Latest Stats NZ figures show monthly population gain from migration down 4.8% when compared with same month a year ago

This country's migration patterns have hit a critical turning point with the monthly population gain from net migration down 4.8% in November compared to November last year, while the annual gain for the 12 months to November is unchanged from the previous 12 months.

Over the last few months the monthly net migration figures have been trending down compared to a year ago but the annual figures have been setting new highs.

The latest figures from Statistics NZ show that this country's net population gain from migration (long term arrivals minus long term departures) was 70,354 in the 12 months to the end of November, exactly the same as it was in the previous 12 months.

That signals an end to record annual incareses that have occurred over the last few years and there is a strong possibility that annual net gain figures will start showing declines compared to previous years over the next few months.

The turn in migration levels was caused by a slight decline in the number of migrants coming to this country, which dropped from 11,174 in November last year to 11,073 in November this year (-0.9%) but a bigger increase in the number of people departing long term, which rose from 4083 in November last year to 4322 in November this year (+5.9%).

However, although the net gain from migration is down from the previous 12 months, it is still extremely elevated compared to annual net gains of fewer than 50,000 in 2013 and fewer than 20,000 in 2012.

The biggest source country for new migrants remains China and Hong Kong, with a net gain of 11,138 in the year to November, followed by India 6787, the UK 6501, South Africa 4921 and the Philippines 4515.

There was a net loss of 1309 New Zealand citizens in the year to November, and a net gain of 71,683 citizens of other countries.

And in spite of the growing pressure the migration-driven population growth is placing on Auckland's infrastructure such as housing, transport and social services, it remains the most popular destination by far with migrants.

A net 36,294 migrants said they intended to live in Auckland in the year to November, which was up by 2758 (+8.2%) compared to the previous 12 months, suggesting Auckland may be less affected by the slow down in migration than other regions.

In addition, almost 11,000 migrants in the 12 months to November did not say where they intended to live, so it's liklely that Auckland's population gain from migration over that period was more than 40,000.

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still losing kiwis to be replaced by new kiwis , hope we are not losing the culture along with it


sharetrader. This pakeha boomer out in dress mart Onehunga yesterday was definitely part of a small minority. The cultural profile of NZ has already been irrevocably and massively changed. Whether we minions voted for it, believed it was a good thing, or not, previous government mandarins decided a cultural revolution was to be imposed upon us. The horse has already bolted.

i was mostly refering to the open and friendly way we were, where you could borrow a neighbours tools and give him a thank you bottle of something.
made the mistake of lending tools to my new neightbour. he never would return until i go over a month later and asked for them back, never again he seemed to have an attiude of you gave it to me? (slow leaner took 5 times for me to click)
where people said hello as you walked past, now i dont even know my new neighbours, dont even see them
i guess i grew up in a different time and world, lucky it is still the same in small town and country NZ so far


Hmm yes when you say gidday when walking or raise the eyebrows when running past Asians and indians you usually get no response which is disappointing.

I think it is because the sheer numbers of immigrants allow them to stick together and they do not have to mingle and get en-cultureized. However I do believe the next generation will be alot more kiwi-afied.

thegic. Yep, I believe your last sentence is correct. You don't get the same averted eyes and no talk when interacting with their kids. It's pleasing to talk with young people of non european ethnicities and get the classic kiwi responses. So long as we keep immigration at a level where the kiwi culture is not so diluted as to erode the values you describe and which we hold dear.

I recently attended an arts event in which one of our grandkids (full pakeha - not all of them are) was performing and was struck by the mix of races on the stage. It is the new face of NZ society, like it or not. Even the most die hard xenophobe would have to concede the addition of more non caucasian bloodlines is making us a more attractive people !

You have a point but not really the immigrants fault. You have a handful (as per my own multi-ethnic family) they are happy to meet one another occasionally but are mainly enjoying trying to be as Kiwi as possible. It gets harder with the sociologists (invariably Pakeha!) trying to force them to be multi-cultural which to quote one well known Kiwi sociologist means a Chinese immigrant can buy food, go to the dentist, visit a lawyer, and meet all their neighbours without a word of English. They think it great and I think it is a small colony.

