Wednesday's Covid-19 update: 23 new cases, all in Auckland

23 new cases on Wednesday, with one unlinked; Auckland reaches 80% vaccination rate

22nd Sep 21, 1:19pm by David Hargreaves

The Ministry of Health is reporting 23 new Covid cases, all in Auckland.

The latest case numbers are up from 14 on Tuesday.

Of the latest cases, one was not linked, while the one unlinked case from Tuesday remained unlinked at this stage.

Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield said of the 23 latest cases, 11 were household contacts, with six of these in one house.

It brings the total in this outbreak to 1108, with 835 of these now recovered.

There were 13 people in hospital, all in Auckland, with two in ICU.

There were 53,000 vaccinations on Tuesday.

Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said 80% of Aucklanders had now received at least one dose of vaccine. Nationally the number stood at 75%. The rate among Maori was 52% and among Pasifika 67%.

He believed a 90% rate for the whole country was achievable.

Hipkins, wearing another of his hats as Education Minister, announced further NCEA support for Auckland students (see release at bottom of this article).

This is the detailed update from the Ministry of Health:

Cases
Number of new community cases	23
Number of new cases identified at the border	One
Location of new cases	Auckland
Location of community cases (total)	Auckland (including 4 cases in Upper Hauraki) 1,091 (818 of whom have recovered); Wellington 17 (all of whom have recovered);
Number of community cases (total)	1,108 (in current community outbreak)
Cases infectious in the community	Seven (50%) of yesterday’s cases have exposure events
Cases in isolation throughout the period they were infectious	Seven (50%) of yesterday’s cases
Cases epidemiologically linked	22 of today’s cases
Cases to be epidemiologically linked	1 of today’s cases
Cases epidemiologically linked (total)	1,080 (in current cluster) (7 unlinked from past fortnight)
Number of sub-clusters	Ten epidemiologically linked subclusters. Of these, two are active, seven are contained and one is dormant. There are eleven epidemiologically unlinked subclusters. Of these, three are active, three are contained and five are dormant
Cases in hospital	13 (total): Auckland (3); Middlemore (10).
Cases in ICU or HDU	Two
Confirmed cases (total)	3,763 since pandemic began
Historical cases, since 1 Jan 2021 (total)	152 out of 1,945 since 1 Jan 2021
Contacts
Number of active contacts being managed (total)	1,282
Percentage who have received an outbound call from contact tracers (to confirm testing and isolation requirements)	93%
Percentage with at least one test result	89%
Locations of interest
Locations of interest (total)	126 (as at 10am 21 September)
Tests
Number of tests (total)	3,267,861
Total number of laboratory tests processed (last 24 hours)	18,877
Tests rolling average (last 7 days)	13,510
Swabs taken in Auckland (last 24 hours)	9780
Testing centres in Auckland	22
Wastewater
Wastewater detections	No unexpected detections in ESR’s latest testing
COVID-19 vaccine update
Vaccines administered to date (total)	4,817,214 1st doses: 3,146,149; 2nd doses: 1,671,065
Vaccines administered yesterday (total)	53,721; 1st doses: 27,534 2nd doses: 26,187
Mâori	1st doses: 298,008 2nd doses: 145,965
Pacific Peoples	1st doses: 192,841 2nd doses: 102,109
NZ COVID-19 tracer
Registered users (total)	3,240,718
Poster scans (total)	375,582,697
Manual diary entries (total)	16,778,429
Poster scans in 24 hours to midday yesterday	2,319,996

Historical cases identified at the border

Arrival date	From	Via	Positive test day/reason	Managed isolation/quarantine location
20 September	Canada	USA	Day 0 / routine	Wellington

This is the NCEA release from Hipkins:

The number of Learning Recognition Credits for senior secondary school students will be increased for Auckland students, Education Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed today.

This recognises the extended time these students will spend in Alert Levels 3 and 4.

“It means students in Auckland will have a fair opportunity to attain NCEA, despite the additional disruption they have experienced,” Chris Hipkins says.

Auckland students will be entitled to 1 Learning Recognition Credit (LRC) for every 4 credits they achieve through assessment in the 2021 school year, rather than 1 LRC for every 5.

They will be eligible for up to 16 LRCs at NCEA Level 1, and 12 LRCs at levels 2 and 3, instead of the current caps for students who have spent 16 days or 20 days under Alert Levels 3 or 4.

The threshold for Auckland students to be awarded a Certificate Endorsement will also be adjusted to 44 credits at Merit or Excellence level, rather than 46 for students who were able to return to classroom learning sooner.

