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Dairy prices drop more than expected; China retaliates on de-risking; China drops TD rates further; RBA holds; global temperatures hits new record high; UST 10yr 3.86%; gold and oil firmer; NZ$1 = 62 USc; TWI-5 = 70.4

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Dairy prices drop more than expected; China retaliates on de-risking; China drops TD rates further; RBA holds; global temperatures hits new record high; UST 10yr 3.86%; gold and oil firmer; NZ$1 = 62 USc; TWI-5 = 70.4

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand, with news the earth hit a heat record yesterday.

But first, it's a public holiday in the US, so financial markets will notice much lower volumes.

Second, there was another dairy auction this morning and lower price levels are setting in again. Prices fell a sharpish -3.3%, much more than the -1% expected, driven by a -10% dive in the butter price and a -6% retreat in the SMP price. Volumes sold were up on the prior auction two weeks ago but actually came in less than the advertised 'minimums'.

Milk supply is strongish in most producers and the local season is ending with higher supply volumes. So perhaps buyers realise in future the supply situation will be flush. A year ago this same event fell -4.1% and was followed by a set of following events that fell at similar levels. Let's hope that doesn't happen like that again this year. And it also doesn't help that the NZD is rising, because prices in local currency fell -3.9%.

In Canada, their internationally-benchmarked factory PMI fell to a slightly steeper contraction in June, marking the third month of contraction since the start of the year and tracking the bearish momentum in the Americas and Europe.

China said that it will impose new export restrictions on two materials crucial to making semiconductors and other electronic components after August 1, 2023, in an escalating technology trade standoff with the Americans. China is currently a key source for these materials, but not the only one. And actions like this play into the hands of those warning China is instinctively an unreliable trade partner. "De-risking" makes more sense when they do this sort of thing. Pressing one of the most innovative industries in the world just encourages innovation to be less reliant on China.

And staying in China, there are more reports of falling bank account interest rates as authorities move to make holding cash less attractive in the hope these savers will spend more of it.

In Australia, their central bank has kept its cash rate unchanged at 4.10% saying, although further increases might be needed to rein in inflation, it wants more time to assess the state of the economy, the economic outlook and associated risks. Financial markets had expected an increase but not with any great conviction. But they are all aware that inflation is running at 5.6% in the year to May, still far higher than their target.

Meanwhile, we should note that yesterday was the hottest day on record, globally. It might go unremarked elsewhere and it certainly isn't anything to celebrate. But with the seasonal peak usually in late July, yesterday's record seems unlikely to last long.

The UST 10yr yield will start today at 3.86% and unchanged from yesterday. Their key 2-10 yield curve inversion is also unchanged at -108 bps. But in between it briefly almost reached -110 bps and a 42 year record. Their 1-5 curve is holding at -124 bps. And their 3 mth-10yr curve is still at -133 bps. The Australian 10 year bond yield is now at 4.01% and up +3 bps. The China 10 year bond rate is little-changed at 2.71%. And the NZ Government 10 year bond rate is up +5 bps at 4.69%.

Wall Street is closed today for a national holiday. Overnight, European markets were quiet, and slipping about -0.2% across the board. Yesterday, Tokyo ended its Tuesday session down almost -1.0%. But Hong Kong recovered +0.6%, while Shanghai was unchanged. The ASX200 ended its Tuesday session up +0.5% and that was matched with a NZX50 rise, also +0.5%.

The price of gold will start today at US$1925/oz and up +US$4 from yesterday.

And oil prices are up +US$1 at just over US$71/bbl in the US. The international Brent price is firmer too at just over US$76/bbl.

The Kiwi dollar starts today just under 62 USc and up almost +½c this time yesterday. Against the Aussie we are up almost +½c as well at 92.5 AUc. Against the euro we are similarly higher at 56.9 euro cents. That means the TWI-5 is now at 70.4 and up +50 bps and our highest since late May.

The bitcoin price has fallen from this time yesterday and now is at US$30,889 which is a minor -0.4% fall. Volatility over the past 24 hours has been low however at just under +/- 0.9%.