Here is an example of one of the issues

An elderly couple were sponsored into New Zealand by their pakeha son-in-law - they have had a State House for more than a decade, then the husband passed on leaving the wife and mother-in-law to fend for herself. She is a pensioner and cannot speak the local language - even though she has had all the time in the world to assimilate and fit-in and learn the language

Lapun. Yeah, agree with your observations. But schools, as the front line integrationist agencies, are doing a great job with the kids of immigrants and will over time erode the 'small colony' attitude. I'm impressed at the inclusive attitudes towards race, of my primary school grandkids.

But it is a case of 'enough is enough' in my view and I find myself in rare agreement with the talk of the coalition on immigration volumes. I'll reserve judgment until I see action though.

Judging by my children and grandchildren I would agree about the good work done by schools. Not perfect - my sons college had a rugby team with PIs and Maori maybe over-represented and virtually no Asians but other sports were dominated by Asians. In the UK they say schooling is critical - once a school becomes over 50% a specific ethnicity then even the most liberal parents tend to move their children else where - it is very hard to re-integrate (ref Bradford and other UK northern cities). Living in North Shore the various ethnicities are pretty well mixed but I wonder if in poor areas of South Auckland there may be some 'white flight' - certainly my son has Maori friends whose parents deliberately moved over the bridge to get their kids out of what they felt was a negative ethnic culture.
Prof Spoonley claims Howick will have the first schools with over 50% Chinese ethnicity. I wonder what effect that will have. Maybe it depends on how long they have been in NZ - my grandson's Chinese friend is basically just a Kiwi with a knowledge of Mandarin and a slight differnce in appearance.

Howick saw its first flood of Chinese from Hong Kong in the 1990s and I knew many. One owned 27 restaurants in HK and bought a new house in Howick never to set foot in it . Just there in case Chinese control of HK didn’t go too well after Britain handed over control.
China managed HK well and thus many of those Howick homes were sold.
There were some great bargains in marble floored McMansions back then

We set up a lot of problems for NZ in that period. The vetting wasn't stringent enough, and we imported a whole lot of organised crime kingpins from Hong Kong. Big mistake.

Poverty and resource competition is in general not good for the crime rate (likewise health, education, productivity etc). If you miss the old days of trust & goodwill the only place you might find them now is a retirement home where housing and income is guaranteed for most of the golden years. Even then venture outside a little and you will need to be watchful and a little paranoid of strangers again.

They call it identity politics. Sometimes we identify with a familiar accent [I love a North UK accent], sometimes distinctive ethnicity [my daughters with Melanesians], sometimes religion [my wife's Catholic church has Pakeha, Maori, South and central Africa, Korean, Samoan, etc], sometimes activity [my son treats all rugby players as brothers].
All very refreshing and pleasant when things go well but add a little poverty and crime and clump ethnicities together and then when it goes wrong it goes wrong horribly. The multi-culturalists that influence our immigration system have no knowledge of history or culture. It is very hard to think of any country with no ethnic or religious extreme violence in its past (or present) why does anyone think this time it is different?.

Do not worry -- in 1993 already predicted it that NZ would not have many more additional cultures apart from Western and Maori cultures.

The three main additional ones in future are Eastern/Chinese culture, Hindu culture, Muslim culture (religion).

Still looking good.

for who?

For whom? Answer, those in a position to exploit new arrivals and those born later.


I do love to witness the eloquence of DDdzz

Looks like a trend downwards in terms of net immigration but will see what the next few months show.

We are not going to see young Kiwi's choosing to stay unless housing becomes affordable though I don't think.

Plus, our anemic wage growth takes away the incentive for young Kiwis to stay home. Agreed we have been seeing similar labour cost results in the US and other larger developed economies but these countries have a diverse job market which means more options to earn higher wages by moving laterally.

