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Cabinet will decide on April 20 whether lockdown will end on April 22; PM announces tougher border controls and says it's too soon to make call on delaying the September election

Cabinet will decide on April 20 whether lockdown will end on April 22; PM announces tougher border controls and says it's too soon to make call on delaying the September election

Cabinet will decide on April 20, two days before the Level 4 lockdown is due to end, whether it will in fact end.

“That means, if we are ready to move to Alert Level 3 business will have two days to implement arrangements,” Prime Minster Jacinda Ardern said. 

“But let me say again, we will not be moving out of Level 4 early. If we move too early, we will go backwards.”

The Government will next week provide more detailed guidance on what Level 3 will look like.

Business leaders, who appeared before the COVID-19 select committee on Wednesday, urged the Government to provide more information on which businesses will be able to open and how they should operate. They said businesses need clarity to have confidence.

Election date under review

Ardern said it was too soon to determine whether the general election should be pushed back beyond September 19.

She said the matter will be kept "under review”, noting the alert level we’re at will be a determining factor. However, restrictions around mass gatherings won't alone be enough to see the election postponed.

NZ First Leader, Winston Peters, told RNZ he wants the election to be held on November 21. Meanwhile the opposition doubts the public will be ready for an election in September.

Arrivals quarantined

Ardern also confirmed that from midnight Thursday, every New Zealander boarding a flight to return home will have to undergo quarantine or “managed isolation” in a government-approved facility for at least 14 days.

She said it was impractical for this measure to have been implemented earlier.   

Nearly 40,000 New Zealanders have returned home since March 20, when the border was closed to foreign nationals.

“That is more than the all of the hotel rooms across the country that we could have properly housed people in,” Ardern said.

“Since the beginning of Level 4 around 6500 have returned, reducing to only 40 yesterday.”

Ardern couldn’t say how much “managed isolation” would cost taxpayers.

There were only 29 new cases of COVID-19 on Thursday, taking the total number up to 1,239.

Here are Ardern's remarks in full:

And at the halfway mark I have no hesitation in saying, that what New Zealanders have done over the last two weeks is huge.

In the face of the greatest threat to human health we have seen in over a century, Kiwis have quietly and collectively implemented a nationwide wall of defence.

You are breaking the chain of transmission.  And you did it for each other.

 As a Government, we may have had pandemic notices. We may have had powers that come with being in a national emergency. But you held the greatest power of all. You made the decision that together, we could protect one other. And you have.

You have saved lives.

Modelling provided to my office by economist Rodney Jones on the eve of the lockdown suggested New Zealand was on a similar trajectory to Italy and Spain and that our 205 cases on the 25th of March could have grown to over 10,000 by now without the actions we have taken together.

And new modelling due to be released later today by Te Punaha Matatini suggests that the current controls at Alert Level 4 have already had a significant impact on new case numbers and we are on track to meet their most optimistic scenario.

Instead of the horrific scenes we have seen abroad we are at 1239 cases, and the total number of cases has fallen for the last four days with 29 new cases today, the lowest daily number of cases since the 23rd of March, before the lockdown began.

We are turning a corner, and your commitment means our plan is working.

But to succeed, we need it to keep working. Success does not mean we change the course. Removing restrictions now would allow the virus to spread rapidly once again and we could be back to the starting line within two weeks. That’s also why we will keep enforcing the rules. In addition you will have seen an increase in police enforcement in recent days, I expect that to continue, including road blocks in some places this Easter weekend. While most people are doing the right thing, some are not. We cannot let the selfish actions of a few set us back.

No one wants that, especially after all that everyone has sacrificed to get us here.

I have read messages from those who have lost loved ones they couldn’t come together to grieve for, brand new parents whose most joyful time has been made so difficult because of separation. Businesses who are worried for their livelihoods and for the family that are their employees.

I am acutely aware of the pain many New Zealanders are feeling.

Over 1 million of our fellow citizens are now supported by a wage subsidy, many of whom will be experiencing a cut in income.

At the end of March there were already an extra 4,866 Kiwis on a benefit, and last week that number increased by another 10,000. And many businesses are reporting that they may not be able to re-open at the end of the lockdown period.

