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US data largely positive driving risk rally; Swiss cut rates again; OECD sees expanding global economy; China boosts its stimulus again; UST 10yr 3.79%; gold up again and oil down again, NZ$1 = 63.3 USc; TWI = 70.6

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US data largely positive driving risk rally; Swiss cut rates again; OECD sees expanding global economy; China boosts its stimulus again; UST 10yr 3.79%; gold up again and oil down again, NZ$1 = 63.3 USc; TWI = 70.6

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand with news China is trying to get back on track to keep up with the US economically.

First in the US, the number of initial claims for unemployment benefits fell again last week and by more than expected to 181,000. In fact there has been a consistent reduction each week since the end of July. There are now only 1.63 mln people on these benefits.

American durable goods orders came in better than expected too in August. After an unexpected jump in July, they were expected to fall back sharpish. They did but not by anything like what was expected. In actual terms they rose +7.5% from July to be level-pegging with a year ago. The embedded year-on-year negative has now been extinguished. Capital good orders rose in August to be +2.5% higher than a year ago. This too is a bright recovery.

There were no surprises in the US Q2 final GDP result, with their economic activity growing +3.0% 'real' and almost double the +1.6% expansion in Q1. For the full year to June, there was US$29 tln in economic activity recorded, a fast pace of expansion for the world's largest economy. By some estimates, that +3% pace has continued into Q3.

It is not all good, or even even. The Kansas City Fed's factory survey retreated in its September review, even if expectations for future activity stayed positive.

Again, there was good support for today's US Treasury 7 year bond auction. It went for a median yield of 3.61%, down from 3.71% at the equivalent event a month ago. And that is despite secondary benchmark yields rising slightly today.

And as expected, the Swiss National Bank cut its key policy rate by -25 bps to 1% at their overnight meeting, a third consecutive reduction and pushing borrowing costs to the lowest since early 2023.

Aussie job vacancies continue to fall. There were 330,000 job vacancies in August, down by 18,000 from May, and well down from the peak of 473,000 in May 2022. Their labour market stats shows there were 623,200 unemployed people in the same month, of which 418,500 were supposedly looking for full-time work.

The OECD said the global economy is turning the corner as growth remained resilient through the first half of 2024, with declining inflation, though significant risks remain, according to the OECD’s latest Interim Economic Outlook. With robust growth in trade, improvements in real incomes and a more accommodative monetary policy in many economies, the Outlook projects global growth persevering at 3.2% in 2024 and 2025, after 3.1% in 2023. Global inflation is projected to be back to central bank targets in most G20 economies by the end of 2025. Headline inflation in the G20 economies is projected to ease to 5.4% in 2024 and 3.3% in 2025, down from 6.1% in 2023, with core inflation in the G20 advanced economies easing to 2.7% in 2024 and 2.1% in 2025.

Container freight rates fell -7% last week from the prior week, to be +160% higher than the pre-pandemic levels and back to levels we last saw at the start of 2024. All the latest reductions were on routes outbound from China. Bulk cargo rates were up +6.6% last week to be +25% higher than a year ago.

In China, Beijing has asked its four top state-owned banks to cover for it with lending that may not make a lot of commercial sense. Now Bloomberg is reporting that they are moving to bolster the capital in these key institutions. The amount of added capital required is enormous.

And we are starting to see some movement in some commodity prices, responding to the Chinese stimulus program. For example the copper price is back above US$10,000/tonne which is approaching the upper limits of where it has been since its first rise in 2011. Iron ore or rebar steel aren't moving, but zinc is.

The UST 10yr yield is now at just on 3.79% and unchanged from yesterday. The key 2-10 yield curve is up now +19 bps positive. Their 1-5 curve inversion is still inverted by -42 bps. And their 3 mth-10yr curve inversion is now at -92 bps. The Australian 10 year bond yield starts today at 3.97% and down -1 bp. The China 10 year bond rate is at 2.07% and unchanged. The NZ Government 10 year bond rate is now just on 4.26% and up +2 bps.

