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Easter Edition Top 10 with NZ Mint: How to circumvent Cyprus' capital controls; Paul Krugman's hot money blues; US$500 to try on a wedding dress; Eurozone faces slide into Depression; Dilbert

Easter Edition Top 10 with NZ Mint: How to circumvent Cyprus' capital controls; Paul Krugman's hot money blues; US$500 to try on a wedding dress; Eurozone faces slide into Depression; Dilbert
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Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 2 pm in association with NZ Mint.

As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

See all previous Top 10s here.

My must read today is #2 from Paul Krugman on the hot money blues. I don't have a solution, but we're seeing plenty of hot money flooding into New Zealand property and stock markets at the moment...and we remain mystified by the 15% overvaluation of the New Zealand dollar and the surge in Auckland property prices...By the way I went to an auction in Wellington today where a Chinese speaking couple bid against another Chinese landlord to push the price of a Berhampore do-up property with an RV of NZ$475,000 all the way to NZ$580,000. It's spreading from Auckland.

1. How to get around capital controls - Most of the developed world having had to think about this for a long time.

Remember when New Zealanders had to apply to the Reserve Bank to obtain the foreign currency to buy a Morris Minor?

I can't, but I'm regularly told those older and wiser than me that this happened and it was a very, very bad thing that we don't want to go back to.

In Cyprus, the government and the people are having to think very hard about these things.

They are worried about everyone trying to withdraw all their money from the rubble of Cyprus' banks the moment they reopen. That's a fair fear after the shenanigans of the last couple of weeks.

Here's Cardiff Garcia quoting John Dizard at FTAlphaville looking at the various ways and means of circumventing the controls when they're imposed tonight. 

Capital controls turn into trade controls, as the locals attempt to find ways to turn hard assets or non-banking services into foreign exchange. At some price, for example, you can buy a boat in Cyprus with post-haircut, capital-controlled local deposits, sail it to Lebanon, and then sell it for real, usable money. The same with antiques, jewellery, or anything else you can think of.

Even capital goods such as fork lifts can be motored off in the middle of the night. Of course the authorities anticipate some of these problems, but there are always new ones. Particularly after the initial shock of control imposition wears off, the population turns from productive effort to finding ways to game the system. Some cultures are more resistant than others to this change in character, but in all cases social cohesion and respect for law are eroded over time.

2. The end of the free movement of capital? - Here's Paul Krugman wondering if the Cypriot capital controls are the beginning of a trend of a clampdown on the amazingly free movement of capital around the globe, which seems to have coincided with the boom and bust of the last decade.

He says capital controls used to be the done thing. We tend to forget that.

 

It will mark the end of an era for Cyprus, which has in effect spent the past decade advertising itself as a place where wealthy individuals who want to avoid taxes and scrutiny can safely park their money, no questions asked. But it may also mark at least the beginning of the end for something much bigger: the era when unrestricted movement of capital was taken as a desirable norm around the world.

It wasn’t always thus. In the first couple of decades after World War II, limits on cross-border money flows were widely considered good policy; they were more or less universal in poorer nations, and present in a majority of richer countries too. Britain, for example, limited overseas investments by its residents until 1979; other advanced countries maintained restrictions into the 1980s. Even the United States briefly limited capital outflows during the 1960s.

3. A failed experiment - That's how Krugman describes the era of completely unfettered capital movements.

That's not the sort of thing you'll hear from the Reserve Bank and Treasury here, who remain locked on the neo-liberal targets.

 

As a result, countries that did step in to limit capital flows — like Malaysia, which imposed what amounted to a curfew on capital flight in 1998 — were treated almost as pariahs. Surely they would be punished for defying the gods of the market!

But the truth, hard as it may be for ideologues to accept, is that unrestricted movement of capital is looking more and more like a failed experiment.

It’s hard to imagine now, but for more than three decades after World War II financial crises of the kind we’ve lately become so familiar with hardly ever happened. Since 1980, however, the roster has been impressive: Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and Chile in 1982. Sweden and Finland in 1991. Mexico again in 1995. Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Korea in 1998. Argentina again in 2002. And, of course, the more recent run of disasters: Iceland, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Cyprus.

4. Plenty of control - Ryan Avent from the Economist points out that some of the most successful (and biggest) economies have capital controls.