“These changes are a full reactivation of the support provided to Auckland in 2020, following their second lockdown,” Chris Hipkins says.

“The disproportionate impact of disruption from COVID-19 on Auckland also means some students and their families may be apprehensive about returning to school, and it will take time for students to readjust to classroom learning.

“The opportunity to earn additional LRCs provides reassurance to students that their qualification and awards remain within reach.

“I would also like to thank schools, teachers and whānau in Auckland for the work they have done and continue to do to support students at this time,” Chris Hipkins says.

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112 Comments

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 1:28pm 1632274081

Well now still tracking. According to Stuff this morning Mr Delta had infiltrated several of the black leathered motor cycle brethren, patched and un patched. Would be interested to know the count from thence included in these figures today. Would be even more interested to know how exactly that count was taken and that the counters are all safe and sound.

by PonziKiwi | 22nd Sep 21, 1:36pm 1632274598

Yep that's major

The clubs and their associates are not exactly complient with their whereabouts.

I wonder how big the mongrel mob club spreader is? Its scary that hells angels club prospect tested positive in Mt Eden.

by Squishy | 22nd Sep 21, 2:05pm 1632276303

Couldn't be transmitted between a nicer bunch. Unfortunate if it gets transmitted onwards however.

by Sluggy | 22nd Sep 21, 2:08pm 1632276494

Why is that scary ? Because its Mt Eden ?

Dont worry, they have a big fence and cameras everywhere to keep you out. Also mostly they are wearing helmets.

by PonziKiwi | 22nd Sep 21, 2:11pm 1632276665

Cause I like Mt Eden

Yeah their place in Brentwood Ave is well secure

by Lord Dowding | 22nd Sep 21, 3:22pm 1632280963

Yes hardly scary we used to jump the fence and fetch our displaced football all the time next door at Grammar.

by PonziKiwi | 22nd Sep 21, 3:42pm 1632282132

Grammer is nowhere close to Brentwood Ave

by sharetrader | 22nd Sep 21, 1:27pm 1632274074

is one of the sub clusters that still active the gangs? if so good luck finding them all and stopping them from travelling around

by GV 27 | 22nd Sep 21, 1:29pm 1632274170

Who would have thought making excuses for people for years and telling them nothing they ever do is their fault would have consequences.

by sparrow | 22nd Sep 21, 2:19pm 1632277148

I hope they've got a good ring of security around all the gang houses that are supposed to be isolating.

by kiwichas | 22nd Sep 21, 3:31pm 1632281472

No, that would be construed as racist.

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 3:43pm 1632282182

Just call ‘em Gangbusters then.

by CWBW | 22nd Sep 21, 1:28pm 1632274108

What's the target now? 90% before cutting it loose or indefinitely until a committee approves? Making people having to even ask is like an inmate petitioning for a parole hearing.

by JimboJones | 22nd Sep 21, 2:11pm 1632276685

I would prefer target date rather than a target percentage. For example, in no later than 4 weeks time Auckland will go to level 2 regardless of the number of cases. That should give people the kick up the arse they need, and anyone who doesn't get vaxinated by then probably never will anyway. As someone who is double vaxed I am getting sick of waiting and I am sure I'm not the only one...

by lowercase capitalist | 22nd Sep 21, 2:30pm 1632277842

But it's not only the unvaccinated themselves who would be at risk by letting 'er rip. The danger is that if unvaxxed get sick the health system will get overloaded and it will be cancer patients or heart attacks dying.

by kpnuts | 22nd Sep 21, 3:41pm 1632282077

they already have been -- lost a friend to cancer this year -- all her tests and stuff had been delayed and delayed because of lockdowns or backlogs and lo an behold first scan she eventually got - stage 4 -- 8 weeks later gone -- did not need to happen but did -- yes its anectdotal and one person but i have heard many similar stories -- and 6 months after my initial referral still waiting for my specialist appointment for a hip op that the x-rays i paid for myself identified as being essential and needed now.

by Cheetahlegs66 | 22nd Sep 21, 6:14pm 1632291251

If you are going through the public system at Counties Manukau, ask your orthopaedic surgeon what the point system entails to determine priority? Then ask if ethnicity carries any relevance. Im not familiar with this DHB but access to medicines including rosuvastatin and empagliflozin have special authority criteria where ethnicity adds to eligibility. Good luck.

by JimboJones | 22nd Sep 21, 3:50pm 1632282639

So what's the solution, stay in level 3/4 forever?

by lowercase capitalist | 22nd Sep 21, 3:55pm 1632282922

No, stay in level 3/4 for a few more weeks then go back to level 1. The alternative seems to be level 2 in perpetuity judging by the just live with it countries.

