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Transport Minister Chris Bishop isn't opposed to compulsory third party car insurance but says ‘the gains from making something mandatory are not necessarily as high’ as people think

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Transport Minister Chris Bishop isn't opposed to compulsory third party car insurance but says ‘the gains from making something mandatory are not necessarily as high’ as people think
Two cars are parked outside in front of a house in New Zealand. One car is damaged.
According to the Insurance Council of New Zealand (ICNZ)’s website, there are three types of motor insurance policies you can get: third party property damage, third party, fire and theft, and comprehensive cover. Image source: Unsplash

Whether or not New Zealand should have mandatory third party car insurance is a topic of conversation that pops up regularly. But it’s not something the Government looked at as part of its changes to the country’s driver licensing system.

Speaking to interest.co.nz, Transport Minister Chris Bishop says mandatory third party vehicle insurance is a popular proposal that has been talked about for a long period of time and he’s not opposed to it.

“We may well have a look at it but we didn’t consider it as part of that policy package.”

Officials, Bishop says, have told him a huge number of New Zealanders already have vehicle insurance. “So the gains from making something mandatory are not necessarily as high as everyone else thinks.”

A 2021 survey by Finder of 1882 New Zealand drivers found  24% had been hit by an uninsured driver. However, Dylan Thomsen, road safety spokesperson for the Automobile Association (AA), agrees the gains may not be as high as people think.

In 1928, New Zealand established a compulsory third party vehicle insurance scheme for personal injuries. Premiums were paid at the same time someone relicensed their vehicle. This cover was later replaced by the Crown entity, Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC), which oversees New Zealand’s no-fault accidental injury compensation scheme.

Property damage, however, has never been compulsory for motor vehicles in New Zealand. But it has been looked into by previous governments.

“New Zealand does actually have a compulsory system, similar to a lot of other countries, even though people don’t think of it that way, Thomsen says.

“We do have a form of compulsory car insurance called ACC … A number of other countries overseas that have some form of compulsory insurance, it is for those injuries to people."

What New Zealand doesn’t have is a compulsory requirement to cover damage to vehicles and not many countries actually do have that, Thomsen says. Those who do include Australia, which has compulsory third party insurance, members of the European Unionmost states in the USA and the United Kingdom.

Scott Simpson, who is Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister and Minister for ACC, says the Government isn’t currently considering introducing compulsory third party car insurance.

Simpson says injury cover from car accidents through ACC is funded by vehicle registration and fuel levies.

“Because ACC covers personal injuries, third party insurance for injuries isn’t required. However, insurance to cover damage to vehicles or other property remains optional.”

According to the Insurance Council of New Zealand (ICNZ)’s website, there are three types of motor insurance policies you can get. These are third party property damage, third party, fire and theft, and comprehensive cover.

Third party property damage covers you against damage you cause to someone else’s vehicle and/or property, ICNZ says, and it’s usually the cheapest type of car insurance.

Third party, fire and theft covers damage caused by fire and theft to your car as well as third party property damage while comprehensive “covers you against accidental loss of or damage to your motor vehicle, as well as any damage to other people’s vehicles or property caused by your vehicle (whether it was your fault or someone else’s)”, ICNZ says.

“It also covers you for other costs such as salvaging your vehicle from an accident scene and towing it to a repairer. As well as a standard comprehensive policy, many insurers offer a variety of options and benefits.”

Generally the more extensive the cover, ICNZ says, the more expensive the policy.

Thomsen says the AA is very pro people having insurance - the association thinks all drivers should at least have third party insurance, if not full insurance for driving on the roads as it’s a sensible and good thing to do.

“But we haven’t seen the case made, in our view, for making it compulsory, and that’s where it gets a little bit complicated.”

“As soon as you make something legally required and compulsory, it can create some perverse outcomes or consequences with the system,” Thomsen says.

Uptake of car insurance

The Government has previously looked into making vehicle insurance compulsory in 1988 and a petition was considered in 1994.

It was looked at again in 2008. At the time, the New Zealand Press Association reported that the Government was looking into whether third party vehicle insurance should be mandatory and if there was public support for a scheme that would only cover property damage.