I want to give you all the assurance that I can, that the health and wellbeing of you and our communities has always been on our minds as we have made decisions on COVID-19, but so has your livelihoods.

We will continue to stand alongside you.

We have made record investments to keep as many businesses as possible afloat and people in jobs. We are doing what we can to cushion the blow and plan for our recovery.

But as I’ve said, this is going to be a marathon.

Our plan for that marathon, is to keep eliminating the virus from New Zealand. We can do that by keeping it out of the country, but also by rapidly stamping out any outbreaks that flare up. And that plan is the very best thing we can also do for the New Zealand economy.

The best economic response continues to be a strong health response.

That’s why I am announcing the next stage of initiatives to scale up our health response to put us in the best position possible to exit Level 4 and prepare for Level 3.

No matter what level we are at in the future, there are three areas where we need to become water tight.

Firstly, our borders must be tightly managed.

That’s why from midnight tonight every New Zealander boarding a flight to return home will be required to undergo quarantine or managed isolation in an approved facility for a minimum of 14 days.

I am also signalling that the requirement for 14 days of quarantine or managed self-isolation in a government-approved facility, will be a prerequisite for anyone entering the country in order to keep the virus out.

As an island nation we have a distinct advantage in our ability to eliminate the virus, but our borders are our biggest risk.

The Government has gone harder earlier with border measures compared to other countries, but even one person slipping through the cracks and bringing the virus in can see an explosion in cases as we have observed with some of our bigger clusters.

The quarantining of returning New Zealanders will be a mammoth undertaking.

For context nearly 40,000 New Zealanders have returned home since the 20th of March, when we closed the border to foreign nationals. That is more than the all of the hotel rooms across the country that we could have properly housed people in.

There has always been urgency around this matter, but simply put, we could not have done it from the beginning, but we are doing it now.

However we are now seeing major reductions in New Zealanders returning. Since the beginning of Level 4 around 6500 have returned, reducing to only 40 yesterday.

A network of up to 18 hotels will be used to implement this approach, of which one to two will be specifically set aside for those under strict quarantine conditions.

The second aspect of our ongoing COVID-19 response is significantly scaled up and faster contact tracing and greater use of technology.

The more we improve the speed and effectiveness of our contact tracing, the better placed we will be in breaking the chain of transmission.

The Ministry of Health is already working on a locally developed app that will assist with contact tracing.

I should caution that it is in the early stages, it will have basic functionality, but even that will be important as it will help update our national health database with users contact details. 

Then they will look to add functions. We are investigating the Singaporean Government’s Bluetooth-based app TraceTogether that can record interactions between a phone and any other phones nearby that have the app installed.

The data is stored on the phone and if the user tests positive they then release the data to the government for contact tracing. Close contacts can then be automatically notified of their need to self-isolate and be tested.

Singapore are planning to open source their technology in the next week. We have made initial contact with the Singaporean Government and registered our interest, and I have a phone call with Prime Minister Lee of Singapore this evening where I will be discussing this technology further.

I think it’s important to note that these kinds of apps are useful, but don’t solve everything. What’s most important is that you have good people, and enough people, working on contact tracing as quickly as possible. We do, and we continue to improve every day.

And finally, this ongoing plan must be underpinned by testing.

We already have incredibly high rates of testing compared to others, but we want to do even better.

We will be maintaining high levels of testing and supplementing it with additional testing to ensure we have greater levels of certainty around the decline in the viruses spread.

With these three pillars, border controls, rigorous testing and contact tracing, we have what we need to win this marathon.

But I know in a race it’s important to have some signposts.  To know where we are, and exactly what we need to do when we get there so we can all plan.

Let me set out the timelines then for some key decisions that will affect everyone.

Level 4 has come with some heavy restrictions. That has required difficult decisions around services and businesses that can and cannot operate.

We need to give similar more detailed guidance on what life at Level 3 looks like, and we will do that next week. That will give us a window to iron out questions and issues, and make sure we’re as prepared as we can be when it comes time to move.

It is then my intention that on the 20th of April, two days before the lockdown is due to finish, Cabinet will make a decision on our next steps. That’s because we need to use the most up to date data that we have to make that decision.