 

The world's second largest economy maintains very tight controls over capital flows. The third largest economy is actively engaged in managing its currency. The sixth-largest economy has used capital controls to limit appreciation of its currency. Many of the world's other large economies are part of a monetary union actively experimenting with a handful of financial-repression mechanisms. The International Monetary Fund has taken the official position that the use of capital controls may be warranted as a financial stability tool. And so on. I would say that the era of free capital mobility is definitely on life-support.

Now, many of these policies may be designed to be temporary. And China looks interested in gradual liberalisation of its capital controls. But there are two reasons to think that the trend will continue toward less rather than more mobility. One is that a half-open world is probably not a stable equilibrium.

5. 'The Eurozone will now slip into a Depression' - So says Matthew Lynn at MarketWatch.com.

The Cyprus debacle will deepen the depression now starting to grip the European economy. This is no longer a financial crisis — it is an economic crisis. And the collapse of Cyprus will make that a whole lot worse.

The so-called rescue will push one more country into a catastrophic recession. It will provoke an outflow of global funds from the euro-zone. And it will encourage small businesses and depositors to hoard cash. A modern economy can’t function without a healthy banking system. And after Cyprus, no bank in the euro zone can be regarded as safe anymore.

6. Another business model - This is a fun story about the dress designer Vera Wang charging US$500 for women in Shanghai to try on her wedding gowns. It was designed to discourage counterfeiters. She's just dropped the charge. 

The copiers aren't deterred. Remember, this is a society built on a lack of respect for the rule of law and on institutionalised dishonesty.

 

Li, one seller of "Vera Wang style" dresses on Taobao Marketplace, China's largest e-commerce site, says he can achieve up to 90 percent similarity to the namesake garments without even seeing the originals. A Vera Wang original can range anywhere from $2,000 to over $10,000, but on Taobao some imitations go for as little as $100.

"For the experts you don't need to try on the dress to figure out how to copy it, you just need to see it or feel it at the shop," said Li, who declined to give his full name. Li's factory, based in Suzhou, a city near Shanghai, makes Vera Wang knockoffs from photos of her creations, then sells them online for between 600 yuan ($97) to 1,700 yuan ($270).

7. Only 25 billion pounds short - That's the amount of capital that British banks need to bring their balance sheets up to scratch...

Here's the Guardian reporting on the Bank of England's estimate of the capital shortfall. Read the article to get the tone. The politicians don't want to stump up the money or force the banks to deleverage to improve their capital ratios. This is why I wouldn't have any of my money anywhere near a British bank. 

 

Bank of England policymakers have warned that UK banks have a capital shortfall of £25bn, after ordering them to make a more "honest" assessment of hidden losses on their balance sheets – sparking an immediate row with the business secretary over the capital hike.

The banks, and some building societies, with shortfalls were not identified but have until the end of the year to plug the gap by winding down businesses or retaining more profits. The taxpayer will be able to avoid pumping in more cash on top of the £65bn already ploughed into Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group, although the focus will turn to the two bailed out banks.

8. Watch out for Cypriot credit cards - I'm halfway serious about this. The capital controls due to go on in Cyprus this weekend also look at the use of Cypriot credit cards. Here's the Reuters report.

 

Cyprus is set to restrict the flow of cash from the island and may curb the use of Cypriot credit cards abroad as it tries to avert a run on itsbanks after agreeing a tough rescue package with international lenders.

A Greek newspaper published details of what officials told Reuters was as yet only a draft government decree to restrict outward payments to documented imports and limit how much people could take abroad in banknotes or spend on credit cards.

9. End the petrol subsidies - That's the view of the IMF, as reported by the Washington Post. I hadn't thought of this as a solution to global warming, but it's not a bad idea. 

 

Governments around the world subsidize gasoline, electricity and other major forms of energy to the tune of $1.9 trillion a year according to a new International Monetary Fund study that calls for that amount to be offset through carbon taxes or other means to battle climate change and other social problems.

For the United States, that would require a $1.40 levy per gallon of gas and other fees totaling about $1,170 per person to offset the full cost of fossil fuel use, including “externalities” such as pollution and steps to mitigate the effects of global warming.

Not recognizing those costs, the fund argues, has had profound consequences for energy markets and the world economy: encouraging overconsumption; leaving some nations short of funds to address health, education and other needs; and distorting investment decisions.