Seems better for the economy to just rip the bandage off and be done with it.

by Sluggy | 22nd Sep 21, 4:13pm 1632283981

I follow a lot of motorsport, seems to me the states is just carrying on as normal. Goodwood was on last week, not a mask in sight, friends from the UK in Portugal and Canada

NZ - in the closet waiting for the PR anti elimination spin before exiting.

by lowercase capitalist | 22nd Sep 21, 4:35pm 1632285344

The USA also had 2000 people die yesterday but sports and other events are back on.

Swings and roundabouts.

by LASSET | 22nd Sep 21, 4:08pm 1632283737

Well you might have to just cool your jets a bit. This is a marathon, not a sprint. We'll be fighting this for years. Masks and restrictions are not going away. Plenty of people from our business in the 20-40 age group are booked, but still waiting for their first jab. And then it's a 6 week wait for the second. We only just got our first, and we booked on the first day it was available for us.

by JimboJones | 22nd Sep 21, 4:15pm 1632284140

That 6 week wait between vaccines could be 3. I don't want an extra 3 weeks of level 3 lockdown for a marginally better vaccine outcome.

Yes we will be fighting it forever, but we can't fight it with level 3/4 lockdowns forever. At some stage we have to say enough is enough, we have vaccines, they aren't amazing but much better than nothing, time to bite the bullet. That time should be as soon as possible. I can't imagine fully vaccinated people are going to put up with level 3/4 lockdown for months to come.

by sparrow | 22nd Sep 21, 4:29pm 1632284993

Especially in Auckland, there's no need to wait. The book my vaccine site doesn't list all the pharmacies etc that have free slots.

https://vaxx.nz/ gives an overview of free bookings by location.

by Computer | 22nd Sep 21, 6:17pm 1632291454

It's not quite that black & white unfortunately.

"However, the 20-fold decrease in risk afforded by the vaccine isn’t enough to offset the 32-fold increase in underlying risk of death of a 80-year-old compared to a 45-year-old. Given the same risk of infection, we would still expect to see a higher proportion of double-vaccinated 80-year-olds die from covid than unvaccinated 40-year-olds. There are caveats to that simple calculation. The risk of infection is not the same for all age groups. Currently, infection rates are higher in the young and lower in older age groups."

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-…

My parents are in their 80's and both going through the vaccination process. That is no guarantee of survival against covid. Thanks China.

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 6:54pm 1632293652

That is the rub, and exactly so. NZ is yet to discover that vaccination will offer protection in a most unpredictable fashion. Each individual has their own unique set of physical condition and features. Will it protect a senior with underlying respiratory problems any better than a young but obese smoker and heavy drinker? It is impossible to formulate any accuracy into such outcomes on that on a wide scale and it is fair to say that NZ, with a history pleasingly unscarred by high covid deaths, is ill prepared to cope with the reality of that when it starts to strike home.

by Solve_it | 22nd Sep 21, 1:38pm 1632274701

I admire the positivity but suspect 90% may be an unrealistic target.

by Mrs The Point | 22nd Sep 21, 1:44pm 1632275044

Yep, daily vax rate has nearly halved from a few weeks back and expect that to keep falling. Running out of willing pin cushions.

by realterms | 22nd Sep 21, 1:53pm 1632275618

Over 80% (of eligible) in AKL now though, and still first doses going. May not get 90% but 85% would be pretty good.

by Nifty1 | 22nd Sep 21, 2:00pm 1632276039

Does it matter, one of the goals is to be able to travel in and out of Auckland freely right I.e level 2? How can that happen if the rest of the countries vaccination rate is so low...How are they going to motivate the rest of NZ to vaccinate when they haven't had covid cases...

