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People who are bad with numbers often find it harder to make ends meet – even if they are not poor

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People who are bad with numbers often find it harder to make ends meet – even if they are not poor
Bad with numbers
Even college-educated adults can still struggle with numbers. Prostock-Studio/iStock via Getty Images

By Wändi Bruine de Bruin and Paul Slovic*

This Research Brief is a short take about interesting academic work.

The big idea

People who are bad with numbers are more likely to experience financial difficulties than people who are good with numbers. That’s according to our analyses of the Lloyd’s Register Foundation World Risk Poll.

In this World Risk Poll, people from 141 countries were asked if 10% was bigger than, smaller than or the same as 1 out of 10. Participants were said to be bad with numbers if they did not provide the correct answer – which is that 10% is the same as 1 out of 10. Our analyses found that people who answered incorrectly are often among the poorest in their country. Prior studies in the United States, United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Peru had also found that people who are bad with numbers are financially worse off. But our analyses of the World Risk Poll further showed that people who are bad with numbers find it harder to make ends meet, even if they are not poor.

When we say that they found it harder to make ends meet, we mean that they reported on the poll that they found it difficult or very difficult to live on their current income, as opposed to living comfortably or getting by on their current income.

Our analyses also indicate that staying in school longer is related to better number ability. People with a high school degree tend to be better with numbers than people without a high school degree. And college graduates do even better. But even among college graduates there are people who are bad with numbers – and they struggle more financially.

Of course, being good with numbers is not going to help you stretch your budget if you are very poor. We found that the relationship between number ability and struggling to make ends meet holds across the world, except in low-income countries like Ethiopia, Somalia and Rwanda.

Why it matters

The ability to understand and use numbers is also called numeracy. Numeracy is central to modern adult life because numbers are everywhere.

A lot of well-paying jobs involve working with numbers. People who are bad with numbers often perform worse in these jobs, including banking. It can therefore be hard for people who are bad with numbers to find employment and progress in their jobs.

People who are bad with numbers are less likely to make good financial decisions. Individuals who can’t compute how interest compounds over time save the least and borrow the most. People with poor numerical skills are also more likely to take on high-cost debt. If you’re bad with numbers, it is hard to recognise that paying the US$30 minimum payment on a credit card with a $3,000 balance and an annual percentage rate of 12% means it will never be paid off.

What still isn’t known

It is clear that people who are bad with numbers also tend to struggle financially. But we still need to explore whether teaching people math will help them to avoid financial problems.

What’s next

In her book “Innumeracy in the Wild,” Ellen Peters, director of the Center for Science Communication Research at the University of Oregon, suggests that it is important for students to take math classes. American high school students who had to take more math courses than were previously required had better financial outcomes later in life, such as avoiding bankruptcy and foreclosures.

Successfully teaching numeracy also means helping students gain confidence in using numbers. People with low numerical confidence experience bad financial outcomes, such as a foreclosure notice, independent of their numeric ability. This is because they may not even try to take on complex financial decisions.

Numerical confidence can be boosted in different ways. Among American elementary school children who were bad with numbers, setting achievable goals led to better numerical confidence and performance. Among American undergraduate students, a writing exercise that affirmed their positive values improved their numerical confidence and performance.

Other important next steps are to find out whether training in numeracy can also be provided to adults, and whether training in numeracy improves the financial outcomes of people who do not live in high-income countries.The Conversation


Wändi Bruine de Bruin, Professor of Public Policy, Psychology and Behavioral Science, USC Sol Price School of Public Policy, USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences and Paul Slovic, Professor of Psychology, University of OregonThis article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

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Teach basic finance and budgeting at school. (Parenting 101 would also be a great subject). Teaching basic finance and parenting at school would dramatically improve poverty and a raft of other measures in NZ within one generation 

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Kids can barely muster basic maths skills and we're going to teach them finance and budgeting? 

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University graduates are hardly "kids".

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'at school' generally implies 'kids' in the case of the post I am specifically replying to. 

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Whoever saves the least and borrows the most actually wins in this modern day clown world.

Perhaps being innumerate isn't so bad.

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I think there will be a reckoning.

You hear of people whose real estate "wealth" has increased by X amount. But they have't sold up and put the real profits into a bank yet.

And if they don't go negative equity overall, they will probably double down on real estate when prices drop. "Look, its cheaper now!"