Wall Street is up +0.4% on the S&P500 and a new record high. Overnight European markets were all up but in a broad range with London up +0.2%, Frankfurt up +1.7% and Paris up +2.3%. Yesterday Tokyo was up +2.8%. Hong Kong surged +4.2% and Shanghai rose +3.6%. The PBoC 'put' is driving this. But Singapore was unchanged. The ASX200 finished its Thursday session up +1.0%, and the NZX50 ended up its own strong +2.2% after a late surge of its own.

The price of gold will start today at US$2670/oz and up +US$9 from yesterday to yet another new all-time high.

Oil prices have fallen another -US$2 to US$67.50/bbl in the US while the international Brent price is now just on US$71.50/bbl. The Saudis seem to have surrendered the idea that production cutbacks will juice the price in their favour. They are shifting to pump more and regain market share.

The Kiwi dollar starts today in a yoyo pattern at 63.3 USc and back up +60 bps from this time yesterday. Against the Aussie we are unchanged at 91.8 AUc. Against the euro we are up +30 bps at 56.6 euro cents. That all means our TWI-5 starts today at 70.6, and back up +30 bps from yesterday.

The bitcoin price starts today at US$65,167 and up +3.3% from this time yesterday. Volatility over the past 24 hours has been moderate at just on +/- 2.9%.

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They are shiting to pump more

?!

Edit: you beat me to it!

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And I thought I was fast enough to correct that before anyone read it. Obviously not. You were quick!

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😂

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Risk=ON 

A solid few years of gains across asset classes, as money gets cheaper around the world.

 

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Hold your horses

It will come, but you are a year early 

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Hurricane Helene is about to smash into Florida. It's just been up-rated into a cat 3 and may even make it into a cat 4 before landfall. It's going to pass close to Tallahassee, the state capital where noted climate change denier Ron de Santis runs the state from - and is likely to inflict significant damage.

The cumulative damage from hurricanes is causing insurance rates in Florida to rocket - so much so that Florida is now starting to lose homeowners because of out of control premiums:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/florida-beginning-lose-homeowners-over-181000978.html

 

There is only ever one winner when physics and denialism collide.............

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Insurance cost will be the straw that breaks the camels back.....for some homeowners or many of them worldwide??

Our NZ insurance rates for homes maybe currently still cheap??  Next big NZ wide storm, could see a massive Florida/Cali style reset of upto 50 to 200% increases here too?  Rendering some homeowners effectively destitute.....or the real owner (bank) in the shist.

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There were so many low pressure systems in the tropics this year. Only El Niño prevented them heading south. Our next La Niña summer will be carnage for the North Island

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I am regularly hearing tales of folk being refused insurance.  ( admittedly it's scattered)

Two young relatives at the mo.  1.  Looking to buy a Wellington Apartment.  "Cash only" offers accepted on some.  Which is code for what?  Uninsurable and not able to get a mortgage on it ?   2.  Has sold the house but settlement in the future.  Purchaser not able to renew the insurance so far.  Which could lead to no finance?  Not able to settle?  So then my relative not able to settle on her new purchase.  Arrrgh.

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What's Wellington's insurance premiums rising for? Isn't the prevailing Northerly gale force pretty much constantly?

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The risk weightings will be high there for earthquake I'd imagine, plus there's the logistics of getting a rebuild done such as the outrageous cost of traffic management etc that will make it verrrry spenny. 

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In addition to earthquake the specific climate impacts

climate change extremes indicates Wellington city and the greater Wellington region will experience:

More intense and frequent weather events

Coastline changes and flooding due to sea level rise and storm surge

More unpredictability around our water supply and agricultural areas.

Heads up though, this is based on science so some people will claim conspiracy or something 

https://wellington.govt.nz/climate-change-sustainability-environment/cl…

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Initially I think you're correct, but then other changes will follow. The insurance industry is a rip off rort that is increasingly becoming evident and public demand and awareness will force a change there, plus people will need to reconsider where they choose to build, and how the buildings are constructed. 

Governments will need to get involved before something significant happens, but the pollies will be reluctant initially, especially since the major insurance companies are very wealthy.

