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Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: What's similar between the 1930s Depression and now; 'Tax cuts enrich the rich and fail to boost growth'; Europe's German takeover; Dilbert

Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: What's similar between the 1930s Depression and now; 'Tax cuts enrich the rich and fail to boost growth'; Europe's German takeover; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 1.30 pm in association with NZ Mint.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email tobernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.

#7 is today's must read from Joseph Stiglitz.

1. London's bankers just like 1970s unionists - Renowned British economic blogger Greg Pytel ("Financial Crisis? It's a pyramid stupid) writes that David Cameron's decision to pull Britain out of the new EU treaty proposed by France and Germany may prove the death knell for the City of London financial centre in the same way that the onset of globalisation killed off Britain's manufacturing base in the 1970s.

He makes some excellent points about the direct and implied subsidies now given to the bankers in London.

He says Germany and France will now try to lock London out of Europe's financial markets, which is a big deal given London is Europe's main financial centre.

Frankfurt is champing at the bit to take that spot.

And the French will egg them on.

This could all backfire horribly for the British.

But Pytel wonders if the loss of the City is ultimately such a bad thing.

In the 1970's the British heavy industries refused to adopt to a changing world: first signs of globalisation. They put a pressure on the British government to subsidise them with taxpayers money and keep them going. As a result within a couple of decades the industry that had led the world into the 20th century was confined into history. The very same process is happening now. The City financiers demand state subsidies (i.e. bailout, quantitive easing, tax exemptions, etc) and want to carry on as before. They disregard the fact that the world is changing.

They look after their short term interest and it looks like that the financial industry that led the world to the 21st century will be history in the UK not before long. It is the same approach as militant trade unionists of the 1970's although they most likely were acting unwittingly and were not wise enough to understand that. However considering the current degenerated and pathological state of the financial industry in the UK, which appears to be beyond help, finishing it off, unlike the collapse of the manufacturing, may actually be the best option for the British future. Countries can be successful without overblown financial services: Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands or Germany.

Now it is clear they cannot be successful without healthy manufacturing.

2. Lowering top tax rates enriches the rich and doesn't increase economic growth - That's the conclusion in this piece at VoxEu from Economists Thomas Piketty , Emmanuel Saez and  Stefanie Stantcheva

There are two cracking charts with this, including data from New Zealand.

Figure 1 shows that there is indeed a strong correlation between the reductions in top tax rates and the increases in top 1% pre-tax income shares from 1975–79 to 2004–08 across 18 OECD countries for which top income share information is available. For example, the United States experienced a 35 percentage point reduction in its top income tax rate and a very large ten percentage point increase in its top 1% pre-tax income share. By contrast, France or Germany saw very little change in their top tax rates and their top 1% income shares during the same period. Hence, the evolution of top tax rates is a good predictor of changes in pre-tax income concentration.

Figure 2 shows that there is no correlation between cuts in top tax rates and average annual real GDP-per-capita growth since the 1970s. For example, countries that made large cuts in top tax rates such as the United Kingdom or the United States have not grown significantly faster than countries that did not, such as Germany or Denmark. Hence, a substantial fraction of the response of pre-tax top incomes to top tax rates documented in Figure 1 may be due to increased rent-seeking at the top rather than increased productive effort.

3. Yes it's another Downfall spoof - This one is on Hitler finding out about the the Standard and Poor's mass downgrade last week. Some funny moments.

4. Harikiri British style - Hugo Dixon writes at Reuters' Breaking Views about Britain's monumental mistake in opting out of the European grand plan.

None of this was remotely necessary. The euro zone countries weren’t trying to impose fiscal discipline on Britain, only on themselves. In fact they weren’t trying to impose anything on the UK. True, France has often seemed like it wanted to undermine the City of London’s position as a financial center. But until now, it has had zero success because the UK has always managed to assemble enough allies to support its position. In future, though, that can no longer be guaranteed.

France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy may find he has allies if he wants to push through regulations that disadvantage what he calls his “British friends”. The risk of an inner club acting as a caucus and imposing its wishes on the UK has increased significantly.

5. The Germans are in charge now - And they didn't even have to invade anyone. That's the conclusion of Ian Traynor at The Guardian in Brussels.

When the dust settles, Friday 9 December may be seen as a watershed, the beginning of the end for Britain in Europe. But more than that – the emergence for the first time of a cold new Europe in which Germany is the undisputed, pre-eminent power imposing a decade of austerity on the eurozone as the price for its propping up the currency.

The prospect is of a joyless union of penalties, punishments, disciplines and seething resentments, with the centrist elites who run the EU increasingly under siege from anti-EU populists on the right and left everywhere in Europe.

"For the first time in the history of the EU, the Germans are now in charge. But they are also more isolated than before," said Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform thinktank. "The British are certainly more marginal than before. Their influence has never been lower in my lifetime."