This proposal to make car insurance mandatory became unlikely in 2010, after research by the Ministry of Transport found that 92.4% of New Zealanders had car insurance.

In a press release at the time, then-Transport Minister Steven Joyce said the proposal may not deliver the benefits that might have been expected, because New Zealanders already have a high level of insurance.

He also noted that countries which had compulsory vehicle insurance include the cost of injury cover in that insurance - whereas ACC levies cover that cost in New Zealand.

"That means that the premiums in New Zealand for such insurance are unlikely to be the high priced deterrent to young drivers owning vehicles that many New Zealanders seek.”

Thomsen says some people would like to have insurance but are struggling financially so can’t afford it while others may not really care about having it.

He says it’s uncertain whether making car insurance compulsory would actually change much.

“You know, the idea that people who don’t currently have insurance and are driving would suddenly do so if it became a legal requirement, we think a number of them still wouldn’t, so it wouldn’t actually make that much of a difference.”

Referring to the Ministry of Transport’s survey, Thomsen says the kind of low 90% of people on the roads having insurance was similar to what other countries had in terms of insurance - even with different set ups to New Zealand.

“So it’s not as simple as saying ‘if we make this change, we would have 100% of people on the roads who all had insurance.”

‘Worst case scenario’

Thomsen says effectively the worst case scenario is that having compulsory car insurance could potentially push up the costs people would pay for insurance because insurers would have to provide coverage to high risk people that they may not want to choose to take on.

“If you’ve got that system where you have to have it, then people have to have some way of getting insurance and so we saw that there could be a risk of it just pushing up costs for people who are already complying and have insurance, and not changing much in the group of people who don’t have it.”

“We just don’t think a strong case has been made to really show that it would make a meaningful difference in New Zealand, of making things that much better than what we currently have," Thomsen says.

So what kind of situation might change this stance?

Thomsen says there hasn’t been any work for quite some time that tries to quantify how many people out there don’t have any type of insurance currently and how many motorists are currently insured.

The AA would want to see some work done so there was an idea of the numbers.

“Then you need to start doing an analysis of how much of a difference do you think a policy change would make,” Thomsen says.

“How much of an impact would that have on the market for all the people currently insured? Would it potentially cause them to just have to pay more for coverage when they are already covered and insured now."

“Just weighing up what would the costs potentially be on all the people who are currently getting some form of insurance and following the rules versus how big is the group who don’t have any insurance and how much difference do you think the policy would make?”

Thomsen says there are some countries with compulsory insurance in some form and they don’t have 100% compliance.

“So you still have a number of people uninsured on the roads in those countries and ending up in crashes where they don’t have insurance coverage for damage they do.”

“We think some really thorough analysis by the Government would need to be done to show that this change could deliver more benefits than potential costs and impacts for people who are already insured," Thomsen says.

‘Better driver training’

Last Tuesday Bishop announced changes to the country’s licensing system - including ditching the full licence test for car drivers.

Other changes include fewer eyesight screenings, an expansion of the zero-alcohol rule to all learner and restricted drivers, and new learner and restricted periods.

“Driver licences are essential for helping people access jobs, education, and healthcare. For many young Kiwis, gaining a licence is a rite of passage, but the current system is expensive, outdated and no longer works as well as it should,” Bishop said at the time.

Thomsen says: “I think sometimes ... it’s more about the idea of if some of these young people weren’t able to get insurance and it was compulsory, then that would mean that they would stay off the road, and therefore the roads would be safer.”

“It's not necessarily as simple as that, saying that somebody will choose not to drive because they aren’t able to get insurance.”

The most important thing in terms of road safety, he says, is around better driver training, practice and preparation.

He says the AA would much rather the focus be on having better prepared, more skilled, more knowledgeable drivers coming through the licensing system.

“Insurance is about helping cover the damage after something bad happens.”

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You can't be serious. ACC in many respects spends more money on lawyers to avoid paying out to people (or providing them the care they need) than they pay out to people. It is a best a problematic organisation that creates problems for people who get injured.