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Dear interest.co, please differentiate the colours between quotes and new comments…. please.

Far easier scrolling if they weren’t both blue.

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Given the warmest day news (wait for Profile!) maybe they could be red?

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There's enough red in the content of the comments thanks🙂

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Spruikers is this your definition of reaching the bottom.... not as per this article.. 

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/122831/average-value-auckland-dwell…

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Interesting read, even a little squabble over data quality. Interesting about seasonal adjustments and SZ saying house prices are far too high. . 

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Perhaps keep the property related comments to the property related articles, otherwise you are just coming across as an obsessed DGM.

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So cries the spruiker

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Funny how anti spruikers all of a sudden prefer Corelogic average house prices vs REINZ HPI...

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Hello spruiker.. have you ever noticed me be critical of the 2 sources? 

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Save your labels for your homemade jams.

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Prices definitely still dropping.  

DGM, could you not drop the antagonistic "spruiker" language and elevate your comments please?

Edit: I see you wrote 2 more "spruiker" posts, while I wrote my comment above.  Why don't you just drop it ?

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Probably when you'll stop name calling those that don't support your views..

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Sure, sounds like a great deal. Let's stop right now, agreed DGM?

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I was wandering past QV's site yesterday and noted our near-CBD Wellington property's estimate now sits $10K below its 2018 RV.

(Insert caveats here about valuation sites and single-point data.)

For comparison:
Oneroof - 26% higher than QV estimate (hilarious!)
Homes - 20% higher than QV
Corelogic - midpoint 16% higher than QV

This is why I prefer to look at QV's values - somewhat more realistic. Although the value they set in 2021 for the property, right near the peak, would have been daylight robbery.

Disclaimer: Not affiliated to any of the above-mentioned sites.

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In Wellington ours still above 2018 values for all the estimates, but not by much.

A (seemingly decent, compact) house nearby us recently sold 10% under its 2018 RV, but it was probably a pressured sale based on the sales photos being empty inside. Elsewhere in Wellington there are occasional some quite low prices in the sales reports.

Personally I didn't really expect it to get this low.

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"Despite the continued fall, which had wiped $130,000 off the nationwide average house, values remained $183,000 higher than the pre-Covid. (Corelogic)"

So at least another $183,000 down to go before we get struck into a proper rebalancing of the Property Sector of our economy.

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130k is a start. 183k down will be just the mid of the fall. A long way to go down to match the fundamentals in the country which lies at the bum end  of the world.

We are a small island nation with not much to give to anyone. Just because we sell some milk and fruits, doesn't make us any valuable.. We import a shit lot more to feed our stupidity. 

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We would slash rates long before we got there. The economy would not be able to take a huge portion of mortgage holders either selling down in distress or slamming their wallets shut even harder than they have already. There would be enormous political pressure to not further entrench millennials as bag-holders for everyone else.  

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The sentiment that our economy would be toast unless more and more people pile in on more and more outrageous levels of personal debt screams decades of economic mismanagement. So is the only way out really to keep going? I’m not convinced. Ultimately we will have to spend our way out at some point, so should that spend come from the banks for the same tax rinsed house again, or from the government for some form of taxable productivity?

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Not an opinion but a question. the problem here is the private trading banks. They have created the mess (while the politicians from both sides twiddled their thumbs). Those mortgage holders who have bought off more than they can chew are the banks problem. Ultimately house values do not create employment, and do not earn export income, so why are we so worried about the economy when this is just a small part of it which doesn't create any real value for the country?

I for one believe the faster that $183k of average value falls off, and more, the better for everyone. 

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As per the current Roy Morgan Poll. National/Act = 45%, Labour/Greens/TPM = 47%.

Labour/Greens/TPM form a government tomorrow based on these results. Both TPM & Labour are economically left of Labour & advocate some sort of property or wealth tax. I very much doubt Greens & TPM will enter a coalition with Labour without such a tax as it would be considered a betrayal to their voter base.

