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Kenneth Rogoff thinks that policymakers and economists must reassess their beliefs in light of current market realities

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Kenneth Rogoff thinks that policymakers and economists must reassess their beliefs in light of current market realities
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Even with the recent partial retreat in long-term real and nominal interest rates, they remain well above the ultra-low levels to which policymakers had grown accustomed, and they are likely to stay at such levels even as inflation retreats. It is now past time to revisit the widely prevailing “free lunch” view of government debt.

The idea that interest rates would be low forever seemed to support the view that any concern about debt was an endorsement of “austerity.” Many came to believe that governments should run large deficits during recessions and only slightly smaller deficits in normal times. No one seemed concerned with the possible risks, in particular to inflation and interest rates. The left championed the notion that government debt could be used to expand social programs, going beyond what could be generated by reducing military spending, while those on the right seemed to believe that taxes exist only to be cut.

The most misguided approach involved using central banks to purchase government debt, which appeared costless when short-term interest rates were zero. This idea is at the core of Modern Monetary Theory and “helicopter money.” In recent years, even prominent macroeconomists have floated the idea of having the US Federal Reserve write off government debt after soaking it up through quantitative easing, a seemingly simple solution to any potential sovereign-debt problem.

But this approach assumed that even if global real interest rates rose, any increase would be gradual and temporary. The possibility that a sharp rise in interest rates would dramatically increase interest payments on existing debt, including debt held by central banks as bank reserves, was simply dismissed. But here we are: the Fed, which previously paid zero interest on these reserves, is now paying more than 5%.

Aside from a few notable exceptions, those who championed the notion that debt is a free lunch have not acknowledged the likelihood of a new reality. At a recent conference, I listened to a well-known financial commentator who had been a staunch advocate of the “lower forever” narrative and seemed unaware that it had been thoroughly debunked. When pressed, they conceded that if interest rates do not quickly revert to the ultra-low levels of the 2010s, budget deficits might matter after all. But they were reluctant to admit that the existing debt overhang could pose a problem, as this would impugn their previous endorsements of spendthrift fiscal policies.

Similarly, in a recent paper about the record levels of global debt, presented to the world’s leading central bankers at this year’s Jackson Hole conference, Serkan Arslanalp and Barry Eichengreen appeared reticent to discuss the implications of the current debt overhang or the connection between high government debt and sluggish growth in countries like Japan and Italy.

To be sure, the next recession, whenever it occurs, will likely lead to a significant decrease in interest rates, potentially offering a temporary respite to the wildly overleveraged US commercial real-estate market, where the mantra today is “stay alive until ’25.” If property owners can endure another year of falling rents and surging financing costs, the thinking goes, a sharp drop in interest rates in 2025 could stem the tide of red ink threatening to drown their businesses.

But even if inflation declines, interest rates will likely remain higher for the next decade than they were in the decade following the 2008 financial crisis. This reflects a variety of factors, including soaring debt levels, deglobalisation, increased defense spending, the green transition, populist demands for income redistribution, and persistent inflation. Even demographic shifts, often cited as a rationale for perpetually low interest rates, may affect developed countries differently as they increase spending to support rapidly aging populations.

While the world can certainly adapt to higher interest rates, the transition is still ongoing. The shift could be particularly challenging for European economies, given that ultra-low interest rates have been the glue holding the eurozone together. The European Central Bank’s “whatever it takes” bailout policies appeared costless when interest rates were near zero, but it is unclear whether the bloc can survive future crises if real interest rates remain high.

As I have previously argued, Japan will struggle to move from its “zero forever” interest-rate policies, as its government and financial system have grown accustomed to treating debt as cost-free. In the United States, the commercial real-estate sector’s vulnerabilities, together with increased borrowing, could trigger another wave of inflation. Moreover, while major emerging economies have managed to cope with high interest rates so far, they face enormous fiscal pressures.