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Blimey what about protecting the responsible folk rather than letting the irresponsible ones off the hook. A young niece had her insured car wrecked by a reckless uninsured youth with no insurance, no job, no money.  It took two years of fighting to get her insurers to meet the claim even though the police report stated it was not her fault. She had to pay $750 excess and as a nurse needed her own  transport. The wider family shuffled cars about to help her. Simply if the offending party had had third party insurance all of that could have been avoided. No registration, or WoF should be issued without that being in place. Yes, yes there is too many cars being driven without either, and that is a relatively easy offence to police. 

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"...relatively easy offence to police"

Yeah, but the police aren't policing well enough currently so adding more things to cover isn't going to result in any improvement.

Maybe it's a reflection of where I drive, but I observe a disproportionate number of cars that clearly are not of warrantable standard (accident damage, cracked windscreen, non-functioning lights) being driven on the roads.

 

Your niece's insurers sound like assholes.  Are they American owned?

 

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No Australian, not much other choice is there.  It was early morning, the offender didn’t stop at a give way sign and she plowed  into him. No injuries either side. Insurers claimed she could have stopped in time , that is she braked too late. Of course under the policy fault on the insurer’s side is covered anyway. Took a lawyer to sort that out though and then they procrastinated on and on , about whether repair or write off. This was during covid and claimed new parts were months and months away even though it was only a Corolla. 

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Thanks for elaboration.

Part of my job is managing a fleet and when someone is involved in a collision I have to explain to them (and their manager) that this isn't going to get resolved overnight and we are probably in for a fight with noticeable inconvenience.

The time of covid was shocking.  We went from a claim every two months to a claim every two weeks.  That lasted for pretty much two years.

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ANother. In your function I'd guess you are very conscious of the much higher cost to fleet owners of uninsured third parties compared to private owners who 'only' have at risk their excess (and sometimes their no claims bonus), this because most large fleets are insured on a 'burning cost' basis; ie next years fleet premium is calculated on claims in previous years plus a margin for insurer costs and profit. Thus most of the claims costs that are unrecoverable from at fault third parties are effectively directly paid for by the fleet owner in subsequent years. This is a simplistic summary and the system does work in favour of fleet operators who manage risk carefully but the huge financial consequences for fleet owners of uninsured TPs is usually ignored by those advocating the status quo.        

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Ha!  You've actually confirmed something I've suspected over the years (this years claims directly impact next years premium).

I fortunately/unfortunately don't get involved in negotiating the insurance policy so just live with whatever happens.  I have considered that some claims aren't worth submitting as the time dealing with the claim gets overtaken when the small amount of money (saved after the excess is paid) gets paid to the insurer in the next premium.

I also wonder about a combination of operating a reserve for repairing our fleet and just having a 3rd party policy for damage our staff cause.  A downside to this is that insurance assessors will likely be better than me at keeping repair bills reasonable.

 

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You can hire assessors directly yourself although probably not as cost effectively as Insurers. As you observe, you'd need to be confident you could achieve or better the same repair cost rates. You likely won't have enough scale to self insure entirely (excluding TP risk) but taking a higher excess and managing claims for under XS damage to your own vehicles could be an option. You'd need to do the sums on the extent to which the reduction in premium offsets the extra costs of self managing. Recovery from at fault TP claims under the XS then becomes your gig and the extent to which insurers 'knock for knock' protocols (damage falls to each involved insurer irrespective of crash blame) apply, needs to be considered. If yours is a larger fleet those responsible will likely have explored these self management options.   

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insurance assessors will likely be better than me at keeping repair bills reasonable

Ha! I had a collision a few years back where the assessor claimed they had to replace a sunroof, and both windshields for a rear fix only, and the car had no sunroof on the pics I requested from the insurer that they had of the vehicle damage. Needless to say after being threatened with challenging their assessment in court as the assessment was questionable in validity at best, they offered a drastic 80% discount if paid promptly.