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 2:19pm 1632277177

90% or whatever. What is more telling is the absence of any indication of what happens at that point. The government has repeatedly claimed setting a vaccine target to be counterproductive. But by now they must have worked the model to arrive at what level vaccination coverage takes sufficient risk off the potential for the health system to be overwhelmed by covid admissions. Hell that vital consideration has been around for 18 months now. NZ people have been patient and compliant, they have a right to know after all of that and time involved, what lies in store.

by kpnuts | 22nd Sep 21, 3:45pm 1632282315

ha ha -- you make it sound like they have an idea and are not sharing --- They have no idea its all made up on the hoof -- no forward planning at all! Been asking the MOH for three months now about what the plan is for delivering health services in the community once Covid is circulating and lockdowns are finished -- still waiting for any reply - there was no plan in place for a Delta outbreak -- just the same tired plan from the previous lockdown -- look at the border testing -- was made up at cabinet and announced at the presser and moh officials, businesses, truckers had no idea until the 4pm presser -- adn only after some very quick lobbying - ie there will be no food on shelves out of auckland within 48 hours -- did they announce a week to comply !

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 4:00pm 1632283228

in the interests of moderate neutrality I was giving the government the benefit of the doubt. But yes and resignedly, I doubt that there was any benefit in that at all. As previously concluded, neither they nor the MoH could organise a bubble in a jacuzzi.

by JimboJones | 22nd Sep 21, 4:03pm 1632283435

And so they should, it's a constantly evolving situation with new information coming all the time. Not so long ago Israel was the poster child for vaccination, now it is having 30 deaths a day (which would be about 6000 a year scaled to NZ's population). Denmark is opening up which will give us even more data. Only some kind of Fair Dinkum idiot would set a vaccination target and an opening up plan well in advance when the information is constantly changing.

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 4:46pm 1632285966

So what’s the solution, stay in level 3/4 forever?

by JimboJones | 22nd Sep 21, 6:30pm 1632292257

I have said what I think they should do, and that is go down to level 2 in 3-4 weeks time regardless (with plenty of notice to get vaccinated). But as for a longer term strategy, well who knows really, I think they need to wing it from there.

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 6:47pm 1632293257

Well there it is. From the grassroots of the Labour Party itself, yesterday’s proclamations. Our government is susceptible to the media and will bow to pressure, for curious reasons of democracy, and that means in the midst of a pandemic and the carnage of financial and social repercussions, they should need to do no more than just wing it. In its own pitiful way that offers a pathetic excuse to a plaintive government.

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 2:05pm 1632276302

Throw in a KFC family box with every jab and watch that number soar.

by Jay Lim | 22nd Sep 21, 2:11pm 1632276702

https://abc7news.com/mcdonalds-free-food-covid-19-vaccine-covid-vaccina…

Already happening in the states.

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 2:31pm 1632277912

Brilliant idea...let’s do it

by Nifty1 | 22nd Sep 21, 2:40pm 1632278438

Obesity isn't a health issue right...

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:49pm 1632282578

It’s a token small carrot not an all you can eat buffet

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:52pm 1632282726

Not to forget that MacDonalds really deserves some Covid support...

by sharetrader | 22nd Sep 21, 1:41pm 1632274863

interesting breakdown on Ethnicity of those that have been vaccinated, over 90% of asians have been vaccinated first dose, and as usual young maori lagging at the back of the pack even though MOH are pouring all sorts of dollars into getting them the jab. i have heard it all micro chips in the vaccine , on facebook it said etc etc as to why not to get it. dont hold us all hostage because a small part of the population are not wanting it, overseas many companies are making it compulsory, it will be interesting to see what happens here and the unemployment statistics that come from it

COVID-19: Vaccine data | Ministry of Health NZ

by morepork | 22nd Sep 21, 1:43pm 1632275015

It's only really young people, the rates of vaccination among Maori 65+ are only marginally behind the general population, as this graph from your link shows.

by sharetrader | 22nd Sep 21, 1:47pm 1632275259

thats why i put young maori, most of the kaumātua are actively trying to get them to get the jab but they are not listening because of all the rubbish they are hearing or reading on facebook

by Squishy | 22nd Sep 21, 2:10pm 1632276629

The average Māori is probably younger than the general population however, some just likely haven't yet had their appointment. The community leaders said they'd get it done let's leave them to it and not be overbearing.

by GV 27 | 22nd Sep 21, 2:17pm 1632277055

We're being told to stay in our homes unless we have a bloody good reason not to and you're worried about the messaging being overbearing?

by sparrow | 22nd Sep 21, 2:18pm 1632277080

There's any number of walk in or drive in options available, appointments aren't necessary. I think it's time for a no jab, no job policy.

by Beanie | 22nd Sep 21, 7:24pm 1632295485

If I heard it correctly on the 6 o'clock news tonight, only 75% of our Healthcare workers have been vaxxed despite them being eligible for a long time now. Anyone got any idea why so hesitant?