In this new global environment, policymakers and economists, even those who previously belonged to the “lower forever” camp, may need to reassess their beliefs in light of current market realities. While it is feasible to expand social programs or boost military capabilities without running large deficits, doing so without raising taxes is not costless. We are likely to find out the hard way that it never was.


*J Kenneth Rogoff, a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is Professor of Economics and Public Policy at Harvard University.. Copyright: Project Syndicate, 2023, and published here with permission.

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Spruikers are going to shoot you down...

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The most misguided approach involved using central banks to purchase government debt, which appeared costless when short-term interest rates were zero. This idea is at the core of Modern Monetary Theory and “helicopter money.”

Just a straight up lie! Show me where literally any MMT economist has placed QE at the core of MMT, or even advocated it's use.  

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Bill Mitchell describes the issuing of bonds as corporate welfare and unnecessary. Some MMT economists believe that the central bank should not be involved in controlling interest rates at all and that the OCR should have a natural rate of zero percent if I remember correctly and none advocate the use of QE that I have heard. Trying to steer the economy by meddling with interest rates is what causes the majority of our financial issues and a better way to control credit creation should be found and the banks have been allowed to become too dominant in the economy. Why do we need to pay the banks 8% for a mortgage when the government could give us one for free if it chose to.

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Government bonds or Corporate bonds? (Their effects are subtly different while message is very different.) I've assumed you meant government bonds.

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Yes, government bonds.

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"But even if inflation declines, interest rates will likely remain higher for the next decade than they were in the decade following the 2008 financial crisis"

I'm not sure many people are expecting interest rates to go back towards zero again, but it wouldn't surprise me if they came down a few percent from where they are now. 

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Of course they will. Our private debt is 145% of our GDP. A 7% avg debt servicing cost means that over 10% of our GDP is being transferred from mortgagors and businesses to wealthy shareholders and savers. Our economy cannot function in that state for longer than 12 months or so. We are about to see what happens when the clock runs out.     

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I can hear the bugles playing in the distance as the RBNZ readies itself to come riding to rescue. ;-)

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Maybe down 1% if you are  lucky. The possibility of it also going up 1% is not completely off the table either. I'm just waiting for the next global economic shock and the way its all going it would appear the chances of a major war on this planet is only increasing, not decreasing as one would expect if we were advancing as an intelligent species..

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Agreed.

Our RB is picking the long-run nominal neutral OCR as being 2.5% (That up from 2.25% in the Aug MPS.)

See page 20, https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/project/sites/rbnz/files/publications/…

Add bank margins of 2% (scoundrels and thieves) - that takes us up to 4.5% for retail rates on mortgages.

Seems like a return to normal to me.

What am I missing?

(And don't quote this article unless you can explain and justify the one liners used.)

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Wow, I haven't shouted macroeconomic BS bingo so early in an article before. This is catastrophically bad analysis. Let's have a look...

  • It is now past time to revisit the widely prevailing “free lunch” view of government debt

Yawn. The Govt debt is the total amount the Govt has spent into the economy (creating private sector financial assets) minus the total amount the Govt has taxed back out of the economy (destroying private financial assets). Govt chooses to sell Govt Bonds to soak up excess cash in the economy and In most economies (bar Japan), Govt pays interest on those bonds. Govt bonds provide the bedrock of pension funds (in NZ they are a decent chunk of kiwisaver, ACC fund etc). Anyone who understands this knows that the main risk of high Govt debt (or a short burst of Govt spending in a short time) is inflation caused by demand well exceeding productive capacity. The idea that 'too much' Govt debt pushes interest rates up is plain nonsense.

  • Many came to believe that governments should run large deficits during recessions and only slightly smaller deficits in normal times.  

The correct bit here is that Govt investment should be counter-cyclical to prevent booms and busts. As private sector borrowing / investment falls, Govt should step in with sensible productivity-increasing investments. Why? Because otherwise the economy crashes and Govts end up spending on non-productive stuff (welfare, grants to help businesses survive etc). What the author misses though is that Govts with trade surpluses will generally run counter-cyclical surpluses and deficits.