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FG. I note with interest the various experts citing the high penetration of car insurance as indicating the non insurance problem is minor. The implication being that people such as your niece are simply collateral damage of a minority behaviour and just have to suck it up. At an economic utility level it makes some sense but it's wrong from a social attitude formation perspective. We already largely tolerate rego and WOF non compliance and our legal punishments for the most egregious driving misdemeanours causing injury and death are weak. Combined with zero economic accountability for causing injury it is therefore hardly surprising to regularly observe the don't give a toss attitude exhibited by a sizeable cohort of drivers. It would be simple (ignoring the powerful insurance industry lobbyists) to have a law that obliged all drivers to hold TP insurance and to enforce that with a requisite penalty if the offender cannot produce evidence of holding TP cover, whenever an infringement notice is issued by authorities.       

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ACC are kinda screwed by an aging population. Claims for over 65s are through the roof, and the claim periods are stretching out into years and decades (broke ma hip, here's a cleaner and lawnmower guy, forever). It's become a secondary dumping ground for elder medical services and care requirements.

So they're going to knock back as many claims as possible. And probably raise premiums.

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One of the impacts of greater numbers of workers over 65 and a plethora of underlying health matters adding complexity to what would otherwise be simple injuries I imagine. Given the squeeze on the health sector I wouldn't be surprised if the hospitals are trying to offload more patients to ACC funded care despite health needs being the main issue. 

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Yeah, for sure an act that needs a major rewrite and an organisation in need of serious operational overhaul. At the same time its worth keeping in mind the alternative personal injury compensation systems operated elsewhere, especially those based on who is 'at fault'. Endless legal manoeuvring that protracts settlement and lawyers receiving up to 40% of the claim proceeds.    

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It has blown personal responsibility right out of proportion and right out of the window. Missing a step on your back door, and spraining an ankle is part and parcel of normal life. A bricklayer at work getting hit on the head by a brick not so much, it is a legitimate accident. ACC should have had better definition and differentiation at the outset. And then of course there are the health professionals who attend injuries that are beyond their actual qualification and for far longer than actually necessary.

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FG. ACC cover was expanded by a court which in 2023 decided psychological damage from historical sexual abuse, including compensation for loss of potential earnings, is included under the act. This resulted in ACC having to increase its incurred future claims estimate by $3.6bn. 

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Not to mention the ever-growing number of new diagnosable physical and psychological disorders.

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ACC's biggest expense is income protection. This is capped at 2 years above the age of 65.

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Interesting. From a google search and some calculations the max earnings for compensation is capped currently at $157,205.75/annum, equating to max $2418.55 gross per week, 80% of $3,023.1875/week gross. Given the wage inflation since 2020 this could be another contributor to stress in the system. If many people jumped jobs from say 60k to 80k in 2021 then this adds operational risk.

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A litany of weak excuses there. Third party property damage insurance should be included in car registration - which is also checked for currency every WoF.

Maybe the govt can't make up their minds if it's a levy or a tax sarc/

Disclosure: In addition to a relatively late model (2020) with comprehensive cover, I also have a second, ~30 year old vehicle which has third party property damage covered at a "massive" cost of ~$150pa

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The point is that it could make your $150pa insurance cost more. So what would you gain from it?

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Refer Foxglove above.

You keep repeating "it could cost more". Why?

Yes, some ratbags would be covered, their indemnity easily offset by multitudes of people who would make few claims. Comprehensive cover should reduce if 3P is seperately covered. It will come down to the competitiveness of the insurance market which is ultimately a triopoly in NZ. A clear case for a govt player to keep them honest.

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A clear case for a govt player to keep them honest. 

Like the ComCom? We have a lack of spine in government monitoring and enforcement of business practice already so I wouldn't trust this any more than I'd trust the other person in an accident to have insurance.

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And as well your 30 year old vehicle with only 3rd party cover would not then be written off or costly to repair if the other driver had the same cover.

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I just remember car insurance in the UK was insanely expensive and compulsory. As far as I understand car insurance is quite affordable in NZ, so why f with it. 

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4.7m registered vehicles. Insurer melt down.  