This coalition would see property prices fall another 10-20%. Firstly because of the aforementioned tax which will heavily disincentivise property investment. Secondly the dollar would no doubt drop leading to an increase in import prices (specifically energy), this in turn means a higher CPI, which means higher interest rates to combat this increase in CPI. This causes house prices to fall....

I guess my point is this "massive political pressure" you are referring to may be more of a fantasy than an actuality.

 

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Just adding to this point, that the election come October will be the flavor of the day, and that day only. If this is decided by property investors piling in on the hope National will reinstate interest deductability, then that is a major failure to read the room. There is a growing population in favor of negating tax incentives for property speculation because it makes no economic sense, we can't afford it anymore. So how long until a major party un-re-instates again? One term? Two? Better be quick to pay down those mortgages we seem so desperate to attain.

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Have asked Nat members on this point exactly. Nats WILL reinstate interest deductibility, but WILL NOT undo ring fencing or the way the IRD views that.

So tax rinse back on...just not against external or non rent generated income.

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The Nats have massive holes in their budget proposition. More frontline public workers is going to cost several billions and they've also promised tax cuts plus indexation, reinstate interest deductibility and bigger Crown budget surpluses.

Luxon is grossly overstating the potential savings from the current "excessive" spend on bureaucrats and consultants. His government will have no option but to underfund critical services and infrastructure projects just as John Key did.

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Let me know when we have a handle on whether the skills of people leaving NZ line up with the ones that are leaving. Young people make an enormous sacrifice, be it lifestyle, earnings, being able to afford a family etc by staying in NZ and taking a caning on house prices, and more and more are waking up to the enormously generationally-stacked deck that is life in NZ. Over time, people simply run out of reasons to stay. What do you expect them to do? Yes, you might still be able to get your dribble wiped in a retirement home from a migrant nurse, but you'll never see your grandkids again. 

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Haha, damn saw this post after I posted the last one. Totally agree with these points

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We're looking scarily like South Africa from the 2000-2010s in that we're losing smart people by the planeloads and trying to replace them with cheap labour from worse-off countries.

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Exactly.  More so when you compare the racial quotas and resource allocations, and hiding behind culture to excuse crimes  we are both implementing. 

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GV, I don't think a huge portion has to. All that is needed is more distressed sellers than people willing and able to buy. And as far as millennials, there were no trade jobs or apprenticeships and no fee-free study for them. Instead, they got a lowered drinking age and rampant house price growth where many we unable to get into the market. With high student debt and few job prospects, it's no wonder the age of the average FHB is so high now.

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Funny how New Zealand can be the "Bum end of the world" to some and "Paradise" for others.

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Those two things are not incompatible if callipygian countries float your boat. 

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Upticked after consulting the dictionary.

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Deflation setting in...

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Even then, for what it was, still is, overpriced and distortional.

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One could argue that house prices were already overvalued before CV in 2019.

I suppose one could counter that since then, wages have risen about 20% ish

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My half year report card on my investments (6 month return so double for annualized)

Bitcoin = +85% (wish I had more damn)

Other crypto = Not as good.  Perhaps +60% which aligns with ethereum but with a huge yield (around 130%)

Tech / AI stocks = +40%

General index ETFs / stocks = +12%

Term Deposits= + 2.7% less tax

Rental property = Straight to the depths of hell!  Maybe -6% this year so far before yield?

Best individual stock = META +60%.

Best individual cryptos = Radiant Capital, Fetch AI, Lybra Finance, Pepe - all around the +1000% return mark or so (although one is from Nov).  I kept Lybra and Pepe.

Worst individual stock = Geo.  - 30%.  Got this due to Michael Burry fame - damn that guy can find me some losers

Worst individual cryptos = I tend to cut losers, pretty sure I lost some decent money on a few meme coins - Bob and HarryPotterObamaSonicInu comes to mind.   Some recent losses on a few risky defi protocols (Ghast and Choke)

 

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@ lonewolfnz  .....those risky "defi" protocols ! the one that bit me was that Time Wonderland about 18 months ago ....basically a ponzi scheme !! 