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 7:23pm 1632295392

In fact, do we know if 100% of all our VIP politicians (of all colours) are vaccinated?!

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 8:01pm 1632297678

All but one (for medical reasons)

by HouseMouse | 22nd Sep 21, 8:14pm 1632298478

That's pathetic.

by Brock Landers | 22nd Sep 21, 2:38pm 1632278317

One would expect "young maori" to give as much of a flying **** about what the government wants them to do as the government gives a flying **** about ensuring they have affordable options for housing.

by GV 27 | 22nd Sep 21, 2:52pm 1632279178

I'd say a lot of people who managed to get vaccinated have been adversely impacted by high house prices.

Do you have any other patently unrelated things you'd like to try and link here to make excuses for people not following lockdown rules or getting vaccinated? Because at some point you're going to have to accept they might actually have a lot of say over what they choose to do here than you're prepared to give them credit for.

Non-compliance is a predictable outcome of paternalistic excuse-making. Why follow rules you don't have to follow? Someone will always be there to wring their hands and tell you its not your fault.

by Brock Landers | 22nd Sep 21, 3:32pm 1632281528

No. We always play identity politics in New Zealand and the identity group always trumps individuals.

"Maori" are refusing to do what the government says. Who can blame them.

by GV 27 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:17pm 1632280642

Thank you for proving my point. There's always an excuse.

by Brock Landers | 22nd Sep 21, 3:39pm 1632281943

Instead of framing it as "excuses", try looking at it as a breakdown of the social contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

The state has wiped its backside with the contract, so it should not be suprised that many affected individuals no longer view its authority as legitimate.

by GV 27 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:52pm 1632282750

I understand it, I am affected by high house prices, I am also vaccinated, and so are many other affected young people.

But now you've widened it to the broader concept of a social contract. Again, hasn't stopped plenty of other young people adversely affected by various decisions from their elders from getting jabbed. If they won't listen to their own elders, then you can't blame the state and make vague allusions to the social contract.

There is a point where you have to legitimately expect people to do better instead of just coming up with reasons why they aren't - it doesn't actually change anything other than tell them there's no consequences for doing what they want and it's never their fault when shit hits the fan.

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:58pm 1632283120

Never mind the simple and easy suspension of basic human rights by governments when they think it might suit their narrative. How naively the large majority of the NZ population not only accepts, but loudly proclaims as the salvation, to forcibly administer a medical procedure such as a vaccination, is very frightening. Equally, if not even more frightening, the utter absence of accepting a single voice of dissent. Anywhere.

by the Joneses | 22nd Sep 21, 4:05pm 1632283535

"forcibly administer a medical procedure such as a vaccination" - Link please...

"the utter absence of accepting a single voice of dissent. Anywhere." - If that was really the case then then I wouldn't have to wade through post after post of 'dissent' on this forum to get to the more interesting posts.

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 7:04pm 1632294243

What else would you call the cries for 'no jab no job' measures...?

Simply trying to shut down opposing opinion of medial professionals, by decree from the medical council, and then to top it off with open threats of suspending licenses for any dissenting doctors, is exactly what I meant. Plus some more if you really want me to carry on.

by GV 27 | 22nd Sep 21, 4:16pm 1632284212

Missed the bit in the conversation where anyone here was advocating holding people down and giving them the jab against their will.

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 7:07pm 1632294457

If I told you that as of tomorrow, you have to show up with proof of having had a medical procedure (however simple) that you do not agree with, or else you are not allowed to enter your workplace... and as a result you loose your income suddenly and you know very well you are unable to pay your rent or mortgage within a few weeks, would that be close enough to being held down?

by Vera Fayed | 23rd Sep 21, 12:56pm 1632358612

There are plenty of dissenting voices that appear in these comment streams. If they make their dissenting argument coherently and are well supported by that uptick system, their accounts are disabled. Chaston has sold out, accepted the taxpayer dollar and lost all credibility as a news source.

by Brutus Iscariot | 22nd Sep 21, 3:57pm 1632283037

Race based lockdowns are the only answer. Unvaccinated over 65s have been told to stay at home, effectively keeping them in L4. So should be no problems taking that same logic on a different demographic group.

by morepork | 22nd Sep 21, 4:17pm 1632284246

Just make it no jab, no shopping/restaurant/whatever like what they have in some US states

by Cheetahlegs66 | 22nd Sep 21, 6:22pm 1632291746

Northern Territories tried to prevent Aborigines from buying alcohol due to the alcoholism and associated health impact. They were crucified. Until you see it first hand like myself you wonder if a suspension of a basic human right could be the way forward.