6. Decline of an empire - Renowned China watcher Andy Xie takes aim at America in this Caixin comment piece via MarketWatch. He hits the mark. HT Donald.

A rising empire rewards people who contribute to its growth and invest in its future. The empire’s decline begins when certain members of society are over-rewarded by means of privileges, and the empire’s money is wasted on outdated endeavors.

Today, America rewards the wrong people and spends disproportionately on projects of the past. Symptoms of the flawed incentive system in the U.S. economy include a massive fiscal budget deficit, high unemployment rate, crumbling infrastructure and a failing basic education system. International competition isn’t threatening the United States, but internal problems are. And unless the United States tackles its wrong-way incentive system and spending spree soon, its gradual decline will continue until it eventually joins the likes of Latin America.

Most of America’s well-to-do are corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, bankers and the like. Their rewards are tied to positions, not performance. Corporate managers are paid a lot more than average employees, even if they’re not worth it.

For example, one report said salaries for big U.S. company CEOs have jumped to 343 times the average pay for their own employees, up from 42 times in 1980. Of course, a CEO whose work generates a lot of value deserves a decent slice. But look at the stock market: Common shareholders have done terribly over the past decade. How can CEOs justify millions in take-home while shareholders — their bosses in theory — do so poorly. I’m sure the compensation consultants can come up with good excuses. But this has been going on for years.

7. Why saving the US economy will never fix the US economy - Nobel prize winning economy Joseph Stiglitz writes via VanityFair that the Depression of te 1930s was caused by an increase in productivity on farms. He sees something similar happening now with job losses in the shift from manufacturing to services.

He says monetary policy has failed and now governments must invest massively in new technology to create a new era of prosperity, as they did by accident during World War II.

This is today's must read. HT Troy via email.

The inability of the monetary expansion to counteract this current recession should forever lay to rest the idea that monetary policy was the prime culprit in the 1930s. The problem today, as it was then, is something else. The problem today is the so-called real economy. It’s a problem rooted in the kinds of jobs we have, the kind we need, and the kind we’re losing, and rooted as well in the kind of workers we want and the kind we don’t know what to do with. The real economy has been in a state of wrenching transition for decades, and its dislocations have never been squarely faced. A crisis of the real economy lies behind the Long Slump, just as it lay behind the Great Depression.

The parallels between the story of the origin of the Great Depression and that of our Long Slump are strong. Back then we were moving from agriculture to manufacturing. Today we are moving from manufacturing to a service economy. The decline in manufacturing jobs has been dramatic—from about a third of the workforce 60 years ago to less than a tenth of it today. The pace has quickened markedly during the past decade. There are two reasons for the decline.

One is greater productivity—the same dynamic that revolutionized agriculture and forced a majority of American farmers to look for work elsewhere. The other is globalization, which has sent millions of jobs overseas, to low-wage countries or those that have been investing more in infrastructure or technology. (As Greenwald has pointed out, most of the job loss in the 1990s was related to productivity increases, not to globalization.) Whatever the specific cause, the inevitable result is precisely the same as it was 80 years ago: a decline in income and jobs. The millions of jobless former factory workers once employed in cities such as Youngstown and Birmingham and Gary and Detroit are the modern-day equivalent of the Depression’s doomed farmers.

8. Value destruction - The Mirror reports on a New Economics Foundation study finding that British bankers cost the public 8.4 pounds for every pound they create. HT Troy via email.

A study by think-tank the New Economics Foundation found the average banker destroys ­£42million a year in value while creating just £5million.

Meanwhile hospital cleaners on £6.26 an hour are worth £10 for every £1 they cost because they prevent superbugs, saving the economy a fortune.

9. Wanna buy a government bond? - The OECD has forecast OECD governments will need to borrow US$10.5 trillion in 2012, having raised a similar amount in 2011.

The fourth OECD Sovereign Borrowing Outlook provides estimates for 2011 and projections for 2012. Higher than anticipated gross borrowing needs of OECD governments are expected to reach USD 10.4 trillion in 2011 and USD 10.5 trillion in 2012, including a strong increase in longer-term redemptions in 2012. Against this backdrop government debt ratios are expected to remain at high levels. Raising large volumes of funds at lowest cost, with acceptable roll-over risk, remains therefore a great challenge for a wide range of governments, with most OECD debt managers continuing to rebalance the profile of debt portfolios by issuing more long-term instruments and moderating bill issuance.

Additional challenges for government (and corporate) issuers are the complications generated by the pressures of a rapid increase in sovereign risk, whereby “the market” suddenly perceives the debt of some sovereigns as “risky”, as well as euro area-induced contagion effects. Growing concerns among investors have resulted in the offloading of significant holdings of European debt.

