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Transpower warns of potential blackouts if demand isn't reduced immediately

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Transpower warns of potential blackouts if demand isn't reduced immediately
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Update: This emergency has now ended.


Transpower has issued an emergency notice that extreme power conditions exist in the North Island.

They say there is insufficient generation for the current demand.

They say "if participant response across the North Island is insufficient, the system operator will manage demand to alleviate the Grid Emergency. The system operator may instruct the grid owner to disconnect feeders without further notice to connected parties."

Transpower said there was a fault on the HVDC cable which transfers electricity from the South Island to the North Island.

Some power was still flowing across the cable but a second fault could suddenly stop the flow of electricity, they said.

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*turns off heat pumps*  

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... burn more Indonesian coal ! ... stuff what the dolphins & green turtles think  🐬

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*also turns off heat pump*  

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Just in:

"Electricity operator Transpower has withdrawn a grid emergency that it issued in the North Island on Friday morning after power equipment carrying power from the South Island failed at one of the worst possible times."

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*turns on heat pump*  

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Maxed mine out when I saw the notice. I'm not freezing my bollocks off if it goes dark.

Five long years of neglect? 

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5 years of neglect?  Surely goes longer than that.  Maybe this is the flaw of a mixed ownership model?  Muddies the water on who is responsible for capital improvements.  

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...182 years of neglect...

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800 years of neglect.

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Selling off the generation companies to get some cash while failing to plan for future demand?

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That's the whole idea of selling shares in an asset/company isn't it?  To bring in capital to invest in "capital" expense for increased output, production, growth, whatever, and provide the investors with a share of the increased return?  

I thought National were the political party that were astute in business, but what projects have they started using this capital?  I guess it's easy as a Government, but selling off shares in a private business and frittering away the funds on other things?

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Thankfully we have a capable and competent Energy Minister to help address this issue so it doesn't happen again. 

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Here here.

I'm not against changing the type of power we use (from fossil fuels to renewables) but I am against the incompetence around managing that change.

Can kindness be replaced by competence immediately please.

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If ACT & TOP were running the show we'd get the competence we need , rather than the ideology Jacinda wants ...

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Turns off compute..........~~~~~

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Reboots. 🏭

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Oh, for about 10 seconds there I was about to turn off some appliances for the good of the country. Glad I don't need to do that now. Feeling like a bit of a hero to be honest.

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Thanks Jacinda!

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Looks like our education system failed as well.

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How convenient that the spot prices increase 10fold as a result. My source in the power industry tells me the gentailers have doubled their net profit in the last year anyway, looks like they're coming back for more. one cable just 'happened' to fail at the worst possible time? I'll let you decide on that one

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$40 South Island power gets sold for $120,000 in the North Island. I had thought the South Island would seek independence within 50 years, but it might be much sooner than that. The North would learn how to cope with winter the same as Germany. 

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Not sure if you're suggesting one of the gentailers committed industrial sabotage, or that they managed to twist the arm of Transpower (who actually run the HVDC) into turning off their equipment at high reputational cost, just to profit some gentailers. Neither seems plausible to me. 

The net profit figures are quite deceptive and heavily influenced by Meridian selling their Australian assets (reporting a big profit), and derivative accounting by Genesis (big loss last year, big profit this year). 

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Can you stop with all the logic and data, there no place for that sort of nonsense in this meeting of the Thin Tin Fedora Club.

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Has there been a Russian/American naval flotilla in Cook Strait in the last fortnight?

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I nominate load shedding to start in Wellington. Leaders heat last.

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I know what'll solve this, more EVs.

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You're not going to be pumping much petrol if we get rolling blackouts thanks our craphouse infrastructure either. 

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EVs are very easy to load shed. Mine stops charging automatically at 7am when on-peak kicks in. I could have turned it off sooner if I had known there was a shortage.