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I'm thinking that property. even at reduced values, could be safer than banks.  Your deposits still aren't insured though they've talking about it forever.

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That's been a fact for a very long time and I admit it's a long way past 10%-1/10 but clearly we can't even expect our university graduates to be 'good with numbers'

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apparently 5-10% can suffer from dyscalculia and they are unlucky and nothing to do with poor education or I.Q and probably explains why accountants have the best offices in town.

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I think that pathetic maths skills would be related to all sorts of things. Among them:

1/ Parenting skills and lack of. (eg. Unless super rich, solo parenting is just not going to be able to cut it). And are these children even required go to school?

2/ For whatever reason, the avoidance of reading when young.

3/ Teaching: is the teacher confident and enthusiastic in maths themselves?

etc

 

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As a couple of anecdotes:

  • When my wife was getting her teaching degree around 10 years ago, as part of the maths section, they had a test of the class with primary level maths problems. Around half the class failed, but the majority of the class graduated to become teachers.
  • When she did a teaching placement with I think 10 year old students, the teacher assigned a worksheet of maths problems. My wife as marking these and noticed that even the brighter students were getting a particular question wrong, and when she did it herself realised the answering schedule was wrong. She brought it home to me to double check (I have a maths degree), and it was definitely wrong. When she told the teacher, the teacher just said that the book's not wrong.

This all doesn't surprise me, for those of us proficient at maths there are many career choices that pay much better than teachers. But as the article here states the high paying career choices for those with lower numeracy levels are more limited, so more find their way into teaching.

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Teaching should be a valuable profession. In order to make it valuable, we need to reduce the number of teachers we train and dramatically increase their pay. For a time, and it still may be happening, but there was an option to do a foundation course then go into a teaching degree. I don't understand in what world we operate in that people who can't achieve the basic literacy and numeracy requirements for UE are encouraged to go into teaching.

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Those who can do, those who can't.... teach

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Whiskey-Jack,

Unless you are being ironic-which I somehow doubt-your remark is both absurd and insulting. You can take part in everyday life including this forum because you were taught to read and write.

Of course, as in any walk of life, there are poor teachers but why would anyone do it? they are not well paid though education is fundamental to a country's economic fortune, most work long hours, well beyond the classroom hours and many are subject to criticism and indeed abuse from parents and increasingly, their students.

In the spirit of Christmas-grow up.

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I'm finding the older I get the more I worry about the capabilities of people in certain professions.

I've been on many school camps now as parent help, and while many teachers are brilliant, others seem to tune out. I spent 3 days on a camp where someone I thought was a parent trying to keep out of the way was actually one of the teachers.

Then again I couldn't really blame her, at least half the kids were borderline feral - this wasn't restricted to camp behaviour as I've seen them at school too. Imagine how much happier a teacher's life would be if more parents...parented.

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We should perhaps pay teachers significantly more and make it harder to qualify as a teacher. It's absurd that a back bencher MP warming a chair gets $165k+ but a teacher way less. We should fund for quality.

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People like Ashley Church spout the idea that 'house prices double every 7-10 years' and I have no doubt that many of the sheeple believe this. The mathematical outcomes of the compounding effect make this such an outrageous thing to say and believe. Furthermore, prophet Ashley might point to a past 20-year period as 'evidence' of this phenomenon. And that will also galvanize people's beliefs.

We should be lifelong learners of maths and many other things. 

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"People like Ashley Church" the despised and narcissistic piece of crap

"Prophet Ashley" is not prophet at all 

Right?

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People who tend to think they know the future are prophets 

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JC please don't use the term "sheeple", it makes you sound like an anti-vax RWNJ.

As for house prices doubling every 7 to 10 years, it seems to have some credibility over the last 10 to 30 years. Most who use this are refering to the original purchase price and not compounding as that becomes exponential obviously. Having said that, the first house I bought

26 years ago is conservatively worth 7 times what I paid for it, add in the fact that the tenants paid off the mortgage and that's 8. Rather than sneeringat this, perhaps take a look at what has actually happened.

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I will cut and paste here from one a good article written about civil liberties for RNZ y'day. I recommend you read it. 

The writer Bill Pearson's essay, Fretful Sleepers, written in the wake of the 1951 waterside dispute, famously depicted his fellow citizens as what some might now call "sheeple".