10. Totally Jon Stewart on how America gave Iran a drone for Christmas... I love the pictures of the Hillman Hunters driving in the streets of Iran.

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Comment in article below ;

"In the short term, however, the easiest course for indebted EU members is to scrap the social security tax (payroll tax) and replace the revenue by raising or extending the VAT. Because payroll tax and VAT are similarly regressive, the redistributive effects of such a reform would be minimal. The point is that, whereas a payroll tax has a production/origin base, a VAT has a consumption/destination base. Hence, whereas the suppression of production due to one country’s payroll tax is concentrated within that country, the effect of a VAT on production is shared with the country’s trading partners and is therefore less detrimental to that country’s ability to generate income and pay its debts."

 

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2011/12/europes-suicide-pact/

Great article.

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Fiddling while Rome burns...minor stuff.

Also it ignores the issue that its easier to trace PAYE and get the tax than VAT...hence land taxes is easy and accurate to collect, ditto a CGT...so there are some swings and rounadabouts there.

regards

 

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Big problems in places like Greece and Italy is the size of the black economy.

Hard to put GST/VAT on these things

Also GST is a regressive tax. Much harder on the poor/middle than the rich.

Bernard

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Law of Diminishing returns Bernard....you would expect the 'diminished thinking' of the govt would at least have caused somebody to point out a gst rise to 15% would boost the blackmarket across the country and that is exactly what is happening.

And once people learn to trade and make the Human network connections with todays communications, it's almost impossible to stop,

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Commerzbank (Germany's second largest bank) needs an immediate bailout:

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/crash-2-breaking-commerzbank-in-…

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Stop paying people for being un productive.

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Parliament would be empty TBS.....and the Beehive too....maybe we could rent them out....or set up two brothels.

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All the better then. They can join the bludgers earning nothing.

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Surely opposition parties are the biggest bludgers.

Let's face it they have no more power than you or i to change anything the government does not want to change. So why do we pay them big fat salaries and expence accounts? Sitting around and traveling the world, for three years, all at our expence.

Before you howl "It's Democracy Stupid" consider this.

There are two main types of democracy "Direct" and "Indirect"

With Direct Democracy we have a direct input into the decision making process such as with a binding referendum.

With Representative Democracy we are supposed to be electing someone to "Represent us IN GOVERNMENT" so that we ALL have representation in government.. But we don't and that is why it fails.

What is the point in having a voting system in which half of us vote for "NO REPRESENTATION"

Now, that is Undemocratic.

 

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"They submitted because their financial systems are disintegrating and they have their backs to the wall, hoping that compliance will induce Berlin to unleash the European Central Bank act as lender of last resort.

"I wouldn’t call it a failure, but more needs to be done," said Italian premier Mario Monti, putting the best face on the grim reality unfolding in Europe and in Rome. "

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"Commissars will tell them how to treat trade unions, what to tax, and what to spend."

oh dear.....coming to NZ maybe?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8949723/Merkels-Teut…

regards

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#2 I disagree with the assessment that fig 1 had a strong correlation and fig 2 had no correlation. While I would have guessed that outcome based on my prejudices I think the graphs show the opposite to be more likely. Fig 1 shows a weakly negative gradient while fig 2 shows this more strongly IMHO.

 

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One thig Fig2 definatly shows is that GDP growth over 3% is like reaching Mach 4 on a pushbike.  And those were the good old days.  Think you can manage growth and austerity, petrol isn't getting cheaper either. 

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More on Commerzbank via Reuters

FYI Reuters reports Germany's second biggest bank, Commerzbank, is in talks with govt for a forced bailout reut.rs/vEUusN

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The 30 Trillion Euro question is.  Will they get it?

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@ Hugh - and the more Cameron can protect the UK position, the better. 

Protect from what Hugh? - check out the chronic level of UK indebtedness here. - toggle down until you reach the G10 debt distribution graph. This is just a diversionary tactic from Cameron.

 

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Timing this is tough, and we are familiar with the "this time is different" list of arguments in China – low mortgage penetration, urbanization, it is a localized problem, etc. It always is different – that is what we heard in Japan, Korea, Thailand, the United States, Spain, Ireland, etc., when confronted with similar combinations of elevated leverage, property price escalation and peaking working-age population ratios. However, it wasn’t that different in the eventual outcome of suffering large capital losses." 

We don’t think this is imminent but we do think that if we continue to print money (which we probably will across the globe in 2012) the collapse of the Fiat currency system that has prevailed since the Gold Standard was abandoned in 1971 could eventually occur. So the path to future fiat currency destruction could be further cemented in 2012.  