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EV's will help grid stability, when charged off peak they help reduce the troughs making it easier for power suppliers to manage load. Also, there's 2 way charging where you can have your EV automatically feed the grid when the price spikes like crazy like it did this morning. EV's will be the solution to intermittent renewable energy.

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Except "off peak" will suddenly become "peak" once everyone is trying to charge their cars at the same time.

Reminds me of a quote by that great ancient philosopher Homer (J. Simpson):

Alcohol: the cause of - and solution to - all of life's problems

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Not every EV will be plugged in all once lmao. 

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At the Auckland price it would take about $3,000 to fill up a Nissan Leaf.

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If every vehicle was EV, it is only about 20% of total load

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On the contrary, many of the newer EV's have Vehicle to Load, so you can plug household appliances in to the car if the grid can't cope or power prices are too high. All of those big batteries can have a role in equalising supply an demand.

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@chebbo more  EV's most certainly could help. People could get a text asking permission to take power from grid connected EV's to get through a temporary demand surge.

I just read the other day about a set-up, think it was California, where a fleet of electric school buses was being used for that purpose.

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That doesn't solve the issue of insufficient power generation and infrastructure though, which is the actual issue here. Using people's cars as a giant emergency battery only works if they're all able to charge them up in the first place (and probably not even then; there are some massive assumptions being made here).

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Even better, fly in more demand and tell us we're better off with more people shivering in the dark. 

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Quick unplug your EV's!  Or switch them to thermo nuclear mode.  

 

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Mine charged on its charger 11pm to 7am. Was cheap as too.

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Countries that don't have the infrastructure to support their population are developing countries.

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There seems to be a few "developed" countries in similar situations especially with housing and transport infrastructure. Those that have encouraged breakneck population growth from migration as a quick and nasty economic boost.

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Hard to think of a country that doesn't have infrastructure issues every now and then. Luckily for us, they are manifesting as things like 'if a major fault at peak use time on a particularly cold day, you might have to reduce power use for an hour'. Pretty manageable. 

Back in the UK there was a discussion every few years after a particularly hard frost about how many snow ploughs and gritters each council should have on hand. Essentially - how much more council tax would you be happy to pay to reduce that 0.1% chance of having an icy road? Sometimes a failure or near-miss is the rational outcome of a cost-benefit analysis when the alternative is to massively overengineer every system we have.

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Perhaps we should have a new designation. 2nd world countries. Those who aspire to be first and are not 3rd world. NZ fit the bill?

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We do have a real lack of leadership in this critical area of infrastructure

Govt could be the emergency provider - or contract owner of that back up generation

Improved gas supply would help but politics destroyed that option

New geothermal would be good

Much better use of the smart meters already fitted

Forcing generators out of the retail market may also assist but work needed here as to best option

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Separate ownership of the coal and gas generation is what Contact and Genesis want. It's a tricky position - we need their generation until we have a better alternative, but with a limited lifespan and dwindling use why would Genesis keep up the investment in keeping Huntly running? An NZ ThermalCo run as a public body to ensure supply could be the solution. 

Alternative take - Huntly is old and run down, and paying for the carbon credits is too expensive so Genesis want the government to bail them out so they can invest in renewables instead. 

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Yeah, it’s a mess. All the Govt incentives are to get out of coal completely, but if they actually do the consequences will be… awkward.

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Genesis Net profit was up 600% to $221.9m for the year to June 30 2022 from last year's profit of $31.7m. 

If anyone needs a bail out it's Genesis. Think of their poor shareholders.

 

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As I mentioned above, this is because last year they had a big paper loss from derivative contracts and this year a big paper profit. The 600% increase is not particularly meaningful. 

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My weather station recorded an all time low temp of about 1.8 Deg C at 2am this morning. Personally I left the heatpump on all night at 20C because it was 5 Deg C before the sun even went down yesterday, probably the coldest night in 2 years down here in Tauranga. Better turn the heatpump off now.

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My Passive House dropped to a record overnight low of 19.2 degrees with no heating on. The quality of housing really needs to improve in this country.

