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American sentiment slips; US budget deficit halves; FTX goes bust; Chinese youth jobless leaps; Europe faces recession; Australia fingers Russia for hacks; UST 10yr 3.81%; gold up and oil stable; NZ$1 = 61.1 USc; TWI-5 = 70

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American sentiment slips; US budget deficit halves; FTX goes bust; Chinese youth jobless leaps; Europe faces recession; Australia fingers Russia for hacks; UST 10yr 3.81%; gold up and oil stable; NZ$1 = 61.1 USc; TWI-5 = 70
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Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand, with news markets are still trying to absorb the implications of the updated American inflation track.

The widely-watched University of Michigan consumer sentiment survey in the US fell in November to its lowest level since July and by slightly more than expected. The current economic conditions index sank sharply and the expectations gauge tumbled too. Meanwhile, inflation expectations increased marginally for both the year ahead and the next 5 years. Of course, since this survey there have been elections and a moderating of a key inflation measure which have both energised financial market optimism.

That same survey reports about four in five consumers now describe buying conditions for homes as bad, a record in data going back to 1978.

The American Federal Budget repair continues. In October, the first month of their new budget year, they posted a deficit of -US$88 bln, about half the level of the same month a year ago. That was because tax collections for a swelling workforce and stronger company earnings were up +12%, and spending was down -9%. By any measure this is impressive.

Meanwhile, giant crypto platform FTX has been placed into bankruptcy, and Twitter's mercurial new boss has warned that it too faces bankruptcy - after he paid US$44 bln for the firm, and then promptly moved to wreck it. For sure it needed repair, but the toxic way he handled the takeover has pushed it close to the edge. Masters-of-the-Universe tech moguls look vulnerable these days.

The spreading tech-sector layoffs should be watched closely. The numbers involved are large, large enough to impact their overall labour market.

China has labour market issues too. We all know that their economic slowdown is stubbornly extending. And we know that their jobless rate is surprisingly high with the official level over 5%. But what might surprise is that their youth jobless rate is approaching 20%. A growing number are university graduates. A shackled private sector can no longer absorb the numbers coming on to their market and the risks of great social unease is high as a consequence.

India's industrial production rose by +3.1% in September from a year earlier, reversing a revised -0.7% decline in the previous month and easily beating market expectations of 2.0% growth.

In Europe, a fall in Germany's industrial production, and a retreat in the UK's overall economic activity is generating rising talk of a winter economic recession there. It has been expected since the start of the Russian invasion, but the reality of it is closer now - even if it probably won't be as deep as originally feared. But some think the economic storm will be fierce, and be global.

In Australia, the giant hack of the records in their Medibank Private company, and the subsequent ransoming of personal details on the dark web, has brought an official claim that the hackers are known Russians: REvil. Security experts believe cybergangs are scaling up their attacks and changing their behaviour as they gain a form of protection from Russian President Putin.

The UST 10yr yield started today at 3.81% and down 3 bps from this time yesterday. Recall, a week ago it was at 4.16% so a net -35 bps retreat since then. The UST 2-10 rate curve is more inverted at -52 bps. And their 1-5 curve is also more inverted at -67 bps. Their 30 day-10yr curve is much flatter at +25 bps. The Australian ten year bond is back up +11 bps at 3.70%. The China Govt ten year bond is up +3 bps at 2.75%. And the New Zealand Govt ten year will start today down another sharp -18 bps at 4.29%.

In New York, Wall Street is holding on to the week's gains with the S&P500 up +0.9% late in their Friday session and heading for a +5.6% weekly rise. Overnight, European markets all finished with finished with +0.5% gains except London which dropped -0.8%. Paris finished the week up +3.4%. Frankfurt was up +6.2%. But London shed -0.2% for the week. Yesterday Tokyo ended its Friday session up +3.0% for a +3.25% weekly gain. Hong Kong rose a remarkable +7.7% yesterday capping a weekly gain at +8.1%. And Shanghai ended up +1.7% enabling it to post a modest +0.8% rise for the week. The ASX200 closed up a strong +2.8% for a weekly rise of +3.9% and the NZX50 was up +2.0% pushing it to a modest +0.7% weekly rise.

The price of gold will open today at US$1766/oz. This is up +US$16 from this time yesterday but down -US$9 for the week.

And oil prices start today +US$1 firmer than this time yesterday at just on US$87.50/bbl in the US while the international Brent price is just over US$94.50/bbl. These are both -US$4 lower than a week ago, but back to levels we had two weeks ago.

The Kiwi dollar will open today at 61.1 USc and up another +1c since this time yesterday. For the week it has revalued by +3.1%; over the past month by an impressive +9.5%. Against the Australian dollar we are little-changed at 91.3 AUc. Against the euro we are also little-changed at 59.1 euro cents. That all means our TWI-5 starts today at 70 and +50 bps higher than this time yesterday. This broader measure is up only +0.4% for the week, but up +5.4% over the past month.