Must be all because of NZ First and Winston.

Who? What is this 'Winston' you talk of? Can't be an actual politician as otherwise our fearless media would be holding him to account by way of regular, scorching interviews. The silence from our intrepid journo's has to mean he is a fictional character.

A major Auckland central real estate franchise with multiple branches has gone into liquidation - anyone heard anything about this?

Bigblue, can you give us a clue as to which franchise you refer to?

Same old, same old.

Labour effect.

Is it down to less people wanting to come or more wanting to leave because of this government?

That'd be nice to know.

Could be partly the prospect of the Pretend Tertiary Education (PTE) sector facing more stringent needs to comply with NZ law, and the prospect of greater enforcement of this. There was recent coverage suggesting a drop in Indian brokers pushing students to NZ because of this.

I like your PTE definition. Still waiting for Labour's promised tightening of the rules. Reading Prof Stringer's report on worker exploitation made my blood boil and I cannot see how Jacinda can virtue signal about Australia's problem while holding her nose and looking the other way about ours.
Endemic fraud, rorts and corruption so what do they do - ignore it!

NZ certainly needs to mind its own business as to Australia's problems. We have been part of their immigration problem and they seem to have had a gutsful.
Hopefully Jacinda will take some advice from Winston and realize that immigrants building homes for immigrants and cooking food for immigrants isn't a sound business plan as at some point they also have to live off what the country produces.
Unless productivity goes up we have more people sharing the pie which means less for everyone.

The PM has been able to persuade Australia to back down on them charging international fees to NZers.
With over 500 k Kiwis living in Australia, a NZ PM has every right to poke their nose into unfair Aus laws that penalise Kiwis cf to other PRs from other countries in Aus.

They get a great education running gas stations

We left because I was offered 4X more here
I also get to ski throughout the winters and holidays in the Caribbean
No I don’t miss NZ

More poverty there as well, you said so yourself. Why can't we have the same here? Higher income plus more poverty. This situation seems to suit you just fine up there.

Has anyone heard of the separation of nation and state?

For much of the twentieth century it was assumed that the state operated on behalf of a single nation that the two (the nation and the state were indivisible) The state represented all New Zealanders. It deserved their undevided loyalty and in return the state was neutral with respect of the ethnic identity of it's citizens. The identity politics of Maori challenged all of these elements. The nation was made up, it was argued, of two groups and the operation of the state ought to recognise the particular circumstances and the rights of Maori. Something which it had not done previously. In fact the state had seemed to operate in ways that had directly disadvantaged Maori. The state was hardly neutral. According to Ranginui and others the state preserved Pakeha interests even if it continued to claim universality and neutrality. It was a radical rethinking of what the nation state of NZ ought to be. It required a decoupling of the nation now defined as Maori and Pakeha or Maori and the Crown and required the state to operate in new and different ways. A new understanding and a new social contract needed to be established . But of course there was no compulsion for the state to acknowledge these new expectations. It was left to the good sense and sensitivites of some key players: Maori, Pakeha and representatives of the state to explore what this means.
Explained well here
It is a bit like replacing your parents with clones who no longer feel anymore for you than any other kid.
Tthe above quote follows on from explaining the Marxist influence in that assessment.

It was a voice that took the arguments of an international politics of liberation : the Marxism of Gramsci the notion of hegemony the critiques of colonialism offered by Fanon and Césaire the liberation theory and the possibility of a transformative education of Freire and Illich and put them into a New Zealand vernacular.

I foresee in the next decade or so more and more Kiwis (women esp.) who cannot find a job in NZ due to lack of qualifications may want to consider working as live-in maids in super rich and successful Asian countries (Singapore, HK, Taiwan etc.). A wonderful opportunity to "integrate" into the Asian culture and I hope they learn to speak Chinese/Mandarin too. Not too hard at all! :)