 

10. Totally Jon Stewart talking to Michael Moss about 'Salt Sugar Fat'

 

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#7 british bank?  only? I think NZ and OZ banks are probably not to bad, but Im hard pushed to think of any other country's banks that money would be "safe" in medium term (2 years).  I mean every bank in the EU is suspect or highly suspect, the stress tests were a rigged bad joke.  Only Q is, whats the global impact of the EU seizing up after cyprus exits...oh look a long weekend.....

Maybe its time to buy metals Bernard, lead & brass are my favourites, highly tradeable.

regards

 

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It's Easter....Yay ! looking for an outing over the break....?

 

 

 

 

A DAY AT THE RACES   Two female teachers took a group of students from grades 1, 2 and 3 for a field trip to Flemington  Racecourse.       When it was time to take the children to the 'bathroom', it was decided that the girls would go with one teacher and the boys would go with the other.     The teacher assigned to the boys was waiting outside the men's toilet when one of the boys came out and told her that none of them could reach the urinal. Having no choice, she went inside, helped the little boys with their pants, and began hoisting  them up one by one, holding on to them to direct the flow away from their clothes and shake them dry.       As she lifted one boy up, she couldn't help but notice that he was unusually well endowed. Trying not to show that she was staring at his equipment the teacher said, 'You must be in Grade 3?       'No ma'am', he replied. 'I'm riding Black Caviar in the next race, but I really appreciate your help.'        May you all be happily surprised at some point over the weekend.Cheers.
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vvvvvvvvvv + vvvvvvvvvv  would indeed be a surprise....

enjoy

regards

 

 

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vvvvvvvvvv + vvvvvvvvvv  would indeed be a surprise....

enjoy

regards

 

 

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That's a heavyweight link, Hughey. Full of facts, figures, references. Good bibliography, and I was particularly impressed by the extensive list off peer-reviewers.

 

No mention of what underwrites incomes, I see. An unfortunate oversight?

 

Not surprising - I lived in Q'land during the Hinze era; learned not to expect too much........

 

 

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Hughy only wants to peddle his extremist political outlook, anything that doesnt support that or worse makes it moot is utterly ignored.

Which of course makes a joke of being a "business man" or anyone else puporting to be a professional when their determinations miss fundimental and critical item(s).

Kind of got around to the view or understanding why previous civilisations collapsed, in watching ours do it......

regards

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As opposed to peddling failed malthusian predictions?

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maybe you could explain mathematically how expotential demand fits into a finite planet....which all that the malthusian theory comes down to.

regards

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You must be an economist?

1) Assume exponential demand.

2) Draw conclusion based on assumption in 1.

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PDK why do you not take a leaf out of Hugh's book and keep a look out for articles about your interest peak oil/energy etc and then post them up on this website. There have been a few really good ones lately that BH has put up. Surely there is more...

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Here's one that both Bernard & PDK seem to have overlooked .....

 

 www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/16/peak-oil-theories-groundless-bp

 

...... can't think why neither of them wanted to share this staggeringly good news with us  .......

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... or this !

 

 www.phinergy.com

 

Crikey , the world is chocker with wonderful innovations bursting out of private and public research facilities ...... so much good news , I'm all gooey-gooey-gum-drops at the thought of it ...

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...or this!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhgUmGBjX8

 

...................

 

 

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Interesting line that proves my copmment on the land bankers,

"We sold land in 1990 in Charters Towers for $6000 a block, and any time the price went over $6000 we’d just dump another 20 or 30 blocks on to the market."

So if they were truely after cheap land they'd throw 90 blocks on and take the price to 2k.....or the fact he wants to take revenues from elsewhere to subsidize developers....that is making houses cheap its just shifting the true costs.

Really all you talk about is [re-]moving one artificial restriction to another.....if you want truely cheap land you have to cut them all out en mass.

regards

 

 

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I remember being told in the 1960s that the best way to get your money overseas was for the women to put notes in the hems of their dresses.  Can't imagine you would get much out though.

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Ha yeah, in the 60's my Dad bought NZ dollars in Hong Kong on the black market at $6 to $1 US when the official exchange rate was $2 or $3 to $1 USD.

He then put them in his SCUBA tanks and brought them into NZ. LOL.

Currency controls my ar*e.....good luck with that.

Cheers

 

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.By the way I went to an auction in Wellington today where a Chinese speaking couple bid against another Chinese landlord to push the price of a Berhampore do-up property with an RV of NZ$475,000 all the way to NZ$580,000. It's spreading from Auckland.