The bitcoin price is now at US$16,801 and down -5.2% since this time yesterday. And volatility over the past 24 hours has been extreme again at just on +/- 5.4% with continuing instability.

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Meanwhile, giant crypto platform FTX has been placed into bankruptcy, and Twitter's mercurial new boss has warned that it too faces bankruptcy - after he paid US$44 bln for the firm, and then promptly moved to wreck it. For sure it needed repair, but the toxic way he handled the takeover has pushed it close to the edge. Masters-of-the-Universe tech moguls look vulnerable these days.

The spreading tech-sector layoffs should be watched closely. The numbers involved are large, large enough to impact their overall labour market.

Profitability often doesn't sustain market values for a lot of these sorts of firms, so it will be interesting to see how much of an impact economic reality may have on the sector as a whole. 

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FTX’s implosion leaves more than 100,000 creditors and a million-plus customers facing an uncertain future. Sam Bankman-Fried’s net worth is thought to have been reduced to zero after last-ditch attempts to save his troubled businesses ended in failure.  His paper fortune was previously pegged at $26bn in March.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/11/ftse-100-markets-live-n…

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... from a $US 26 Billion fortune to .... $ 0 ... ooooh , that's gotta hurt , back to a jobseeker allowance ...

Ordinarily I'm appalled  by schadenfreude  , but on this occasion.... 

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Bugger that's not a Bitcoin type of thing suddenly going to zero before Christmas is it ? How on earth could that possibly happen ? Totally impossible to predict that sort of thing obviously......Oh wait.

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When a badly mismanaged limited liability company collapses, the value of it's shares goes to zero.  That is what has happened here.  Like Enron and Deka or Propellor Property. Not to be confused with crypto itself.

The value of one Bitcoin as of writing is still twenty seven thousand four hundred and twenty one Adrian Orr funbucks.

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The value of one Bitcoin as of writing is still twenty seven thousand four hundred and twenty one Adrian Orr funbuck

This is true. 99.9% of the time, the fiat price of 1 x BTC has been greater than zero. The majority of BTC is not for sale and not on exchanges. It's hard for many people to understand the market dynamics. 

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Uhhh, not really. 

Ever heard of De Beers?

Same thing, except replace ancient shiny carbon crystal with digital nothings.

I spose they both require an unjustifiable amount of energy to mine though.

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OK, you're trying to be clever but I'm not sure what you are trying to say or how it's relevant.

De Beers is able to exert some price control on diamonds. 

And?   

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Russian support for hacking those squeaky clean Aussies?

Timor-Leste was alleging that Australia, using the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (Asis), planted listening devices to spy on its negotiating team during talks to split oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/09/a-grave-injustic…

This has been going on for years!

The CIA hacks across the globe, even its own.

The CIA Hacked Senate Computers, Lied About It.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gvy537/the-cia-hacked-senate-computers-…

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I'm no huge fan of Elon Musk myself, but it's a worry watching him go from saviour of the human race to far-right Russian troll in the mainstream media (neither of which are accurate descriptions). It seems the second anyone isn't prepared to toe the line on CCP-levels of Internet censorship, they're instantly demonised.

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... the " red flag " went up when the cave rescuers in Thailand refused Elon's offer of a mini sub , so he labelled them as paedophiles ... there's something very wrong in his head ... quick to anger & to lash out ...

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He was labelling himself as austistic for a bit.

Turned out he was just a knob.

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Takes one to know one eh.

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Suggests likes to frequent where all the knobs hang out?

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... here ... @ interest.co.nz ...

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It's all learning patterns.

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Going by the user name you have you should already know what a big knob looks like. The guys a dick.

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Hi Carlos125.

Anybody with an IQ of 126 or higher knows that they shouldn't believe everything they read on the internet.

Having a big knob and being a big knob are two different things. I am sorry for your envy.

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The reporting on that was not even half the story...

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Yep it was that cave comment that did it for me. A diver died in that rescue. Elon is a total dick head.

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Maybe that cave diver would still be alive if they had accepted the help that Musk was generously offering.

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... the divers had already been through the cave system to the boys , and knew that a mini sub could not fit through the narrow access way  ..

Elon wouldnt listen ... thort he knew best , as ego maniacs do ... Putin ... Trump ... Ardern ...

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That is unfair.  Jacinda Ardern is not a dangerous ego-maniac to be compared with Trump or Putin.  She is surrounded by pygmies so may have a distorted idea of her abilities.  Try a list of politicians who have great PR but poor achievement: Tony Blair... John Key... Trudeau... Ardern.  

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Uhhh, the offer was an ineffective submarine, not a time machine to go back and save an already dead diver.