Jim Reid and his team from Deutsche have produced another magnificent compendium of information and prognostication in their 2012 Credit Outlook and while their up-in-quality preference (non-financial) may not be earth-shattering strategically, their timing view is of note. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/six-tail-scenarios-deutsche-bank-are-watching-next-year#comment-1972942 

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A respected scientist from the Cern particle physics laboratory has told the BBC he expects to see "the first glimpse" of the Higgs boson next week. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16074411 

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Wow #7 is an eye-opener. The real US economy was in already in trouble due to robots and Asian labour replacing the productive position of the common industrial worker.

"What we need to do instead is embark on a massive investment program—as we did, virtually by accident, 80 years ago—that will increase our productivity for years to come, and will also increase employment now."

Agreed, especially the part about education and research, but don't forget the accidental discovery of a huge fund of wealth in North America: cheap oil, ripe for the picking in the 1940's, which made the leap in productivity possible. That will be hard to duplicate. Our best hope is to develop green technologies, something Germany has been doing successfully for several years.

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#7 is good and there is lessons for NZ in there. Spending on infrastructure makes way more sense than propping up banks and finance companies. Imagine what the money spent on bailing out SCF investors would have done if it had been spent on rebuilding Christchurch.

I always thought that US declining farm income and the move to the cities in the 1930s was due to the Great Dust Bowl rather than improving farm productivity; deep plowing and a change in weather patterns were to blame. Stiglitz is the one with the Nobel Prize though.

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@ Hugh - re utopianism - how long can this go on for?  

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Wow #7 what a load of rubbish.

Seriously, do people actually take this stuff on for real?  These wizzards have been proven wrong so many times over and over, their credibility is so shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XbG6aIUlog

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@ Hugh I am not as enamoured with Boris Johnson's political exploits as you seem to be.

But I admit he was the most fantastic editor of the Spectator.  It is even rumoured he played away with the delectable Petronella Wyatt, his deputy editor at the time - strongly denied of course. Perks of the job some would say.

Short History  

But I remain a staggers fan

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very funny

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very surreal. Yet there are plenty who deny the bursting of the China bubble. No doubt Olly is one of them - he wouldn't be able to support his claim of another nz housing boom if he though the Chinese bubble was going to burst.

Mind you, Its a bit hard to decipher and rationalise the data coming out of China, and this talk of 40% price drops seems a bit anecdotal. Any hard and official data? (mind you, the "official" data in china is probably no better than the anecdotal stuff)

Interesting hearing the author of "The Next Decade" on the radio today talking about China. As he says only about 20 million of the population have western country equivalent wealth. The vast majority of the billion plus people are still living in horrid poverty. Yet we often hear so much rhetoric about a billion hungry customers - thats just bollocks

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 I used to like Stiglitz, but i think he's lost the plot these days.  The service industry is stuffed worse then the manufacturing industry.  Technology is rapidly making this sector obselete, I'm trying to think of a part of this sector that isn't under threat from, computers, the internet, or technological efficiencies.  Call centers are hardly going to increase growth prospects.

The reality is that technology is making work obselete.  The old world mentality, where everything is hard work, and therefore must be exchanged for an equal or greater amount of hard work, is under threat.  The only reason that everyone has to work, is not because of scarcity, it's because we are all debt slaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GltA_cSrk_M

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Anyone read the latest book "Aftershock" by Robert A. Wiedemer:

 "I will give the authors credit, their previous book titled America's Bubble Economy accurately predicted the collapse of the housing market and the subsequent failure of banks as a result of the collapse.  Aftershock is an extension of that book that examines the further collapse of world markets.  The book opines that there are six interconnected bubbles that have been behind incredible growth in wealth without tracking an equal growth in production."

Predicts housing will go way down, stocks will crash, gold increase etc etc etc

http://www.epinions.com/review/Book_Aftershock_How_to_Protect_Yourself_from_the_Next_Big_Global_Money_Meltdown_David_Wiedemer_Cindy_Spitzer_Robert_Wiedemer/content_512434212484 

 

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Regarding (2).

... countries that made large cuts in top tax rates such as the United Kingdom or the United States have not grown significantly faster than countries that did not, such as Germany or Denmark.

 

mmm. My wife went on a diet last year, and over the course of her diet I put on half a stone. My wife has just been on a diet again this year, and I've again put on weight.

Should I be worried about my wife dieting next year, or, does correlation not always equal causation?

Think of the millions of things that can affect economies ... for example, what was the difference in the public spend between these two groups of countries over this time? What were the borrowing programs of both groups of countries.  I'm not sure on Denmark, but I know Germany would have had, of all these countries, over the period mentioned, the smallest level of state spend as a percentage of GDP: its faster growth may have been far more a function of that, than to do with taxes.

Also, look at that phrase: ... have not grown significantly faster - so what, they did grow faster then, just not significantly faster? Well then that would prove the point.

Nice try, Kim Jong, don't let facts get in the way of your pogram for more and more taxation, and the bigger and bigger State.

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