by morepork | 22nd Sep 21, 1:40pm 1632274810

I hate the mixed reporting around % eligible and % total population. I take "Auckland reaches 80% vaccination rate" to be of total population as it lacks any qualifier, but it's actually % of eligible. I also like the clever shift to the one dose numbers to make things look more rosy.

by sharetrader | 22nd Sep 21, 1:42pm 1632274936

it is measured on population over 12, australia measure theirs as population over 16

by morepork | 22nd Sep 21, 1:45pm 1632275113

Yeah, Australia are even more desperate than us to paint a good picture about their vaccination progress

by Big Jim | 22nd Sep 21, 2:14pm 1632276876

pretty close to 100% of the people who have been vaccinated have been vaccinated

all dependent on ...

your definition of a vaccine ...

and by vaccinated you are referring to 1? ..2? ...3? ...4 doses .... boosters to the moon

by kiwichas | 22nd Sep 21, 3:34pm 1632281685

"pretty close to 100% of the people who have been vaccinated have been vaccinated"

Sheer profundity, whoulda thunk that now?

by Big Jim | 22nd Sep 21, 2:28pm 1632277706

Merriam-Webster Dictionary Quietly Changes Definition of 'Vaccine' to Include COVID-19 mRNA Injection | The Red Elephants

by morepork | 22nd Sep 21, 3:35pm 1632281739

It looks like a case where they realised their definition wasn't correct. The old definition would exclude the tetanus vaccine which has been around for nearly 100 years

by C_T_20 | 23rd Sep 21, 12:36am 1632314166

And that’s why Tetanus has never been called a vaccine. Because it isn’t one, and never was one before. Changing definitions to suit political narratives or global pharmaceutical companies profit ambitions has absolutely nothing to do with science!

by kpnuts | 22nd Sep 21, 3:48pm 1632282530

what about hte shift to using those who had booked a vaccine appointment in the numbers -- a bit like we have built or planned to built 100,000 extra homes or we have built or plan to make a decision about building light railway by 2021 oops 2024

by Foxglove. | 22nd Sep 21, 5:17pm 1632287855

That is the natural progression. Come to our restaurant, fly on our plane, shop at our shop, play golf at our club and on. Our staff are fully vaccinated and so too are all our customers, because if you are not you don’t come through the door. Therefore potential customers you will be as safe as you can be with us.

by Brutus Iscariot | 22nd Sep 21, 6:55pm 1632293705

In no other country has it worked like that.

What happens is firms outline a policy for requiring passport. The wheels come off as government support payments end and they are faced once more with a competitive market. In this environment, pissing off customers and turning people away doesn't fly.

Even vaccinated customers eventually won't want to be treated like cattle.

Any passports will be a short lived phenomenon as the populace moves on.

by JimboJones | 22nd Sep 21, 6:22pm 1632291759

% of total population is fairly meaningless isn't it? % eligible is normally what you need to know.

by morepork | 22nd Sep 21, 6:48pm 1632293280

Both are useful, when talking about our own rollout, % of eligible makes sense until they change the eligibility criteria by say allowing more children to get vaccinated. % of total is more useful when comparing to other countries as eligibility criteria are different. When talking about potential herd immunity, again % of total is more useful

by WestieAJ | 22nd Sep 21, 2:08pm 1632276492

How many cases amongst the 300000 additional Aucklanders that reported for work today? Treat the person handing you your drive through as if they have covid. Then go home and send a few emails and have a Zoom.

by Brock Landers | 22nd Sep 21, 2:11pm 1632276660

As I've been saying for weeks, the elimination strategy is dead in the water.

Covid is now here to stay and it's going to sweep through.

A few weeks from now it's likely we will be back at hundreds of cases per day.

by HouseMouse | 22nd Sep 21, 2:46pm 1632278798

I am hoping my vitamin d and antidepressants offer further protection over and above vaccinations.

Some good quality research suggesting both do.

If the promising research on fluoxetine is borne out it will be interesting to see as to whether that means it can be prescribed as a covid preventative as well as an antidepressant.

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 4:05pm 1632283517

How convenient...

by HouseMouse | 22nd Sep 21, 4:24pm 1632284678

Yeah.

Hopefully some of these studies come out positive. The big next step is treatments that significantly reduce the effects of infection.

A couple of good quality studies suggest that fluoxetine can significantly reduce both intubation and mortality. But further confirmation is required, hopefully studies are under way.

