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Monday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: 'The money ran out in June'; Belgium about to nationalise Dexia; Occupy Wall St gathers momentum; Thinking the unthinkable on money printing; Dilbert

Monday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: 'The money ran out in June'; Belgium about to nationalise Dexia; Occupy Wall St gathers momentum; Thinking the unthinkable on money printing; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 1 pm in association with NZ Mint.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream.See all previous Top 10s here.

There is absolutely no mention of Dan Carter's groin in the links below.

1. Buckle up - Britain's Sunday Times reports Belgium is on the brink of nationalising its largest bank Dexia, which has assets worth 180% of Belgium's entire GDP, Zerohedge points out.

How does that work?

How can a bank possibly have almost twice as many assets than the GDP of its country?

It turned out to be pretty easy in a single currency zone with obscene levels of leverage.

No wonder the Europeans want to impose a Tobin Tax to chase them all away.

I'm sympathetic. What good do these highly leveraged investment banking, wholesale trading banks actually do?

2. Global credit crunch imminent - The Telegraph's banking correspondent Harry Wilson reports the global financial system is on the edge of a new credit crunch as the cost of insuring the bonds of banks across the world hits new highs. He mentions Australia.

The final quote is a tad concerning.

Credit default swaps on lenders as far afield as China and Australia, countries that until recently seemed immune to the chaos, have doubled in the last two months to levels not seen since the financial crisis.

In Europe, French and Belgian government officials are due to meet on Monday to discuss the crisis enveloping Dexia as speculation mounts about a possible break-up of the Franco-Belgian lender.

"The money ran out in June and what you are seeing now is the beginning of a new credit crunch, except this time it will be truly global, not Western," said one senior London-based credit analyst.

3. 'We won, you lost, and it's not fair' - Warren Buffett's idea of taxing the rich more has set off a real debate in America.

Here's his latest comment, which makes some excellent points about 'class warfare' and how the rich won the war. The tone of the questions in the video below is interesting to show how the debate has formed. HT Greg Sargent at WaPo.

QUESTIONER: Are you happy seeing your suggestion, this new Buffett Rule, becoming more of a basis of a political battle that really has turned into class warfare?

BUFFETT: Actually, there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won. We’re the ones that have gotten our tax rates reduced dramatically. If you look at the 400 highest taxpayers in the United States in 1992, the first year for figures, they averaged about $40 million of [income] per person. In the most recent year, they were $227 million per person — five for one. During that period, their taxes went down from 29 percent to 21 percent of income. So, if there’s class warfare, the rich class has won.

4. Why #occupywallst  is getting a run on - The local media have finally woken up to the #OccupyWallSt sit down protests in New York that seem to be spreading.

Here's Epicurean Dealmaker, an investment banking blogger with his cultured take on it, and a picture below from a protester answering the question: So what do you want then?

As long as we can believe that we have a chance, too—that luck has a chance to find us and reward our own faith and effort—Americans will pull contentedly at the grindstone while simultaneously ooh-ing and ah-ing over the social and financial success of our betters. But central to this implicit social contract is the idea of fairness: that the deck is not stacked against the little guy, and that he or she has just as much chance of becoming the next Warren Buffett, or Lloyd Blankfein, or Barack Obama as the next guy. It is not a belief in fairness of outcome, but rather one of fairness of opportunity. There is nothing that raises the cultural hackles of most Americans more than learning that the game is rigged, and that the guys at the top are gaming the system in their own favor.

Now, cynics (and Europeans) might laugh at such naïvete. Of course, they say, the game is rigged; of course the guys at the top skim more than their share of the cream and leave the dregs for the hoi polloi. What's new about that? But Americans understand that too, at least instinctually. That's why we have such a long history of suspicion and hostility against Big Business, and Big Government, and Big Anything. That's why, among other things, the Tea Party movement has gained such broad-based traction in this country: it is the natural outpouring of frustration and suspicion grounded in the most basic American myths and beliefs about ourselves. We may acknowledge that is the way the human cookie crumbles in any society with unequal distribution of wealth and privilege, but we do not accept it, at a very fundamental level, as the way things should be.

That is one big reason why the ongoing scandals rocking the financial sector are creating such outrage and upset among the American polity. Citizens are discovering that a very large percentage of people whom they used to admire and envy for mouth-watering financial success earned a large portion of that success by cheating, by gaming the system, and by rigging the rules in their favor. What seems to outrage many Americans even more is that these very financiers do not seem to recognize that they have violated the implicit social norms almost everybody else seems to accept. They hide behind a defense of arrogance, superciliousness, and moral obliviousness which makes most Americans' teeth grind in frustration.

