
S&P Global Ratings says New Zealand needs to make progress balancing its revenue and spending before borrowing more money, even though public debt remains relatively low.
The credit rating agency held a panel discussion in Wellington on Wednesday where its analysts discussed a wide range of issues with the Institute of Financial Professionals NZ (INFINZ).
Martin Foo, a director and lead analyst, said when overseas investors look at the Crown’s finances they think: “Great balance sheet, but crap profit and loss”.
He said public debt was relatively low by global standards, particularly compared to other developed countries, but it had increased more than average during the pandemic.
“I would say that debt is not a concern, per se, but it's the cost of servicing debt that is more of an issue. We are in a situation now where New Zealand spends a lot more on interest expenses than it does on other major items, such as defence.”
Foo said he was aware some economists and parts of the public sector had called on the Government to further leverage its strong balance to support the economic recovery.
“We would say … although the absolute level of debt is low, the ramp up in debt has been substantial. Ideally, you'd want to have some fiscal buffers for the next crisis. The stock of debt is not so much a concern as is the cost of that debt,” he said.
New Zealand’s mismatch between revenue and spending means having to service higher debt levels would reduce the Crown’s ability to continue other kinds of day-to-day spending.
“The Government has given a lot of the right signals around trying to crowd in private sector investments, do more public-private partnerships, and novel transaction structures. But so far we’ve yet to see the evidence of those working at scale,” Foo said.
The analyst said New Zealand had a stable outlook on its AA+ foreign currency credit rating, the second highest possible, which means it was unlikely to be downgraded in the next two years.
New Zealand's domestic currency rating is AAA, the highest possible rating, with a stable outlook. The Government does the vast majority of its borrowing via Treasury's New Zealand Debt Management Unit in NZ dollar denominated bonds.
Key risks the rating agency was watching include the ongoing fiscal deficit, which it measures as the cash deficit not OBEGALx, (the operating balance before gains and losses excluding ACC), and the current account deficit.
“We have this twin deficit situation, and as long as there's sort of reasonable assurance that both are going to normalise over the course of the next couple of years, then I think the rating is safe,” Foo said.
Other countries are not so fortunate. France received a credit rating downgrade last year due to “hugely unruly parliamentary dynamics” which made it very hard for them to pass budgets.
Foo said there were likely to be more sovereign rating downgrades in the future as developed countries struggle to manage financial and political challenges.
“What we have observed over the past couple of years is this theme—across basically all of the developed markets, including New Zealand—there are these enormous underlying structural spending pressures related to population, population ageing and climate change and the need to spend more on defence and etc, etc.”
“And you're seeing these public debt burdens grow and grow. By contrast, a lot of the corporate and household sectors have de-leveraged, but all of the strain and all of the crap, if I may, has ended up on public balance sheets,” he said.
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“What we have observed over the past couple of years is this theme—across basically all of the developed markets, including New Zealand—there are these enormous underlying structural spending pressures related to population, population ageing and climate change and the need to spend more on defence and etc, etc.”
What do you mean there's no free lunch?
“Great balance sheet, but crap profit and loss”.
Doesn't that imply more revenue is needed?
We've sold all our assets, so can't rely on income generation that way.
Seems their growth, growth, growth mantra is aimed at more revenue on corporate profits - unlikely. And that's what the article tells us - it's not working.
Or more revenue on GST income - unlikely, as the average household is already stretched.
Or more revenue on PAYE/income tax - again unlikely, given wage growth is in the doldrums, as you don't get that unless corporate profits are growing, or the government raises public sector wages.
Which leaves?
A radical re-think/departure from current norms. A fully funded (i.e., revenue neutral) UBI;
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/133744/what-do-you-get-when-yo…
Time TSY ups it's game and makes better use of AI to do some serious (i.e., radical, innovative and futuristic) modelling.
More revenue or less spending. The credit rating agencies mostly care about the balance, not really how it happens.
Well, yes but as this government has already shown - spending is increasing (not reducing) - and as the article points out; it is likely to continue to do so as populations age (health costs increase); people live longer (super costs increase) and climate change requires more government-owned infrastructure repair (take road repairs, for example) and more money needs to be spent on mitigation measures.
You can't reduce costs unless you address those big ticket items. And frankly, you can't address cost reductions in those big ticket items in any meaningful way in the immediate to near term (i.e., within the next decade).
And sure, the rating agencies don't care how - but the only way how is to increase revenue to my mind.
Anyone who would vote Labour back in should read up on this stuff.
Please
Usual nonsense from the ghouls.
Firstly, our issue is absolutely not govt debt. Govt transferred it's debt (strain and crap?) over 40 years to the private sector balance sheet. The numbers are stark. The recent increase in Govt debt enabled the private sector to deleverage a bit. Good. It should continue.
Secondly, NZ Govt debt servicing costs are almost net zero. The Govt earns nearly as much return from its financial assets as it pays out on its debt.
Our whopping issue (1) is business liabilities, which, at 350% of GDP, mean that businesses have to charge higher prices to give their creditors and shareholders a decent return. The flow of money from workers, mortgagors and businesses to rentiers is ridiculous.
Our even more whopping issue (2) is our current account balance, which is stubbornly stuck at over 5% of GDP thanks to a growing flow of income to offshore investors and companies (tech, mega corporates, offshore equity owners). This 'operating deficit' with the rest of the world REQUIRES either our Govt or Private Sector to run an operating deficit (increase debt) to compensate. In fact they have to more than match it to enable domestic savings. This is why Govt is now being forced into running a large and escalating deficit - mortgage and business borrowing are relatively low and kiwis do not spend down their savings.
The answer here is absolutely not to cut govt spending - that's a quick route to sustained recessions, reduced tax take, and the spiralling austerity doom loop. Instead, Govt needs an economic strategy that reduces the flow of financial assets offshore. The media need to start talking about the country's 'operating deficit' with the rest of the world and what we can do about it. But instead, led by the nose by the neoliberal ghouls, and the ghastly TPU, we get endless column issue about the virtually irrelevant Govt debt level.
"The media need to start talking about the country's 'operating deficit' with the rest of the world and what we can do about it. But instead, led by the nose by the neoliberal ghouls, and the ghastly TPU, we get endless column issue about the virtually irrelevant Govt debt level."
They do but the chances that will be permitted are slim to non existent, after all they've have had years to do so and ....
What is TPU?
On issue 1 - where is the local govt debt included in your table? I presume as the table asset and liabilities balances that to solve issue 1 you would suggest the RBNZ buying up most of the businesses debt - e.g QE purchase of corporate bonds?
On issue 2 - to attack this issue more tax on services imported from overseas and potentially Finance, Insurance & RE added tax on exported profits? And maybe more incentive on EV trucks and vans to reduce imported oil?
"The answer here is absolutely not to cut govt spending - that's a quick route to sustained recessions, reduced tax take, and the spiralling austerity doom loop" Don't disagree entirely with this. Unfortunately it is necessary to have reigned in Labour's profligate ways and some spending needed to be cut back. The degree, how much in financial terms and what to cut back in project terms is the issue and i doubt the ability of any of our political parties to do this, some worse than others.
You are completely missing the point here. What Govt spends net of taxation is a sideshow. Currently govt and the domestic private sector are going into debt to support the increased savings / wealth of offshore and onshore investors. We are a vassal state.
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