Haha you're defending the dude and you don't even know the details. Such a nice man, people are just so ungrateful....

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We've moved on from Orange Man Bad to Elon Musk Bad.

The screeching soy goblins need somebody to unite them in irrational hate.

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 .. it is possible to hold more than one hatred in the mind at a time ... multi-hating  ...

Putin's up there ... Orr , Robbo & Jacinda ... Trump ...

... that's my list , did I forget anyone ? ... 

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Meghan Markle

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... given that it's just the British royal family who she's rarking up , I'm not bothered ... easy to ignore her  ...

I'll reserve my " hatred  " for people who're doing alot to wreck the lives of ordinary working people ... destroyers of social harmony , leaders who war , lie , bullsh*tters ... wasters of the national economy ... arrogant buffoons ... 

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Yeah, ranked just below Bad Jelly the Witch.

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Lots of hate and knobs this morning...

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Brian Tamaki

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Or one could argue that those two billionaires made a series of bad decisions and are now living with the outcomes?

But if you really need someone to hate on, I guess go think up some more names to call...

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Getting fingered by Australia sounds spicy.

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How low can you go?

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Musk:  Anybody who can execute the likes of Tesla and rockets that come back and land has extraordinary talent. 

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Anybody who can execute the likes of Putin and manage to survive has extraordinary talent.

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No - Elon didn't do anything. All the engineers he employed did the work.

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At best he's a fund raiser.

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Speaking of a raiser he does seem to give a couple of people on here a hard on.

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Chief Engineer at SpaceX

Product Architect at Tesla

Sounds like little Pa1nter is getting green eyed again about people that managed to do something with their university degrees.

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You mean solar roof tiles? Battery trucks? Robo taxis? Cyber trucks? Hyperloops? Mars colonies? 

Or just selling all those ideas with outright lies about progress and release dates, to pump stock values to the moon. Then trying to cash in those shares at the peak without crashing the stock with a pretend bid at buying Twitter resulting in being actually forced to buy Twitter. Which is a great big financial hole in the ground. But saying he is doing it for humanity, not to make money. Then firing half the company using silly metrics like lines of code written, and getting upset when advertisers notice that bloodbath and reconsider where to spend their advertising dollar.

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Oh and by the way, I am pretty sure Elon made up those titles for himself. 

Doesn't mean he is an engineer, or knows anything about engineering. 

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Is "Elon Musk knows nothing about engineering" the latest NPC software update?

Thanks for making me laugh.

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“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain

 

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Mate, you're the idiot arguing that the Chief Engineer at SpaceX doesn't know "anything" about engineering.

You're beating nobody.

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I never said that. I was merely disputing your supposition that Elons position title is proof he is a talented engineer. The title he gave himself when he founded the company.

Saying that, he does not talk like a talented engineer in interviews. I am an engineer myself.

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Of course. Being the founder and chief engineer of the only company on earth with the ability to fly humans into space isn't proof that he knows anything about engineering.

Or so suggests some guy suffering from acute Elon Derangement Syndrome on a remote pacific island that claims to be an somewhat of an engineer himself.

If you're prone to indulging such silly fantasies it might be best to leave engineering to the professionals.

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Cheers Brock. Enjoy your Tesla shares and Bitcoin. 

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Very sad I didn't buy TSLA.

+174.97 (833.19%) past 5 years

😢

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He's Steve Jobs 2022.

https://youtu.be/FmbwR9J6-Yw

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@ the Jones.   So you are and engineer and so can put people into space.   ?   No.

We have masses of engineers in New Zealand.   No extraordinary accomplishments like Musk.

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Pretty sure an NZ founded company developed its own space program and picked up NASA funding.

They obviously aren't as good at PR.

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Mate I bet that Elon doesn't even know how to change a flat tire correctly.

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I've seen a number of interviews of Elon with youtubers who run space nerd channels.  The nerd who seems to know most is Tim Dodd (channel=The Everday Astronaut) - he's very technical, and has done some great studies of things like rocket engine design.  I've seen Tim fire very detailed questions at Elon and he can answer them all, while occasionally pointing out mistakes they've made along the way which are now fixed or in the pipeline.

So Elon is not just a fund raiser and PR guy - he has put the time in to learn his trade.

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Who put the " Twit " into " Twitter "  ?

.... their former  shareholders did ...

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More excess at Kainga Ora. Another debacle from this government:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/ballooning-manager-class-at-public-…

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Around 1990 the government decided to do different stuff in social housing. 

The inane civil servants went for it, cost was no objection,  you could sell them anything and some folk really cashed in.  I was on a housing trust and that board spent 20 years clearing up the mess.

Civil servants don't understand the limits the rest of us have to work to. .  Don't even know those limits exist. 

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Honest question here - how is this sustainable long-term?