That combined with vaccination is the only way forward.

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 7:17pm 1632295031

That, combined with natural resistance via unvaccinated part of population building a herd immunity naturally! Eventually, no vaccines required. But that would not be beneficial for big pharma...

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 8:06pm 1632297975

A retrospective observational study is not a good quality study.

by HouseMouse | 22nd Sep 21, 8:18pm 1632298701

They recognized that weakness.

There's been some other similar studies, there are promising results.

But obviously more resarch required.

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:51pm 1632282666

And back to level 4

by HouseMouse | 22nd Sep 21, 4:00pm 1632283253

Won't happen

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 4:13pm 1632283988

You think the governments just gonna stand there and watch the health system collapse? It’s won’t be their desired outcome but if push comes to shove it will happen.

by Brock Landers | 22nd Sep 21, 5:52pm 1632289971

If there is one thing that this government does excel at, it is standing there doing nothing.

by Brutus Iscariot | 22nd Sep 21, 6:56pm 1632293811

It could, but I think it would be highly localized "postcode style" lockdowns as happened in aus. South Auckland will be first cab off the rank.

by Nifty1 | 22nd Sep 21, 9:21pm 1632302517

Watch the riots in South Auckland if that happens...

by Big Jim | 22nd Sep 21, 3:06pm 1632279962

wow ... +14

big jump

which corresponds with increased vaccinations ...

Safety Report #27 – 4 September 2021 (medsafe.govt.nz)

Summary of reported deaths

Up to and including 4 September 2021, a total of 54 deaths were reported to CARM after the administration of the Comirnaty vaccine. Following medical assessments by CARM and Medsafe it has been determined that:

26 of these deaths are unlikely related to the COVID-19 vaccine
9 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
18 cases are still under investigation.
1 death was likely due to vaccine induced myocarditis (awaiting Coroner’s determination)

By chance, some people will experience new illnesses or die from a pre-existing condition shortly after vaccination, especially if they are elderly. Therefore, part of our review process includes comparing natural death rates to observed death rates following vaccination, to determine if there are any specific trends or patterns that might indicate a vaccine safety concern.

To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of natural deaths.

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 3:53pm 1632282817

No it corresponds to large multigenerational households infecting each other with a highly transmissible virus.

by Brutus Iscariot | 22nd Sep 21, 3:55pm 1632282910

Pity they don't also perform that sort of analysis on covid cases and causes of death.

Instead we get eulogies for 95 year olds on death's door who happen to pass away while having the virus.

by C_T_20 | 22nd Sep 21, 4:17pm 1632284246

I wonder if anyone in the media will ask why there is such a number of 'insufficient information', when they know that a person has died with Covid? Since we are having a very extreme measures taken by governments all around the world, would it not make sense to do everything possible to have a little more than 'insufficient information'? What exactly does it even mean? Who tried to establish what information? This is a significant number of people we are taking about here... And even if it was only one. Some people would argue even one unnecessary death from Covid virus is too much. Why not when Covid vaccine could be the culprit?

Just an enquiring mind asking questions. But never mind, we are not supposed to question the government or health authorities, right?

And one last question, is there a legal avenue to challenge Medsafe reviews to have someone independent from the approval process do that? And if not, why not? Would that no make a lot more sense? We have independent and transparent review panels for many other much less important issues?

by sunchap | 22nd Sep 21, 4:26pm 1632284781

What worries me is that a doctor has given an affidavit to the Wellington High Court this week, (in lawyer Sue Grey's challenge to a Covid Health Order) saying that when he tried to list some suspicious deaths which occurred shortly after vaccination on CARM they were not put on there:

https://rumble.com/vmoxt5-highlights-sue-grey.html

As in the USA, deaths are being covered up.

by printer8 | 22nd Sep 21, 6:17pm 1632291473

Sunchap

Desperate giving Sue Grey and her claims and chances any credibility.

Regarding Covid, she is a supporter of both the use of Ivamectin and the highly discredited NZDSOS and no doubt including this doctor. Don't imply that this doctor's affidavit is fact.