This is veering towards xenophobia Bernard. These people could well be NZ citizens or permanent residents. Do you have evidence that they weren't residents?

The issue should be about non-resident foreign speculators, whether they are Chinese, Aussie, English etc.

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Okay, so Bernard was at an auction the other day and two bidders suspected of spending foreign sourced capital bid up the asset to well beyond its declared capital value. The bidders were speaking a language that appeared to be Asian in origin.

 

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For many so-called "journalists", controversy is all they want to achieve and they'll use any means of achieving it, be it xenophobia, inter-generational enmity, anti-PI sentiments, unsubstantiated market crash predictions - anything goes as long as it brings attention and, ultimately, a dollar. Don’t blame them though, for this is their way of earning a crust; but do not take their reporting and their implied conclusions as truth either…

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"Capital Controls...??

When are we gone get some.??"

No offense but I gotta laugh......really....good luck with that.

We cannot control drugs, gold or money movement......never could. Governments may try but that will just create huge opportunity for "enablers" of capital movement.

As I said above my Dad has moved money in and out of 3'rd world crapholes for many years in the past....no problem.....and they had strict currency controls.

Cheers

 

 

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"Spanish or Portuguese citizens would be pretty stupid to keep over 100,000 euros in a savings account.

Rational savers will distribute their assets to different banks, each with a limit of €100,000. German savers will do so as well."
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/03/rational-reason-to-panic-hot-money.html#d8EbSzEvkwSUEIoy.99

Although I think for many it is too late...I think any saver instructing a bank to transfer a large chunk of a deposit to another bank, is in for a shock right now...a big fat delay wrapped up in a bland "NO"...

Keep your NZ deposits short term and grab the lot when the stench hits you...

Note. In time the dirty large secret transfers of wealth out of the Cypriat banks during the 'closure period', will be exposed...mafia and polly money(stolen in the first place)...money the power brokers had there....all now safe as can be in a German bank or private safe. The rest have been robbed by the thieves.

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I think they'd be stupid on 10~20k....

regards

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Has just been announced that 20% of total cash held in cypriot banks was pulled out in February, a month before the closure. The cogniescenti were getting out ahead of the fire .. they knew beforehand .. the "secret transfers" during the closure were the slow ones ..

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I remember trying to close out share positions in just before the dotcom crash in the late 90's.

I had big problems getting it done....got out but learned a life long lesson. When the crappola hits the fan it's much too late for the ordinary investor.

Good advise Wolly....I second that 100%....short term.....not too much and spread around a bit.

Cheers

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Yep.....hence I bailed almost 3 years ago...there is no quick exit for small investors...cannon fodder

 

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"Yep.....hence I bailed almost 3 years ago"

And missed one of the greatest bull markets of all time. You are bragging about being the quintessential loser.  Why am I not surprised?

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Hi little troll.....the so called bull market is a dead cat bounce fed by the FED.  If you want to play where you risk losing a lot, be my guest, Im more than happy with my position, I profited and exited.

regards

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Vera hit a nerve huh ! ...... you missed out on a rip roaring bull run , the S&P 500 reached a new all time high overnight ......

 

...... hence you have resorted to the personal abuse of a fellow blogger , yet again .......

 

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No nerve GBH, Im pleased and grateful the cannon fodder such as yourself have continued to prop this mess up. Its given me 4 years to get into the best position I think I could achieve. Now I have my future planning considered and laid out, just about there, 6~12months would be better, just keep buying.

regards

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Are you in the deep south tonight , for the rugby match , steven from Dunedin ?

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@steven

A dead cat bounce is a small and shortlived  upturn after a sharp downturn. A sustained four year bull market which still has PE's at quite a modest level is not a dead cat bounce. Your post is your usual uninformed drivel.  

BTW my niece informs me that a person addicted to posting on a specific message board , all day, every day, now has an official name. Apparently steven, you are a Womble. Smart moderators are weeding out their wombles, much like talk-back radio had to ban persistant bandwagon pushers in the early days of that medium.

 

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Yeah , I remember the early days of  Radio Sport  , they had this one persistent caller who annoyed the bee-jeezus out of them so much they had to ban him .....

 

....... but he continued calling the producer , and personally abusing him ........

 

Ummmmmmm ....  " Steven from Dunedin " ......yup ,  that was him !  .....

 

 .... steven ?  ........ oh , the penny's dropped !

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Well vera within the next few years (6 at most) though with cyprus it could be mere months, we get to see who's right. 