Unless I'm mistaken, the pool of net tax payers is dwindling (when you factor in welfare recipients, super-annuitants, public sector employees, and lower paid private sector employees who are dependent on WFF).

Surely at some point it all has to fall over, right?

The appetite of the public system (some of which is wasteful, some of which is well-apportioned - I've experienced both first-hand) seems to grow endlessly, or at least faster than the bowl can be filled up.

From a purely selfish perspective - as someone in the 'net tax payer' group - it's worrying as the increasing demands will seemingly never stop. I guess I could just flog my business and go join them; my skills are nicely transferrable ... but from a socioeconomic perspective how is this healthy? 

What is the end-game here? 

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Greek-style austere public reforms?

Between 2009 and 2016, Greece saw a 26% reduction in public sector headcount and 39% drop in its combined wage bill.

Working very close to the sector, I have noticed a significant shift away from merit-based recruitment and recognition since 2017.

All the Te Ao and rainbow celebrations in the workplace has allowed upper and middle management to hide their inefficiencies and failures in actual work delivery. 

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  • Having pronouns in an email signature signals you as an LGBTQIA+ ally.

So if I don't put he/him in my signature, that makes me an enemy to LGBTQIA+? 

If I worked in a Public Sector role and didn't include my pro-nouns in my email signature, and didn't sign off with Nga Mihi, would I be subject to a negative performance review?  

https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/guidance/pronoun-use-in-email-signatu…

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No and no. 

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Agreed.  Not to mention the $16b p.a. (and rising) non-means tested Super bill, funded by us dwindling group of net taxpayers.

Plenty of complaints about how Super doesn't pay enough, time Grey Power did something productive by brainstorming a better way to manage the already generous funding allocation.  Could be less stories of pensioners struggling in winter if those who don't need it opted out, and the savings were redistributed to those in need.   

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Suggestion:  Thirty year gradual replacement of super by Kiwisaver.   Which would have to be universal and high contribution rate. 

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At least ACT's policies somewhat work to address this issue.

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Suggestion:  Thirty year gradual replacement of super by Kiwisaver.   Which would have to be universal and high contribution rate. 

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NZD, go you good thing, haha. Defying expectations.

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It's just the drop in the USD over the last week, isn't it?  Or does NZ have a rockstar economy again?

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I was wondering at what price Bitcoin might break and cause a mass sell off. What has happened to FTX must be a sobering thought. Perhaps bitcoin is different. I have spent some time reading about it and while I like the concept it seems a bit risky and unstable given the hacks that have occurred and the volatility of the price. So I stay away. Although I see others swear by it. I hope it achieves its goals and bitcoin owners don’t lose their investments of “real’ money.

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The cyclical nature of past cycles suggests it should fall approx 85% so we're looking at USD6K or lower. Now, given the current macro environ, it could wick much lower than 6. 

Re FTX, yes it's not good for the near-term price action of BTC. But it's important to remember that FTX was a marketplace where many different cyyptos were traded, often from leveraged positions. It's demise is a bad thing for many low-cap, speculative cryptos. Not necessarily for ol' ratty. In fact, if 99% of the tokens were to disappear, it could ultimately be good for BTC. I'm interested to see what the madcap leveraged speculators will do. 

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I believe the NZD is overvalued, I'm going to sell some more NZD for CHF, I think NZD's will drop again.

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You may be better trading a range. NZD is nothing if not volatile. Medium term I see it rising. Not talking my own position but as the days tick away to the next election and the weak showing Labour have atm, I would imagine a new National led govt would bring in a lift in confidence and a reversal of some of the policies causing pain n angst. 

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Yep expect to see a decent bounce across the board when National get in next year.

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I believe the NZD is overvalued, I'm going to sell some more NZD for CHF, I think NZD's will drop again.

Is there a rationale for thinking that NZD is overvalued? For ex, betting against NZD and AUD relative to JPY was a profitable position during the GFC meltdown because of the carry trade unwind.

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Yes, my rationale is that the reaction to the slight dip in US inflation figures, like much higher stock market and weaker USD, is an overreaction.  IMO inflation has NOT yet been tamed, I also think the market will be surprised by how hawkish the Fed will still be at its next meeting.  I believe it will raise by 0.75% and the stock market will plunge and the USD soar and the NZD drop.

That's my rationale.

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Yes, my rationale is that the reaction to the slight dip in US inflation figures, like much higher stock market and weaker USD, is an overreaction.  IMO inflation has NOT yet been tamed, I also think the market will be surprised by how hawkish the Fed will still be at its next meeting.  I believe it will raise by 0.75% and the stock market will plunge and the USD soar and the NZD drop.

OK. It's a "reckon." It seems like you're better off with USD than CHF. 

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Interesting to note PMGT (Perth Mint Gold Token) is currently at USD1,777 (trading 24/7) while the GOLD CFDS closed at USD1,771. 

 

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