He warned there "is no one more docile in the face of authority than the New Zealander", a condition he said arose from "a docile sleepy electorate, veneration of war heroes, willingness to persecute those who don't conform, gullibility in the face of headlines and radio pep talks".

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/458382/prior-s-warning-what-wo…

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26 years ago is conservatively worth 7 times what I paid for it, add in the fact that the tenants paid off the mortgage and that's 8. Rather than sneeringat this, perhaps take a look at what has actually happened.

That is exactly the kind of behavior that I am highlighting. Because house prices have followed the Ashley Church maxim does not make it a natural occurring phenomenon. And people who understand math should know that. I also recommend you read about Karl Popper's theory of falsification.    

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I couldn't care less about Ashley Church, I pay no attention to him whatsoever - why would I? 

I recommend you look up the "Duck Test".

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AC has been right more than wrong. In this world if you're right half of the time you are doing very very well. Not even the blessed ABs can win every game

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All swans are white ,,,, until you find a Cygnus atratus, past doesn't predict the future , rear vision mirror thinking. 

It interest' me how people can believe something so blindly with out critical thinking. .  

 

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Who has ever said house don't fall at times? We all have the freedom to make our choices, just don't be one of the many that complain when prices rise.

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Every time I read Ashley Church I marvel out how completely out of touch he is. Seems unable to see beyond his nose.

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Oh, there are an awful lot of out of touch people in this world.

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Can't see the relationship.  People who are dumb are poor at maths and also poor at tracking their finances and are probably poor at many other tasks.  Give them 15 years intense training in maths and they may become good at maths but not necessarily better at tracking their personal finances.

I have loved maths for 65 years and it has given me plenty of fun and a little sense of superiority when I can work out in my head that the jam in the 355gm container is better value than buying the 480gm.  But it really doesn't matter.

 

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If a kid leaves school able to count and use a calculator that is all the maths they need for a happy successful life.  When a child leaves school unable to read that is a national tragedy - their teachers should wear sackcloth and ashes and the minister of education should make grovelling apologies in parliament.

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Make it illegal for MPs' children to attend private schools and we'd probably see better resourcing of public schooling.

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Tony Blair was one example of say one thing but do another. Now Boris and his Xmas party is the same.

BTW I'm 50% serious about reading. Teachers are doing what they are told so most of them are not at fault. The minister of education should stand up in parliament and formally tell the nation how many children are leaving school unable to read and then the Prime Minister should ritually apologise to the nation. Then the leader of the opposition should ask what can we do to improve it next year.

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I think that this is a problem that the whole country suffers from across a broad swath of our culture.

Our schools are shocking. Our grandchildren appear to do very little maths and arithmetic at primary school (meaning that they do not do it often and rarely get homework)  What the do is pretty basic.  Compared with similar age groups in say the USA we are several years behind them.  The strong evidence is that we show up very poorly on numeracy in school rankings. 

But there is more to than that.  It goes across our whole culture.  Journalism here appears numerically illiterate.  (Interest.co is not so bad)

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My 9yo knows the right answer but I will mainly only question a standard that lets people pass who can't answer very basic math.  We clearly need a much higher qualification than a university degree!

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Hahahahahaha!  "University graduates who are bad with numbers"!

As a school leaver at 15 I find it absurd that there are university graduates who are bad with numbers!  How can they even get into, let alone graduate if they are bad with numbers? 

If they can, what worth is that degree?!

I used to think that the legitimacy of a degree, came from the fact that you were capable of learning.  Now I even question that!

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I think to many people just want to be given the answer and not actually work out the answer. 

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It is bad enough now but it is going to get worse.  The government has stated that Tertiary institutions must increase the proportion of Maoris getting degrees.  This will remove the motivation for them to even try.  Often an underachieving but potentially capable Maori student just needs a bit of a reality check to motivate them to do well.  This will remove the scope to do this and the sadly general Maori under achievement will migrate into the professional ranks and undermine the respect that those Maori who have worked hard deserve.

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Hi Whiskey

I was useless at school and failed every exam / test ........left school and worked minimum wage and through investment developed a six million property portfolio. School helps but discipline and determination are the key.....Also understanding the difference an Asset and Liability  .....

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Not a big deal. The hard studying Indian and Chinese students deserve this country. 

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Yes. Some quality people among them. Unfortunately, more often than not, they're on the end of passive aggressive racism from some of our less worldly citizens. 

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Kiwisaver is a great tool for people who are bad with money. Just make it automatic.

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