Wombles of Wimbledon, LOL, a nice place btw.

regards

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In the circles of the utterly clueless you must be a legend steven.  The GDP of Cyrus is about $25billion. If the whole place sank into the ocean it would have less significance than Warren Buffet having a bad day at the track.  The entire Cyprus economy does less business in a year than Apple does in  6 weeks. 

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To put that fact into perspective , Tasmania had a GDP of $ 24 billion in the 2011/12 financial year , and a population of just 512 000 ......

 

...... and I can't ever remember Tasmanian bankers nor politicians strutting on the world stage . threatening to bring down the global economy ....

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I agree that there is money to be made in stocks....after all the Fed is creating more than $85 billion a month alone.

For me though it's now more of a gamble in that I constantly sniff for bad smells around the share market. But I agree liquidity is lifting all boats as you would expect.

The other point about Cyprus is not so much the size of their economy but what this mess represents. A Cyprus Euro is not the same as a German Euro.....worth thinking about.

Also the very big investors in Cyprus were able to get their money out.

Cheers

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#2 Paul Krugman is trying to understand the causes of our current crises, and is puzzled over cause and effect. I can empathise with him, because the decisions of millions of human beings all over the world, all trying to decide what to do with their money, are difficult to analyse into nice neat categories. (Not that this has ever restrained Krugman). When Krugman looks at history he is trying to determine what policy had what effect, it is hard to know for sure. However Krugman is not averse to rushing in where angels fear to tread, so he thinks re-establishing capital controls can help. He thinks there was some connection between currency controls and stability in the past. Maybe there was, I do not know. A lot of old Russians long for the stability that Stalin and his successors gave.

I can remember when we had these rules to stop NZers buying foreign currency and foreign cars. As always, the rich could work their way around these rules, and profited handsomely. The reason behind the regulations was that the NZD exchange rate  was valued by government decree, and it was overvalued. The currency controls were put in place to help maintain the fiction.

The good thng about having no currency controls is that it quickly punishes financially irresponsible governments. For example, if Japanese housewives see that the NZ Govt is about to print lots of money, they pull their money out, and the currency drops in value almost immediately. This has a sobering effect on politicians and their grandiose plans. When there were currency controls and a controlled exchange rate it took years for the effect to be felt, and tended to mask the ineptitude of our leaders.  

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I had to re-read what he said, as that wasnt how I read it.  I think he's saying the evidence of  the effects of no capital controls is possibly against it...not necessarily that he wants them.  Unless you have an actual line with him saying exactly that?  URL?

Then of course you throw in the emotive bits about Stalin..etc....etc....which really just detracts from your comments IMHO.

Personally looking back to the 1970s I tend to agree on your Japanese housewives comment, really the controls are only necessary as Govn has failed.

Movement of money is about enabling business, stifle movement and I think you stifle business and just hand money over the the parasites who make a living getting around such laws.  Id like to see a far stronger case and logic to support bringing them back.

regards

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One problem with that Kimy, the US is still bigger than the next 3 economies combined. Might take another hundred years to transfer all that wealth to China, if it can hold itself together domestically.

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So China lends the US money so that the US can buy the cheap junk goods that China produces. Sounds like a pretty good deal from the US end, default on your debts and all is fine (or inflate them away). As you will find with Europe falling apart the US is top dog and got there for a very good reason,  they are the best at playing the game.

 

What you are actually going to find out sooner or later is that this is all about who controls the resources. For China to grow it requires them but the US has their foot on the throat of the supply lines. Why do you think Japan got into WWII? The US starved them of minerals until war was their only option, as war was what the US wanted. They also didn't want Japanese industrial empire getting too big. Pearl Harbour was planned by the US. They let Japan grow post WWII when it was in the US best interests but Japan is now a done dog. China's turn will come.

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Some real-world colour from an Australian-Cypriot who went back to Cyprus

'On Friday I went to sleep a rich man.  I woke up next day a poor man'

It's not Russian money
It's not black money
It's not hot money
It's my money

http://www.smh.com.au/national/i-went-to-sleep-friday-as-a-rich-man-i-woke-up-a-poor-man-20130328-2gxab.html

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"Savers in Cyprus' largest bank face losing a far worse-than-expected 60pc of their deposits over €100,000 as part of a €10bn EU bail-out deal struck this week."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9962244/Cypriot-authorities-confirm-raid-on-big-depositors.html

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