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Humble brag. I've got a 16kw ducted AC system in my modest 3 bedroom brick and tile place so I can keep my house at 15 degrees in the middle of summer with all the windows and doors open so my beer doesn't get cold while I'm working on my rotaries in the garage ((both) idling, spitting out flames and fumes at the same time) whilst one of my 4 kids mows the lawns and the others dance around a bonfire eating red meat whilst watering the lawns with sprinklers in the middle of summer. 

I'm thinking of getting a diesel generator as back up power and boiling plastic on the bonfire in a retort chamber for low quality fuel to power it. 

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Passive House, solar, EV, electric lawnmower. Total annual energy cost = $77.

Worth bragging about :)

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I'd rather spend $150k on an investment property.

 

/s

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I'm sure your (4) kids will fondly remember your wisdom, as they huddle around a smouldering fire, fueled with their own bodily waste while spit roasting an emaciated rat. 

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Rabbit you mean. Come on now. 

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I mean, who'd want a cold beer in summer anyway.  Glad you can keep your beer warm in summer, sounds like a tough challenge.....

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🤣🤣

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We are on the cusp of buying thousands of electric cars under strong encouragement from the government. Where is the power coming from to power them. Where are the plans to upgrade the power supply network for them. 

The crisis today illustrates that our county has no surplus renewable power on an annual basis, so these electric cars can only be powered by fossil fuel and so will not help reduce co2 emissions, if not increase them. nor do we have anything like an adequate network .  Hybrids are the only sensible option we have to reduce emissions at the moment until we have an adequate 100% renewable generation system and a fit for purpose network. And that is without even considering the scarcity of Lithium production.

To give you some idea of the scale of what we face, the Vector AGM pointed out that currently the peak load for Auckland is currently about 1800 mega watts. With electric cars this will rise to over 5000 mega watts. With a smart controlled network this could be reduced to something in the order of 3500 mega watts.

The government are totally asleep at the wheel.

Cheers 

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Ah yes, hybrids, that'll do the trick. All of the moving parts and complexity of an ICE with the complexity and engineering challenges of an EV, in one simple package. Throw in smaller batteries that have to charged up and run down more often and you're definitely onto a winner there.

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Do you have the vaguest clue what you are talking about?

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Looks pretty accurate to me. What's the point of having both ICE and Electric in one car ? Sure it may be a seller because it negates the "Range Anxiety" but its not a winner. The solution is smaller turbo charged cars with smaller engines and smaller electric cars. Until everything starts getting smaller and lighter instead of bigger and heavier we are stuffed.

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Do you? The issue overnight was a transmission problem, not a capacity problem

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Yes. Are you capable of mustering a response worth replying to? 

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There is lots of new solar, wind, and geothermal under construction right now, that is where the power to charge EVs is going to come from.

And most of it is in the North Island, so not affected by Cook Street cable outages

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Where's PDK to tell us all the DC cable under the Cook Straight is an exercise in futility against the entropy of the universe?

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... ha haaaaaa ! ... best post of the day : cheers ...

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It's the physics!

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looks like we were more innovative in the 1950s,the HVDC link in particular.they have a mercury arc rectifier at motat,looks like it belongs in dr frankensteins lab.

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Its because innovation and risk used to be rewarded. Now compliance and hesitancy does. 

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We need pumped storage in the North island,no major sites available, but plenty of smaller ones.

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But but but....NZ is nuclear free!

Let's pat ourselves on the backs. And rug up.

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All those comments above about gentailers just show they don't know what they are talking about, only their own prejudices. The problem was a harmonic filter at Haywards so they had to rapidly reduce power coming across on the DC. Happened about 5am and sorted about by 8:30 so they could then load back up and turn Whirinaki off. .  That is Transpower's equipment and that company has always been 100% government owned.

When you have generation in the South Island and load in the north, you get these sort of problems. It won't be the last. This one was exacerbated by the big drop in wind generation overniight.  

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