The biggest mistake I made with my crypo portfolio was not taking any profits or even trading back to USDT in late 2021 

My bags are a crypto portfolio now  20% with 80% in bank term deposits (proceeds of sales of investment properties - not NZ) 

Trying to get the other half to get some more BTC but she is dubious, so I think I will just DCA in for now 

Who is your best YouTube "go to" for crypto  ? 

ps I just can not believe how many people got into rental property in NZ without even LOOKING AT THE YEILD ! 

 

 

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Yes indeed but for every Wonderland there is a Pendle or Lybra Finance.  Most of my protocols now use real yield generated from fees.  GND / GMD are another two that I quite like.  Uniswap is simply amazing.

Perp dexes have interesting yield options like GMX and MUX.

I regret not selling in late 2021 every day. 

Regarding people to follow – farming = Taikai Maeda.  Do a search for “DCA Live” and “NFA live” – weekly shows with two different teams.  Crypto banter has some interesting daily news.

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I regret not selling in late 2021 every day. 

I understand Wolfie but you have to let it go and mentally move on. One of my biggest weaknesses is looking at my Excel files that break down the 1400-odd purchases of crypto and calculating 'What If' outcomes for optimal outcomes. It's silly. These markets evolve in a different way and we have to accept that. 

Try a different psychology. Look at those times where you were buying say ETH closer to $100 than $1900. Pat yourself on the back and think of those purchases as bonuses.   

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yes totally.

For example I sold roughly NZD $300k of Luna back in April last year (which was under a 21 day lock).

Had I waited just 1 more week to unlock them those tokens would be worth zero.  THAT would be a bitter pill!!!!

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@lonewolfnz  .... thanks for those tips and Uniswap is one I got told a couple of months ago, was too late to get into ? so will have a relook. 

So I'm not the only one who regrets not selling late 2021 ! ........but for us and a few others I'd imagine, just hang on, especially as the BTC halving is approaching next year.  

Cheers CH 

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Yes it took me a while to reconcile with the money I had "lost" and won't get back, and that stung more than the large bank account I was left with.

Uniswap for me is more the use of the protocol than the token UNI.  There are quite a few defi platforms that give you yield opportunity.

Not easy, time consuming and skill based (for example, learning how to use bridges on the blockchain) but huge rewards.  I have around 25 farming positions - with APYs from 25% to over 1000%.  Average is 130%.  

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'..…... I just can not believe how many people got into rental property in NZ without even LOOKING AT THE YEILD ! ...."

Not surprising at all when the business model was capital gain.

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And tax rinsing.

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BOTH capital gains and low interest rates NEVER last forever .....as all the property bulls are finding out now ! 

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Home loans guru Mark Bouris has issued a startling warning over Australians' mortgages.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/mark-bouris-sounds-alarm-over…

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I read Interest.co every day.  Great learning on financial things.

And elsewhere you can even find a great business story.  The two are different things really.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/132476052/three-sisters-say-secr…

 

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KH great article - obviously a skill set involved but behind that a strong work ethic because for sure there would have been setbacks along the way 

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One thing the economists have not accounted for is how  little competition there is in our economy now.Interest rates will need to go much higher than they think imo

spent the last hour trying to compare offer prices from retailers for power and broadband….still nothing but a few chat messages saying they will get back to me…..tech glitches and all. Genesis can call me back in forty minutes….lol….. we have gone in one big circle and back to crap services and being fleeced

we are all being taken on a ride

 

 

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DC

"with news the earth hit a heat record yesterday."

You are usually good with relevant sources and would like to see one here. At least you didn't say climate change induced which these days implies man made.

A few years back I dropped Stuff as my MSM home web page as the editor took the view that man made global warming was a fact.

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err, that might be because it is.  

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Have you got an alternative hypothesis for why the earth is warming? 

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It's in the story. Here it is again

https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/

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Thanks

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