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Those poor insurance companies are really struggling in the catastrophe market getting by with only 14% returns. We all need to do our best to help them out.

https://www.artemis.bm/catastrophe-bond-market-yield/

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Could be an opportunity for Harris,  some polls have her within a few points of Trump in Florida.

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Not heard of the Weather/Trump collusion story before. Got any links?

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The forecasters will be relieved. They finally got a hurricane.

"CNN  —  It’s early September – what should be the busiest stretch of hurricane season. Forecasters predicted this one was going to be bad:the most bullish forecasts on record.

Instead, the Atlantic Ocean is enveloped in a rare and strange calm that has flummoxed forecasters and reset their expectations. ...Despite ideal conditions that fueled pre-season predictions of upwards of 20 named storms, the immediate prospects for one are low, and none have formed in the Atlantic since Ernesto in August – a streak unmatched in 56 years."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/06/weather/hurricane-season-atlantic-st…

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I scrolled up.  Had a nice ride over the pacific, toured the artic, saw a bit of europe and then a long trip over Africa.  Couldn't find Florida, ended up back where i started!  But i heard the earth was flat, something going on here.  

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Its somewhere near Taupo.

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Re: Florida and insurance, I posted this podcast a week or so ago. If you own property, are thinking of buying property or rely on property investment doing well you should listen to his and think through the implications for your personal situation. Florida are a few years/months ahead of NZ but this is what's coming. 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7igh3RDF6IFjthLYBYLAlG?si=OlT-ucPvSACz…

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Gold up, up and up 😁

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Yes the Gold legs, are strong as an ox.
Looking for some massive near future strides in Silver, as it must be on track to break the last high of near $US50.00oz
Commodities - Bloomberg

Wondering if all the new China stimulus cash, makes it way largely into the gold and silver physical market?? and not their beleaguered and crises ridden poooperty market?
This would make the CCP most unhappy.....but the Chinese were once canny investors and the gold market has a new resurgent shine!!

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The wrong context for me. Currencies as we all know are backed by nothing and constantly depreciating.  Gold is just gold: steady as a (pet) rock.

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Rubbish. Currencies are essentially backed by the assets of the economies that issue issues them. This also includes the quality of government and management of that economy. While a simplification, it must be understood that there are complexities. For example the US$ is the international reserve currency and a lot of international trading is done in it, added to the fact the internally the US economy is the largest one in the world (although that is likely open for challenge).

The only currencies which are backed by nothing is the crypto currencies.

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Rubbish. Currencies are essentially backed by the assets of the economies that issue issues them.

So if the USD is backed by the USD inc then its trading insolvent?

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You made me smile. But I really do think that there is some weight to your point. For all intents and purposes considering the total picture it is hard to understand why the US$ holds it's value to the degree it does. But one of the complexities is the emotional component, the same as the share market. The US economy is clearly seen as one of the safest as well as largest in the world. While China's or India's may pass the US some time in the future, will they be considered as 'safe'. I also think that due to the way the US is going 'safe' may well be debatable too.

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Speaking on Nine to Noon, Mainfreight group managing director Don Braid said the industry was "living in a question mark" with no idea what the government was going to do.

Treason 🤧 

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So much for a ‘pro-business’ government 

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What did he say when Labour sat on their hands refusing  to make a decision for months last year ?

The owner of Mainfreight is a major donor to the Maori party.

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Do you have a source for the owner of Mainfreight being a major donor to the Maori party? I have this source that says in 2014 he donated $100,000 to Te Pati Maori and $45,000 to National and then $100,000 to TPM and nothing to National in 2017, no donations are mentioned for 2023 and it's a recent article. The article also points out why he donated to TPM: 

I had 26 Māori living next door to me as a kid and I regarded it as the greatest advantage that I ever had. I learned the way Māori think and I certainly learned how to pronounce the language correctly and my desire is to help them because, you know, they were my best mates."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/527511/mainfreight-co-founder-bruce-plested-on-business-charity-tax-and-clean-toilets

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I used to live next door to 26 Maori , but have now shifted to a more suitable area.

 

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Gross comment rastus. Usually your input has some quality thought to it.