This is a dangerous situation for the plutocracy. For, when you get right down to it, most Americans are not really interested in supporting a system that is designed to preserve the wealth and privileges of those who have already made it to the top. Instead, they want one that will give as many people as possible a reasonably fair shot at reaching the top themselves. That is a distinction which seems to elude many of the wealthy and powerful. They misperceive the struggle as one of capitalism versus socialism, when what it really is is a struggle for the heart and soul of capitalism in this country. On one side is a new aristocracy of money, entrenched interests, and cronyism, and on the other is an ethos of equal opportunity for all.

5. Targeting the Fed - Washington's Blog points out the protesters in New York and Boston are also targeting the US Federal Reserve as well. You can tell they're really grumpy Americans because they have superimposed Bernanke's head with Bin Laden. Photoshop can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands.

6. 'There may only be painful ways out of the crisis' - Zerohedge points to a Boston Consulting Group paper on the latest crisis that has some uncomfortable conclusions.

That institutions as conservative and mainstream as this (BCG) are saying this is a worry. It even talks about some sort of biblical style debt jubilee.

We believe that some politicians and central banks - in spite of protestations to the contrary - have been trying to solve the crisis by creating sizable inflation, largely because the alternatives are either not attractive or not feasible:

  • Austerity - essentially saving and paying back - is probably a recipe for a long, deep recession and social unrest
  • Higher growth is unachievable because of unfavorable demographic change and an inherent lack of competitiveness in some countries
  • Debt restructuring is out of reach because the banking sectors are not strong enough to absorb losses
  • Financial repression (holding interest rates below nominal GDP growth for many years) would be difficult to implement in a low-growth and low-inflation environment

Inflation will be the preferred option - in spite of the potential for social unrest and the difficult consequences for middle-class savers should it really take hold. However, boosting inflation has not worked so far because of the pressure to deleverage and because of the low demand for new credit. Moreover the inflation "solution" while becoming more tempting, may come to be seen as having economic and social implications that are too unpalatable. So what might the politicians and central banks do?

It is likely that wiping out the debt overhang will be at the heart of any solution. Such a course of action would not be new. In ancient Mesopotamia, debt was commonplace; individual debts were recorded on clay tablets. Periodically, upon the ascendancy of a new monarch, debts would be forgiven: in other news, the slate would be wiped clean. The challenge facing today's politicians is how clean to wipe the slates. In considering some of the potential measures likely to be required, the reader may be struck by the essential problem facing politicians: there may be only painful ways out of the crisis.

7. 'It's time to think the unthinkable' - Esteemed and closely watched commentator Martin Wolf writes in the FT.com (gated) that it's now time to fire up the printing presses.

It is the policy that dare not speak its name: the printing press. The time has come to employ this nuclear option on a grand scale. The alternative is likely to be a lost decade.

The waste is more than unnecessary; it is cruel. Sadists seem to revel in that cruelty. Sane people should reject it. It is wrong, intellectually and morally.

8. More debt to solve a debt problem - Satyajit Das writes at FT.com that the latest European plan being considered to solve its Sovereign Debt problem is actually a vehicle that looks a lot like the toxic bonds that blew up in America in 2008...

The EFSF must borrow money from the markets, relying on its own CDO-like structure, backed by a cash first loss cushion and guarantees from eurozone countries. In fact, some investors actually value and analyse EFSF bonds as a type of highly rated CDO security known as a super senior tranche. This means that the arrangement outlined above would have features of a CDO of a CDO (CDO²), a highly leveraged security which proved toxic in 2007-08.

The ECB, the provider of protected debt, has capital of about €5bn, supporting about €140bn in bonds issued by beleaguered eurozone nations, purchased as part of market operations to reduce their borrowing costs. The ECB has also lent substantial sums (market estimates suggest more than €400bn) to European banks without access to money markets at acceptable cost, secured over similar bonds. While the eurozone central banking system has capital of about €80bn that could be available to support the ECB’s operations, this adds to the incremental leverage under such a plan.

9. The problems in Wenzhou - The New York Times has written a detailed piece here on the problems many Chinese businesses are now finding getting credit after the central government crackdown on easy money. Initially they went to loan sharks, but now the money is running out.

More than two-dozen small, private businesses in the eastern city known for its entrepreneurial success have gone belly up in recent days because they couldn't repay maturing bank loans, according to state media reports. Wenzhou officials on Thursday urged banks to limit lending rates and make more funds available to small businesses amid worries about a credit crunch.

