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Budget 2012 forecasts will show net debt stays below 30% of GDP, despite govt's worsening financial position, PM Key says

Budget 2012 forecasts will show net debt stays below 30% of GDP, despite govt's worsening financial position, PM Key says

Treasury is still forecasting net government debt will stay below 30% of GDP, despite the worsening fiscal outlook, Prime Minister John Key says.

Speaking on Newstalk ZB on Tuesday morning, Key said forecasts in Budget 2012, to be released on May 24, would show the government remained below its self-set debt ceiling.

Budget 2012 would also show the government's deficit "dramatically coming down," Key said. An NZ$18.4 billion deficit in the 2010/11 year is expected to fall to NZ$12.1 billion this current year to June 30.

The most recent set of Treasury forecasts, February's Budget Policy Statement, showed net debt peaking at 29.6% of GDP in the 2014/15 year. Since then, Finance Minister Bill English announced the government's financial position three years out was about NZ$1 billion worse than expected in February.

An expected 2014/15 surplus of NZ$370 million had been revised by Treasury to a deficit of NZ$640 million due to rising earthquake costs, a lower-than-expected domestic tax take, and a slowing global economy.

Despite the revision, the government is still promising to return its books back to surplus in the 2014/15 year by squeezing spending further.

'NZ taking its medicine'

On Newstalk ZB’s Leighton Smith show on Tuesday morning, Key said the international financial environment was "still extremely fragile, if not weak".

Asked whether New Zealand needed to be worried about what happened if Greece left the Euro, Key replied:

“The broader issue is should we be worried about Europe, and the answer to that is, yes."

European countries had a lot of conditions New Zealand policy makers did not want here.

“They’ve got quite an old population, inflexible labour markets, far too much government debt, huge reliance on welfare, inefficient and not competitive economies for the most part – Germany being excluded," Key said.

“And the problem that you’ve got, and this is what’s causing all the issues from France right through to Greece and Spain...and Holland, is that people are voting against austerity. Why? Because austerity brings with it the challenges, and you have to do things that people don’t like," he said.

“My point is, unless New Zealand takes its medicine now, eventually that’s where you end up. And when you end up there, you lose control.”

Key was asked by ZB’s Smith when New Zealand would be taking its medicine, as the government would not raise the Superannuation age, change working for families, or alter interest-free student loans.

“If you go and have a look at what we have done, we have literally spent no new money through the budget process in four years,” Key replied.

“Labour spent the equivalent in that period of time of about NZ$20 billion – NZ$15-20 billion. We came in, they said there’ll be deficits for a decade," he said.

“Wait til you see the Budget numbers, and wait til you see the deficit in the Budget. But what you will see is that debt number tops out at under 30% of GDP and comes quite rapidly down.”

'We have made substantial changes'

The government had been making substantial changes, Key said.

“Very much like yesterday. In the end, we could have taken the proposition of not increasing prescription charges from three to five dollars. We know that that won’t be hugely popular with people," he said.

“But equally, that raises us NZ$140 million we’re putting into cancer care and to more nursing and to better medicines overall. And my view is it’s better to be up front with New Zealanders and say, look, pay a little bit more, but you’ll get a better service. And the equivalent in Australia, seeing as we spend our life talking about it, is they pay A$45 to go to get a prescription or eight bucks if they’re less well off.”

National had borrowed NZ$40 billion since coming to government in 2008. Of that, NZ$13 billion stemmed from costs from the Christchurch earthquakes.

“Australia borrowed A$190 billion in the same equivalent [period of time], and [US President] Obama’s borrowed about US$6 trillion," Key said.

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yeah and they are always accurate and correct with their forecasting....

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"National had borrowed NZ$40 billion since coming to government in 2008. Of that, NZ$13 billion stemmed from costs from the Christchurch earthquakes.

“Australia borrowed A$190 billion in the same equivalent [period of time], and [US President] Obama’s borrowed about US$6 trillion," Key said

If you compare the actual borrowing to GDP, NZ's annual debt to GDP ratio is every bit as bad as both Australia and the US.  Key needs to take a lesson in economic statistics rather than trying to fool the NZ public.

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The Budget may sound like; Bill English ,,, There's going to be a 170 000 new jobs,,, thats a guess, not our best guess but enough to help generate some numbers that we can utilise for forecasting.

The time lag is far to long between the dwindling ring of cash registers / reduced consumer spending with New Zealanders leaving in droves and the news being reacted on.

Incentives to stay in New Zealand and encourage imigration into New Zealand might be a good place to invest?

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Speaking on Newstalk ZB on Tuesday morning, Key said forecasts in Budget 2012, to be released on May 24, would show the government remained below its self-set debt ceiling.

 

I am sick of self-serving, nonsense forecasts from people/departments who have a history of getting it wrong or embellishing the diabolical, hoping to make it look good, so we won't notice.

 

Cut the bloat and be done with it, anything else is worthless spin.  

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For the purposes of measuring the effect of the money supply, government debt is irrelevant. It is total debt that counts because all debt affects velocity.

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Good sound thoughts. Yes GDP does not measure unpaid work or a number of things that actually are of value. understand the way it was measured was a major turning point that lead me to create my modification of the quantity theory of money. (M.V)+i=P.Q 

 

The trouble is all debt attracts interest and it is interest that is the killer in lowering velocity. Interest only works when there is a constant surplus to pay it. The decline in the rate of growth is pretty much a fact that is removing one source of surplus(still relying on others for this information). You may also be aware of my thoughts on diminishing resources, which means production will decrease through that on top of the effects of debt servicing. However I actually see departing from the gold standard as a natural consequence of diminishing resources.

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These are all fudged numbers.  Never mind that we have $112 billion invested off the balance sheet in derivatives.  And that's exactly how, come 2014, the Government will show we've returned to surplus... exactly the same way that Goldman Sachs cooked Greece's books to make them look acceptable for entry into the EU... park the debt off the balance sheet.  If you or I were to do this it would be called... fraud.

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@ SpaceMonkey - I guess you are referring to Sue Newberry's assertions.

 

I have a lot of respect for Sue and have had dealings with her in the past - but if you know please divulge the numbers underpinning the $112 billion off-balance sheet claim. 

 

I don't doubt that derivative positions exist and in fact I know some do in the form of currency and cross currency basis swaps - just access to the meaningful source of the info is doubtful in my view - any llinks appreciated. 

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Scarfie - you have me extremely curious over your (M.V) + i = P.Q Modification of the Quantity Thoeory of Money. Have you posted this elsewhere showing where the money supply goes parabolic from previous postings you have made on interest.co.nz site.

 

Your link above  "understand the way it is measured" was very helpful. Thank-you.

 

What concerns me the most is the fact we have so many Government organisations from Treasury, Reserve Bank, Stastistics etc who are highly paid and they still don't understand the simple basics of running a business, where debt, needs to have an income source that pays that debt off easily.  NZ's economy is no different from any other business. The problem didn't start with this National Government. When housing prices started to increase I knew the proverbial was going to hit the fan.

 

Banks and Government do not want people to pay off debt and the system of taxation is designed to discourage debt repayments and hence business prefers to expand by way of borrowing rather then incurr more tax. 

 

mist42nz - love the "Inefficient Converters of Money to Wealth" it's a term used in agriculture when you have poor performing livestock and quite apt to be applied to the livestock who are running the place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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