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Probably at KW's house having a giggle and thumping each other on the back

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"...Mainfreight, whose owner Bruce Plested has previously given big donations to National, but in recent elections been a major donor to the Māori Party (totalling $360,000)."

https://democracyproject.nz/2023/08/25/bryce-edwards-who-is-funding-nat…

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"Recent elections" are the key words there, it refers to 2017 and before, Bruce Plested has made no significant donations (if any) since then. The biggest donor in 2023 to TPM was John Tamihere ($50k), it's public information at elections.nz (Edit to add - Google just brought up the elections site, I wasn't aware of it before posting my above comment)

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Why should they consult on calling a very sensible halt & review on a total billion $ shambles that Labour dithered over for months 

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I guess the answer will present itself when we find out what second rate solution we will end up with, and the cost relative to the original Ferrari. 

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The Ferrari wasn't the problem, Kiwirail were trying to get us to build a garage but you could have had the whole dealership for where the costs were heading. 

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Why did we cancel Ferrari and not just the garage? 

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Keeping the Ferrari on the street doesn't work in real like. Or in this metaphor really.

The rail ferries were the driver of the extent of the portside infra needed. Almost all of the cost issues are to do with that. 

You can still buy the Ferrari, but you'll have to get in through the window. 

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May be wrong but I think most of the cost increases came from new standards around earthquake strengthening and building the ports to last for 100 years. The boats themselves weren't actually that expensive for what they were.

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The boats were never the problem, although Robertson did express concern about the initial decision to go down that route in the first place, and there have been rumblings about the location decision this week too (supposedly Wellington did not want to give up their Port, which was already sufficiently strengthened and should have been a candidate).

I'd like to know if it would have been cheaper to just build the boats and then sell / lease them out to another operator globally than the cancellation, but we wouldn't have had the portside infrastructure to run them anymore. 

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Clearly Labour didn't do their due diligence here, but I also think National has their own share of the blame here being so quick to cancel them when they clearly didn't have any alternative plan in place. And honestly I think we are going to end up with something that is worse that somehow still costs the same amount.

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I think you and E46 are saying what most people are thinking. "The boats were never the problem" I assume you're talking about the replacement boats? I have less problem with those, as capable ships with a decent life span will not be cheap. I also agree with Winnie that any strait ferry service must be rail enabled, otherwise we are just imposing a huge extra cost on any rail system in the country (or creating two separate rail companies?).

Ultimately though, despite the government's rhetoric I think the tax payer are going to have to suck a a lot more cost in the long term because of what they have done.

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The governments idiotic Ferrari analogy certainly hasn't helped the discourse when the boats themselves were never the primary issue.

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"The boats were never the problem"

Apart from being too long to use the Tory Channel entrance so having to go through Qeen Charlotte & also having to turn around in Queen Charlotte to reverse berth in Picton.

Not mentioned until this year & both  extending the passage time significantly.

Then there's the Kiwirail "rail enabled" poison pill...

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Jesus Christ, is there any position the coalition takes you will not defend. This is literally the freight industry saying the coalition is clueless. Yesterday it was the banking sector. Before that it was the transport industry. Before that is was Health. Before that it was Education. 

You're doing National no favours with your fanboy comments. This version of National under Luxon is the worse ever National party. Take your blinkers off, listen to the experts and assess what they are actually doing. They are worse than useless, they are performing economic vandalism based on ideology.  

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Could not have out it any better!

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No need, we know the answer. It'll have the pricetag of two Ferraris, but once you lift the covers you'll find out it's just a 90s Toyota MR2 with some fibreglass glued on and an Alibaba Ferrari badge.

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Because that "halt & review" is likely going to end up costing more than just doing the thing in the first place.

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Willis has said her option will be cheaper , not that it will cost less. 

If she blames the billion or so of lost costs on Labour , she can probably come up with a "cheaper " ferry option. 

 

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It will be interesting to see what happens in Timaru today. If only we ate more beef and lamb. It's your patriotic duty and very good nutrition.

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Maybe their patriotic duty should have been to not discharge contaminants into creeks and the ocean near Caroline Bay?

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It wasn't like it was deliberate.