The reports have added to downward pressure in China's stock and currency markets because Wenzhou was one of the first places to boom when China began to embrace private enterprise three decades ago and is considered the cradle of private-business ownership.

"Numerous reports of debt distress in Wenzhou have contributed to the latest iteration of China hard-landing anxiety," said Tim Condon, Singapore-based chief Asia economist with ING Groep NV. "The fear is that Wenzhou is the tip of an iceberg."

10. Totally a slient movie version of Star Wars.

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More here from Bloomberg on how nervous everyone is getting up North about "“cascading default, bank runs and catastrophic risk”, as the US Treasury Secretary said.

Here's Bloomberg.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-02/new-york-fed-may-demand-liquidity-reports-from-european-banks.html

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York may ask foreign lenders for more detailed daily reports on liquidity as the U.S. steps up monitoring of risks from Europe’s sovereign debt crisis, according to two people with knowledge of the matter.

Regulators held informal talks with some of the largest European lenders about producing a “fourth-generation daily liquidity” or 4G report, according to the people, who asked for anonymity because communications with central bankers are confidential. The reports may cover potential liabilities such as foreign-exchange swaps and credit-default swaps, said one person. The U.S. has already increased the number of examiners embedded in these banks, the person said.

Concern is growing that European lenders may falter as Greece teeters on the brink of default. U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner has warned that failure to bolster European backstops would threaten “cascading default, bank runs and catastrophic risk” for the global economy.

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 "We believe that some politicians and central banks - in spite of protestations to the contrary - have been trying to solve the crisis by creating sizable inflation, largely because the alternatives are either not attractive or not feasible"

Wouldn't happen here...would it?

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Joke of the day:

Chuck Norris thinks 'credit crunch' is a breakfast cereal.

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If Chuck Norris poke you on facebook your gonna feel it....

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If his pornography is as bad as his regular acting I'd not bother to get on Facebook , even for free , to see Chuck Norris poke anyone .

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Forget the Tobin tax BS....the solution is a sux tax....or as the aussies would say...a seeks tax....

All the morons pretending to govern have to work out is how to screw the money from the users.

I aint figured it out either...but oh boy there would be a bonanza flood of lolly to be had.

How about taxing the hell out of parents on each sprog...that would encourage greater use of sprogprevention...and open the door to a fat gst increase on sprogpreventions.

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This by Charles Crawford, I posted it yesterday but with all the printing talk thought id re run it.

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President Wulff helpfully reminds us of the moral dimension of money, something usually overlooked. 

What is money, after all, but an expression of moral value, above all an expression of confidence about trust and integrity? Not merely now, but based on hard-won reputation for reliability in preceding generations, and echoing down the decades still to come 

Who wants to be paid in North Korean or Zimbabwean or Cuban currency? No-one. 

Why? Because that currency is an expression of cruelty, inefficiency, waste and stupidity. It is literally worthless for most practical purposes.

"Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. 

Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor -- your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. 

Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money."

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Thanks Andrew, is there a link to the page?

Cheers, Kiwidave

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re #4

I'd still like to know what a "fair share" is.

$40mill x 29% = $11.6Mill in tax    x 400 = $4,640mill collected by the IRS.

$221mil x 21% = $46.41mill in tax    x 400 = $18,564 mill collected by the IRS.

Why does a "fair share" have to be a percentage amount, when the actual dollar differences can be stagering!!!

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re. because this is a way to avoid revolutions and wars.....works like insurance - have more pay more....

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Man oh man the HSI (Hang Seng Index) in is dropping like a rock - down nearly 4% today, down 4% on Friday, down 15% in just over 2 weeks and down 32% from its 52 week high. Meanwhile the Shanghai index is down 26% from its 52 week highs.

Can someone please ask the Johnkey - if China is going to save us how the feck is that going to happen when the major Chinese indices are telling us China is tottering?

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In HK the share market and property prices are linked. Look out below!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^HSI+Basic+Chart&t=1y

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Duck Peking, !  beware the falling dim.. sim ..not crush fortune cookie should you foo yong...! 

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with a weight of won ton.

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For the record here's Bloomberg saying the latest Chinese PMI numbers suggest a soft rather than hard landing

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/china-manufacturing-gain-negat…

Signs of stability in China’s manufacturing industry in September may ease concern the world’s second-largest economy will suffer a slump in economic expansion that escalates the risk of another global recession.

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Matt Taibbi on the evolution of the Occupy Wall Street protest HT Andrewj in 90 at 9

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/matt-taibbi-on-the-evolution-…

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Oh I think it will grow Bernard.....just colledge kids out testing the bash at the mo....only looking for the few with a liitle more time on their hands than they used to have....and now being fresh out of Bin Laden's....all that pent up frustration gotta go somewhere...just tic tock tic tock..won't be long.