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NZ is the exception rather than the rule, I'm all for a compulsory car insurance, like it is in the vast majority of countries worlwide.

If you've ever been rear ended by some bogan you know there are likely two outcomes today: either the driver flees the scene and the police is helpless (even if you have witnesses, they can't provide any details because of the privacy act and redirect you to your insurer, assuming you have one when it's not compulsory: case in point) or they are sentenced to repay $5 a week for the next 20 years, which they never pay...

Will it increase the cost of car ownership? Yes, but owning a car is a luxury not an entitlement, people have forgotten that (altough I alknowledge it is much necessary for a lot of NZers due to a poor public transport network and remoteness of many areas).

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Its the policing of it that will be the problem. I imagine there's a decent overlap of "people who won't get car insurance" with "people who won't get a rego/warrant".

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In the UK while living there for a time, it wasn't cost effective for me to own a vehicle due to the disproportionate cost of third party insurance. Probably a good thing in hindsight given I was based where there was wonderful public transport and space is at a premium in cities over there more so than here, due to higher density of population by area.

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But if you have comprehensive insurance, it makes no difference, your car gets fixed either way. Yes I guess there is the excess, but its probable that the increase in the cost of your insurance from making it compulsory will be more than the occasional $300 excess payment. 

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Jimbo understands. 

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I don’t want to share my premium pool with uninsurables. It’s a terrible idea guaranteed to raise premiums. 

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Not necessarily if a simple form of risk based underwriting is properly applied. There are specialist insurers who successfully underwrite cover for boy racer ( err sorry, custom car enthusiast) type vehicles. It could be done.   

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The uninsurable’s wont be able to afford risk based underwriting. Then the government demands affordable premiums for everyone (cause compulsory). Then we all have to subsidise them. 
 

Those that try anyway. The rest don’t care. There is no real gain to be had. 

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Vehicle registration should include third-party insurance, which should be effective regardless of whether the offending vehicle in an accident has a warrant of fitness and regardless of whether its driver was driving legally or illegally.

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You can’t renew a vehicle license (rego) without having a current WOF. 

There are people who can’t get WOFs. Which means they can’t get a rego. So how do they get a tagged on insurance?

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At the bottom of the article - "The most important thing in terms of road safety, he says, is around better driver training, practice and preparation." - Not sure how this reconciles with reducing driver testing and eyesight testing, seems to be the opposite??

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Compulsory third party insurance for other vehicle / property damage. Can't afford insurance for your 'fast' car, teenager? Tough, get a Honda Jazz and earn your no claims bonus. ACC is great for injuries, IMHO. Copy the Dutch regarding opening car doors with your inside arm (means you have to check for cyclists, car doors really hurt and "sorry mate I didn't see you" is not an excuse).  I like the Dutch liability law regarding cyclists too. 

Re-test everyone (online) theory every five years, practical needed if failed twice in a month. Practical test every 10 years, fail that off the road six months. DUI more than once, ban for a year minimum. Link the whole thing to the police NPR system.

I'm not convinced it's only speed that kills. Inattention, idiotic, inconsiderate, arrogant behaviour the like of which one sees every day in Auckland (get off your phone) needs to be addressed. Driving, like life, is a privilege, act like it matters when you're in charge of two tonnes of metal doing 100kmh. And don't pull left across two lanes onto the motorway slip road in rush hour traffic just to 'get ahead' that's truly, truly, moronic.

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ACC is not great for injuries. Physio sessions for ACC "covered " injuries will set you back $50 a session.

And good luck if you are over 50 and your shoulder injury doesn't settle within six weeks.

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"Driver licences are essential for helping people access jobs, education, and healthcare. For many young Kiwis, gaining a licence is a rite of passage"

And yet, people regard it as their God-given right to drive a car while conveniently ignoring the responsibilities inherent in operating moving machinery on public roads. Ford Ranger drivers seem to be the worst. 

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The never-taken-off-roader, the For Danger. You know one’s behind you when all you can see in the rearview is a logo.
Overtake one, it becomes a Ford Anger. 

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