Grey's modus operandi is to operate under the protection of a Trust (such as Sherwood Forrest for a 1080 claim) to pursue baseless court cases and then when unsurprising losing and facing costs just make the Trust insolvent. Just this month Nelson City Council had to write of $24,000. The judge slammed the case she was pursing as baseless in terms of fact.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/300405954/almost-42000-debt-owed-by-brook-valley-community-group-written-off

by sunchap | 22nd Sep 21, 6:27pm 1632292025

Sue won her first High Court Covid case against Cindy, forcing her to change the law. And presumably the FDA expert panel that ruled AGAINST permitting a Pfizer booster jab - as it is more dangerous than getting Covid - are also lacking credibility?

by printer8 | 22nd Sep 21, 6:38pm 1632292717

Sunchap

Take the Ivamectin if you are so keen a supporter and believer in her. It will aid natural selection in improving the intelligence of mankind. 👍

P.S. I note that you are pretty cosy with her being on first name terms. 🤪

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 6:44pm 1632293087

Printer is right, as much as I commend Sue grey for her work with the green fairy community she is unfortunately an anti-vaccine nutter with no real credibility.

by FCM | 22nd Sep 21, 4:03pm 1632283424

Vaccines administered to date (total)4,817,214 1st doses: 3,146,149; 2nd doses: 1,671,065 .

I presume this is over all of NZ. So 4.9 million people on last count. So is that only 65% have had first dose and only 34% fully vaccinated? Why say 80% vaccinated?

by gnx | 22nd Sep 21, 4:18pm 1632284284

Don’t include under 12’s

by sunchap | 22nd Sep 21, 7:38pm 1632296281

What intrigues me with the Covid debate is that every pro-vaxxer is ignoring the CDC, VAERS data which records over 6,000 US deaths. It is a criminal offence to place a false record, is 30 years old and the number of deaths is usually about 50 annually. The number of vaccines administered this year is similar to that for each of the last 30 years and the death rate is corroborated by similar numbers in the UK and EU "adverse report" databases. Medical journal research over the decades has also indicated that the actual death rate is probably 30 times higher as many doctors cannot be bothered filling out the half hour forms. In New Dystopia doctors are struck off for challenging Cindy's narrative...

Our evil leader is therefore going to go down in history as; doing nothing about housing costs; increasing child poverty; and slaughtering thousands of kiwis via toxic spike proteins entering the brain and testicles via the lipid nanoparticles. Likely death figures based on VAERS data is probably going to be about 3,000 kiwis...This "vaccine" has had NO animal testing and NO testing for a full 9 months on pregnant women. The idiots above who cannot even spell ivermectyn will hopefully be weeded out...

by Beanie | 22nd Sep 21, 7:54pm 1632297294

I think both sides agree that Darwin is going to get to work...

by Albert2020 | 22nd Sep 21, 8:13pm 1632298416

Ivermectyn??? Good lord, and you want us to take you seriously? VAERs, where anyone including the family dog can submit a report? And you think the risk of jail time is going to deter the anti-vax nuts from falsifying documents?

by sunchap | 22nd Sep 21, 8:36pm 1632299785

At least 18 medical journal reports indicate that ivermectin reduces Covid fatality by 80% (if patients are treated early), which is why India, Indonesia, Russia and Japan use it. A "New England Journal of Medicine" report also indicates that the chance of miscarriage is 82% if the vaccine is taken; https://www.northsidesun.com/columns-local-news-opinion/opinion-covid-v….

This vaccine was pushed through at lightning speed and VAERS indicates massive problems. It is clear that authorities here are hiding deaths, as Sue Grey's doctor attests. Why would a doctor destroy his career through perjury? This country has been panicked by a cash hungry media with baseless, fear porn. The Department of Health has failed to consider proven therapies, licensed a clearly dangerous vaccine - and are covering up deaths. Those responsible must be held criminally liable.

by sharetrader | 22nd Sep 21, 9:28pm 1632302898

and at least you can finally get rid of those pesky scabies

Ivermectin | DermNet NZ

How does ivermectin work?

Ivermectin stimulates excessive release of neurotransmitters in the peripheral nervous system of parasites. It is thought to work by paralysing the parasite or inactivating the parasite gut.

by sunchap | 22nd Sep 21, 9:51pm 1632304264

Ta. I should maybe have used it when I swam in Lake Malawi in the 1990's...And that is why Africans do not get Covid, as they have used this Nobel prize winning phophylactic for twenty years.

My favorite research is one co-authored by researcher Dr Jessica Rose where they estimate that VAERS under reports deaths by about 41 times; https://sunfellow.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/VAERS-Deaths-Kirsch-Ro…, This is based on comparing the known death rates of anaphylaxis and perimyocarditis to VAERS reports and cross checked six ways.

I think this vaccine issue may become immense - if pathologists are ever ALLOWED to determine causality by Herr Ardern...My guess is that in 12 months the truth will out.