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Correct. Last night an authority on these matters stated that, world-wide, the "political-elite" have lost the will to control the "financial-elite".

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 After www.interest.co.nz  make  https://occupywallst.org/ your favourite page.

The necessary, international movement everyone is talking about even 63 - 70 years old – like me.

 Deprivation of power of governments and no corrupt and greedy, particularly banksters – otherwise the world will never recover again, simply because among the powerful in societies ethic and moral requirements and standards don’t prevail.

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Cute - the occupywallstreet.org contact;

this site was brought to you by various radicals

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 Yes, Kate do we not have enough from mendacity spreading  - radical unethical and unmoral world of governments/ financial   institutions - ruining societies ?

 

Matt Taibbi: A whistle blower says the agency SEC has illegally destroyed thousands of documents, letting financial crooks off the hook

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-s…

 

Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-…

 

Do you not understand people, “Wall –Street crooks” declared war on societies many years ago.

I’m sleepy.

 

 

 

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The elite use tactics, Be subtle - even to the point of soundlessness, Be mysterious - even to the point of formlessness (Sun Tszu).  The masses have numbers, they have prevailed in the past.  Yet we still end up with the same stupid system.

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 "U.K. house prices fell for a fifth month in September and the pace of the decline may accelerate in the coming months, property researcher Hometrack Ltd. said"

 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/u-k-house-prices-fall-as-hometrack-forecasts-faster-declines.html

safe as houses!

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You can tell things are geiing nasty in the UK when Tesco, the behemoth of the UK high street has to announce that even its sales have started to fall:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/02/tesco-supermarkets

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"...New property listings rose .... double the pace of demand growth..( from that article, Wolly)." Now where have I seen that before? That's right..here on Alastair Helms notes on the New Zealand property market in September.....

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#6 ... "Periodically, upon the ascendancy of a new monarch, debts would be forgiven: in other news, the slate would be wiped clean. The challenge facing today's politicians is how clean to wipe the slates."

That's kind of obvious isn't it?  large corporations as well as out of control governments (eg. Greece, USA) will have their debt absolved whereas the little guy and those governments who are in better shape (eg. Germany) will get to retain their debt.

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Great Bell, Ta. 

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Hey Bernard...I think you should read this whole comment...

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8802462/Protectionism-beckons-as-leaders-push-world-into-Depression.html

Is the NZ govts effort to do free trade deals out of whack with the way the real politic is moving!

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Wolly - yes it is. Did you hear McCully this morning? He who championed 'economic development aid' for the Pacific.

They're short of water.

So we hasten to send desalinators. Oil driven. Presumably, the hope is that somehow the rains will come, we'll get back to 'normal' (reminds one of the median multiple sermon) and then get on with 'economic development'.

As for 'free trade - I pointed out before that the Australia / US one runs to 1400 pages. A long, lomg list of exemptions, is that. You can have a free trade deal in one sentence.

Protectionism will be the name of the game from here on in, as I pointed out to Labour about 20 years ago. On a sinking ship, folk turn to self-preservation.

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The Pacific nations will evolve into open wounds that need endless money. The problem is a mix of religion, ignorance, shoddy politics pretending to be democracy and a serious lack of population planning.....and one bloody huge factor....stupid foreign govts giving them money. They have bugger all incentive to change anything.

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Endless money isn't the problem (why do folk persist in thinking money can do everything?)

Endless energy (that's what desalination requires) is what will be needed. Not surprising, that's what life needs too.

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From the very top of the species to the bottom PDK it's always been Monkey see Monkey do for both better and worse.....it is only the divergent Monkey that gives rise to a new thinking and redefines the rule ..Survival of the fittest.................and that's not all about physicality is it now.

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Should not come as any surprise Wolly ....I banged on about a return to protectionism  repeatedly here a year back.....despite  the headlines starting to appear all over the place now, I'd say it was pretty well signposted and a logical sequence of events.

So I'll be shocked if any dopey bast$%d in treasury tells us at some future point this is one of the shocks we are bracing for......in macro scenario should have made the top five .

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John Key...are you awake?....time you did something about this....

 "Thieves are targeting tourists' campervans parked on residential streets while the owners go to watch Rugby World Cup games".herald

OK so you aint no copper but you can double the punnishments for any offences against tourists....or is that one for the 'too hard basket'

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He did Wolly......he just told us at least their not getting murdered...and if raped their not reporting it........so (according  to John Boy).............didn't we do well then..!

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