  • In recent years, even prominent macroeconomists have floated the idea of having the US Federal Reserve write off government debt after soaking it up through quantitative easing, a seemingly simple solution to any potential sovereign-debt problem.

Imagine being chief economist at the IMF and not knowing how Govt / central bank monetary operations works? When central banks buy Govt bonds they deposit brand new money into banks' settlement account (reserve) balances. The extra balance in the settlement account becomes the Govt debt. The bond becomes an IOU between the Govt's left pocket and it's right pocket - the debt cancels out as a central bank asset and a Govt liability. You can write the bond off (if you wanted to) but you don't wipe the debt because it is in the settlement account balance! Jeez.

I can't be bothered with the rest of the nonsense bearing in mind this fellow has been warning about Japan being on the verge of imminent collapse for decades. 

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Am I wrong to assume that you must be neck deep drowning in debt?

I can feel you are wishing so hard for cheap money again and trying to convince everyone rate cut is imminent on a daily basis for the last few years.

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Not everyones view of the world is determined by what they think is best for themselves

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I'm neck deep in debt but not drowning. Two years ago I was awash with cash. Bottom feeding is like that.

But I know interest rates will come down. The same way I know that many forces will pretend they'll stay high because they make money from it.

Once they do come down - I can indulge my hobby again - spare cashflow will make it possible.

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Yes, you are wrong. I have ridden three housing booms in as many countries.

I am not wishing for 'cheap money'. I am wishing for an economic system that does not reliant on keeping private sector debt high and the housing ponzi stoked.  

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Thanks again for your posts. Everyone has an opinion,  but you explain more than anyone the rationale to your thinking. Keep up the good work. 

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Okay - I read it. But it's far too unreasoned to believe the base assertion of HFL.

i.e. "But even if inflation declines [due to CB responses to a recession], interest rates will likely remain higher for the next decade than they were in the decade following the 2008 financial crisis."

But the reasons given are not explained, nor justified sufficiently to back the assertion. Take this for example, "This reflects a variety of factors, including soaring debt levels, deglobalisation, increased defense spending, the green transition, populist demands for income redistribution, and persistent inflation." None of those reasons are explained within the context of the assertion. And the last, persistent inflation, is such a red herring as to be absurd.

And this: "In the United States, the commercial real-estate sector’s vulnerabilities, together with increased borrowing, could trigger another wave of inflation." Not explained. But based on those words alone I'd expect it more likely to cause a meltdown like a mini GFC and for interest rates to come crashing down as CBs tried to manage the contagion.

FYI ... Harvard is massively rich and holds a huge portfolios of assets. (Could he be talking up their book?)

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Aside from Central Government borrowings being an increasing burden on the tax payer, the increasing cost of borrowing is also now being passed onto rate payers and we ain't seen nothing yet. This is when as a country we're finding out how broke we really are. 

The tide is STILL going out. 

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re ... "The tide is STILL going out."

Sure is. Every sign says so. 

The RBNZ won't be ignoring the signs. What they are doing - rightly or wrongly - is making sure every business and employee in NZ Inc. sees them too. Only then, when inflation comes down - will they relax their stance. When? As I've said, soon after Christmas once the info is all in and pain is being shared by many more (excepted the older and wealthier who are loving it)

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What? The higher the Govt debt, the more money the private sector has. Govt debt = private sector asset. NZ Govt also bizarrely has a net positive financial worth. We owe the Govt more than they owe us. 

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Yep. Debt without supporting income is about to be no fun.

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The author seems to be unaware that the majority of the worlds money supply is created by the commercial banks as credit through their lending and that it is the high levels of this private sector created debt which eventually leads to economic downturns and not government debt which is just a measure of our monetary base of domestic currency which the government has spent into existence but has not yet taxed back and cancelled and which we now hold as our net savings. .  

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Rogoff

I think he probably gets it but is spinning his own theories (or grinding his own axe - take your pick).

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This is the standard for big tertiary in the US these days. It is not high.

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