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You sure about that? Might be the build up of fat plaques in their arteries resulting in poor decisions?

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Yeah but when you have multiple instances of it happening, when does it becomes negligence?

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Full closure I hope.

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You got your wish.  Do you not feel bad for the people who lost their jobs ?

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Hundreds of jobs to go at Timaru meatworks plant under new proposal. Plant to close.

Chief executive Willie Wiese said the proposed closure was due to a decline in sheep processing numbers as a result of land-use change, which had resulted in surplus capacity in the company’s plant network.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350431061/hundreds-jobs-go-timaru-meatw…

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That's very tough for these workers, and t's not the last closure either.  I have been telling people on this site who cheerlead higher interest rates to "kill the housing ponzi" be careful what you wish for, higher rates don't just affect property prices, of course I was  accused of being a "spruiker".  Now the effects of higher interest rates are starting to get real, and not just for property owners.  That's very tough!

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Looks like nobody wants to live within their means...

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/mayor-calls-people-voice-their-o…

"Dunedin is "right to be outraged" by a proposal to downgrade the city’s new hospital and should turn out en masse to campaign against the government’s cuts, Mayor Jules Radich says."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/529108/a-financial-crunch-is-comin…

"An ageing population, combined with higher-than-expected government debt and structural fiscal deficits, poses a major financial challenge for New Zealand, Treasury's deputy secretary and chief economic adviser says"

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""The 2006 LTFS projected net core Crown debt to be around 13 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the year ending June 2020," Stephens said.

"It was instead around 26 percent of GDP and has subsequently risen to 39.3 percenT"

Thanks Grant Robertson!

oh The irony ...Look who wades on in ....

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/hard-work-undone-clinicians

"University of Otago vice-chancellor Grant Robertson said the university was "disappointed" with the government’s announcement. "A robust public hospital system is essential not only for the health of our community but also for providing our students with the hands-on experience necessary to excel in their professions," Mr Robertson said.

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Yes well I'm afraid that Mr Robertson is going to have to take that up with the Finance Minister who managed to somehow turn a huge increase in Crown Revenue into practically nothing of value while our debt position also increased. 

Oh wait.

 

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With an aging population, hospitals are one thing we definitely should be investing in!

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Won't be too long until a proportion of tax that goes into the public health system is going offshore as margin to investors.

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Not convinced about throwing millions at oldies on their death bed

With a shrinking wallet, I would argue the youth should be prioritised

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After having millions of dollars of capital gains thrown at them with their houses they purchased for $30,000 in 1970.

Perhaps they could downsize their houses to free up cash to crowd fund the fancy new hospital they need for the health issues they need treatment for now they are old? 

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How many or what portion of the elderly age bracket do you think that solution will work for?

Do you also resent people who bought homes in the 80s, 90s and 2000's who reaped the benefit of incompetent governmental management of the economy?

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One of the many tragedies of the current New Zealand housing approach is that all tho oldies that live in big houses in the suburban sprawl are going to find themselves isolated from services, friends and recreation. 

If we'd had a more sensible approach to housing, with a variety of different types of housing close to town centres we would have had lower house prices and people would be able to move between different housing sizes in the same location as their needs change over the course of their lives. Now the choice will be retirement home / assisted living or solitude and isolation. 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/tararua-news/living-without…

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That's fine. Just have a whip-around the people of Dunedin instead. $2b at 130K is roughly $16K for every man, woman and child. 

Just get them to pop a cheque in the post and then they can build whatever they like. 

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It would be servicing a much larger area than just Dunedin. $16k per person honestly doesn't seem that bad if you amortize that cost over the life cycle of the hospital.

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Yes Invercargill already services a huge catchment are including Queenstown, and many get referred for operations up in Dunedin from down south as Health NZ down there is pretty swamped. I have family working there and it doesn't sound sustainable on the current trajectory.

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For a government that supposedly believes charter schools free from irksome Ministry edicts will perform much better than regular schools, it's surprising how many irksome Ministry edicts they are issuing.

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Seymour is the biggest hypocrite of any of the coalition partners. He's also a bit thick. Fantastic at sucking in people with soundbites though. 

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