this piece:

"If your loan is $50,000, and it's estimated it will take you eight years to pay it off, we effectively turn it into a loan that is about $90,000 with interest that takes you about 15 years to repay," Key said.  "That is about the only thing that will get [young people] out of bed before 7 o'clock at night to vote, but it's not politically sustainable to put interest back on student loans. It may not be great economics, but it's great politics.  It's a bit of a tragedy because it sends the wrong message to young people, it tells them to go out and borrow debt."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/6565441/Student-loans-to-remain-interest-free

Populist leaders... who needs em!

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But if there are no jobs being generated, why do we need more jobless via immigration?

To me we should be just about shutting down immigration at present and asking how do we get kiwi's into the jobs that I assume an immigrant will take....is it lack of skills?  Ive seen some very good immigrants but Ive seen many useless ones......and hello we dont need any more corner dairies or chinese takeaway chefs and we certianly dont need more political/economic refugees sitting on WINZ....time to get real IMHO.

regards

 

 

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Expect Key to do? I expect him to lead...I expect him to have real policy and not voodoo economics kneeling at the alter of growth that is now hollow and obsolete. I expect him to act in the best Interest of NZ....I expect him to have vision to look forward and set a course that see's the best outcome for NZ....

Instead we have a smiling nincompoop.....all I can say is no one else looks much better.

:/

NB, The Govn produces healthcare at half the cost of private care.....education is half the cost of private....this should tell you the Govn can do somethings better.

regards

 

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Steven, you don't 'produce' healthcare or education, you provide it and I'm not certainly not surprised at the 50% discount the government can do given the lack of a profit motive and economy of scale, in fact it should be better

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economy of scale? not fact really....you might want that but I'd like to see you justify it. For isnatnce how come such economy of scale isnt reflected in the US system? Or how about looking at a similar system, say the UK.....a similar % of GDP.

regards

 

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I would be content if Key just stopped the continuous stream of BS.

 

It wouldn't do the National Party's fortunes any harm either.

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So what else is he going to say? something actually concrete? Sorry we are shagged and the top rate of tax has to go up 20%? or the retirement age of ppl under 50 is 66 and 40 is now 67? 

fat chance...

regards

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I recall a saying along the lines of:

 

It is better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all possible doubt.

 

Why do we want/need a PM constantly in the media spinning?

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So what if it would take decades to unwind the entitlements, gotta start somewhere right?  I don't see any growth comming either, certainly not at a level that would be required to actually reduce debt.  These guys don't think that far ahead in any case.  Ever heard of govt 30 year plan?  10 year plan?  I havn't, just empty three year promises and prolifigerate spending/redistribution just prior to elections.  None of the debt will ever be repaid, and why should it be, who borrowed it?  Nobody.

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Have updated with previous comments made about Budget 2012 spending, and tax revenue figures for the current year.

Cheers

Alex

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I wonder if the exponentially increasing interest costs have anything to do with it?  Zero budgets are not the same as a balanced budget.  2014 is comming pretty quickly, and the election promise of a surplus by then, will be another in a very long list of broken promises.

 

People don't trust the govt because they lie.

 

A zero budget does not mean that spending will not increase, spending will be up, I guarantee it.  Thats before they splash out on a new fleet of cars, and vote themselves another unearned and totally out of touch payrise.

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Where does one apportion blame?

The Nats shouldn't have cut income tax rates.

But then again, Labour shouldn't have introduced WFF and interest free student loans.

Overspending on middle class welfare, AND tax cutting, has got NZ into this position.

Then again, if housing prices / rents hadn't boomed, then there probably wouldn't have been a "need" for WFF.  So who do you apportion blame to there?

The Nats in the mid / late 90s didn't do anything about housing / planning. Then Labour just carried that on. Bank lending liberalisation was clearly a factor too.

The Nats are as obsessed with surplus as Gillards' labour govt are. Are the benefits worth the costs?

Presumably from Key's comments there will be no new committment on roading and other big infrastructure projects. Thats going to mean engineering companies and contractors are going to continue to struggle.

In an environment where private development is still sluggish, can the NZ economy afford this?    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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MIA - You know very well I think, that to blame the governments , is to be looking in the wrong direction of where responsibility lies. They are nothing more than puppets there to give the sheep the illusion of demoracy

No government can or will save NZ, its simply not going to happen!

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Matt - Ricardo has a point - votes should be apportioned according to the ability to think.

 

You're as good as saying that growth is needed forever. Or is that just for the next wee while?

 

Anyone who thinks you can have growth forever, should get zero votes.

 

Bring it on.....

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Look no further than the rubbish advice from Treasury.  There has been a retrospective admission by Treasury that it underestimated the bubble/structural surplus in 2006-7 so advised government that it was okay to spend.

And still rubbish about the last lot of tax being fiscally neutral, except it wasn't so if you looked at the underlying reports.

But i am not sure that the balance the books regardless in 2013-2014 is a treasury ideological delusion or just a John Key one.

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Have updated with video of Key explaining the gist from Post-cab on Monday afternoon.

Cheers

Alex

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NZ HERALD ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL

Bouquet to Interest's band of capable young men and women for running this story.

Brickbat to the Herald for its online lack of coverage, and its continued focus on trivia.

The Nats are the "Do nothing Government" and that is reinforced by talk of a "Zero Budget"

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Surely a do nothing isnt that bad.....JK and indeed any other party is in a straight jacket...no one wants more PAYE tax and that's the rump of Govn income....JK's are tighter of course....at least Labour is going to do a CGT.....which will then flush out tax.....cant be bad, bring it on.

regards

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If they are so committed to a balanced budget, & the removal of any unnecessary spending to ensure that, did they just increase Working For Families by 5%????

 

D'ooohhh!

 

 

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I assume that's from last year....but yes it should be frozen IMHO....

regards

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It's only just happened, so most of the impact will presumably fall on the next budget period.

 

Double d'ooohhh

 

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yep...well in the next 2 years some hard choices should be made, but JK isnt the person to make them....trouble is I dont see anyone out there who could make them and then stay in power to make the next ones...

regards....

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Like all, western governments, it is all about being re elected, that is what drives 80% of all decisions. 80/20 rule applies. As time goes on both main parties are becoming more centre driven, hence don't scare the horses, just focus on getting re elected, result, genuine good governance is put to one side. What a shame, New Zealand could do much better! ( as my teacher used to say)

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Dead right, Realtor in France!! The Key government has been no better that the Clark government - do what you can to get re-elected. But what is in that for Key? He does not need the job, he could have made unpopular decisions that were good for the economy, saying, I'm going to do the right thing and if I go down it will be for the right reasons. Instead he's tired to remain popular, got the country into a huge debt hole that will take decades to get out of, history will not look on him kindly. He could have made himself unpopular and been be short lived, but history would have had him going done trying to make a difference.

The lesson is not to rely on the government in growing your wealth, stick to global trends and hard assets brought cheap! http://j.mp/zU2zMG

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To start with the huge debt hole was exas[erated  in 2005 when Brash tried to bribe the voter and Cullen extended the WFF to counter.  So if you want to look at a single inflection point Brash's policy looks pretty significant.  then look at JK's tax cuts, they are regressive and didnt balance the books...he thought they would, but then he's following voodoo economics....he doesnt have a clue why we are not growing at 6% because his dodgy economics mantra says so.....and he's in "charge"...

You can also define "good for the economy" most ppl who come out with that line tend to be on the extreme of the right (and probably the left but who listens to them)....which practices voodoo economics......

Wealth is the conversion of raw materials using cheap energy, we are now at the limits of cheap energy.  Cheap assets are long gone IMHO.  The insanely low interest rates put out by Greenspan to try and stop the developed economies collapsing have overflowed into everything.....lots of cheap cash invested for a quick return..one huge ponzi scheme and when someone pulls the plug and they will that money will exit fast.

What we are looking at is a depression and hard assets are illiquid.....in such a scenario cash has been king...

regards

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then look at JK's tax cuts, they are regressive and didnt balance the books...he thought they would, but then he's following voodoo economics....he doesnt have a clue why we are not growing at 6% because his dodgy economics mantra says so.....

well put. Yes it was the old "trickle down" mantra, cut taxes therefore the wealthy will invest more in productive capital investment, and we'll get runaway economic growth. Bollocks, really. All that happens, in the main, is that the wealthy have more holidays, or buy flasher houses or cars.

So with the prospects of a zero budget, government driven growth will fight it out with private development growth for the basement

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This year's budget will be more interesting than most. I imagine the nats will come up with a budget that shows them being in surplus when they said they would . The job of Interest.co will be to pick through the entrails and see what assumptions have been made that do produce a forecast surplus.

Some of the changes made so far by this Government will only be effective in the next tax year from a cash perspective( changes to Kiwisaver, removal of depreciation claims on rental property etc) so they will be expecting some improvements even without making any other moves. .

The markets will then make a judgement as to how realistic they think the forecasts are.

It continues to surprise me that the Government has made no effort to collect GST on all those purchases Kiwis make from offshore online with credit cards. There must be 3 or 4 hundred million there already and growing at a rate of knots.

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