That means, if we are ready to move to Alert Level 3 business we will have two days to implement arrangements.

But let me say again, we will not be moving out of Level 4 early. If we move to early, we will go backwards.

In the meantime I ask every business to use the time you have to prepare for what every alert level may mean for you. Treat COVID-19 like a health and safety issue. Ask whether it’s possible for your business to have social distancing? Can you build in contact tracing tools or mechanisms to keep track of your supply train and customers? Help us get ready as a nation for the marathon we must all run together.

I know we can do this. And I know that, because we are already.

So as we head in to Easter I say thank you to you and your bubble. You have stayed calm, you’ve been strong, you’ve saved lives, and now we need to keep going.

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I think we'll need stronger indications than three day's notice. There's limited trading days between the 23rd and the 1st of May, which could trigger a whole round of standing cost issues as things like rents become due again. Hopefully we have a pretty good idea from the PM by then and the cabinet decision is more of a formality.

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I think the question is really whether the whole country will be going to level 3 together, or if some regions / cities / towns will stay at level 4 for another 1-2 weeks or not.

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I don't think we can move out of level 4 until there have been no new cases for at least 2 weeks, and all contacts of affected cases have been traced. . The fact that there are still new cases after a full virus cycle (unless these tests were delayed) indicates that some people caught it after lockdown occurred, as not all were imported cases. Our contact tracing is also not good according to this article, and we need to use technology https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/413847/covid-19-government-quiet-on… .
I always thought 6 weeks minimum was needed for level 4. The worst thing for NZ is to go back into level 4 again. It is better IMO to stay in it to eliminate the virus totally.
Other countries are stuck in lockdown for manymonths, and have no chance to eliminate it. Whereas NZ has the actual chance to eliminate it

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there are some areas that have had no new cases for a week, so they can move to level three, taranaki, whanganui, wairarapa, south Canterbury,
the rest i agree when need 10 days of no new cases not linked to clusters that should be ring fenced, you have 750 people that went to marist + parents siblings, friends workmates, so maybe 2-4 k of people that need to be watched there alone.
and the bluff wedding is still spreading all over the country ( now in the Waikato), ironically the staff in bluff are ok so makes you wonder if they caught it the day after.

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The problem is that our tracing isn't great, as it is all manual and not complete as per that RNZ article. 30% of people who have it never show symptoms, but can still spread it. So this level 4 lockdown is like using a mallet to crack a walnut, but it can work if everyone follows it, but it requires time to go through several virus incubation cycles, so starve the virus of new hosts. NZs level of testing per capital is a lower than many countries including Oz, as shown on World O Meter, and not everyone who has it will be tested, nor will those people who don't show symptoms, so the number of people with the actual virus in NZ will be higher than the numbers show.

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89 new cases four days ago, 29 today. Maybe we do have a chance of eradication after all (I haven't been optimistic before today). Being super vigilant over next two weeks is essential, if we can eradicate the payoff is huge. We could become the most sought after long-term high value tourist destination ever.

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But you would only travel here if you either have herd immunity or a vaccine right as a tourist?

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Or are willing to pay for a two week stay in an approved quarantine facility when you arrive.

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But could we take that risk? I mean, is two weeks long enough? Why a 4 week lock down? Surely the isolation would need to be 4 weeks for random tourists who will be traveling all over the show when they arrive (with the risk of spreading the virus throughout the country?)

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As the PM said, 4 weeks was selected as it allowed for 2 cycles of the virus. But anyone who breached the lockdown risked resetting that time and extending the lockdown period. But as mandatory quarantining has only occurred midway through this period, I wouldn't be surprised to see them extend it for another 2 weeks minimum, especially as we theoretically shouldn't have any new cases in the next few days if the lockdown is working properly and everyone is following the rules. Not unless the incubation period in some cases is longer than 14 days?

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In one study published in The Lancet medical journal, the median duration of viral shedding was found to be 20 days (with a longest recorded case being 37 days). If this is the case then four weeks is likely to be too short.

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Yes it does vary, so I would have thought NZ should be verging on the side of caution. Especially as at one stage they said animals couldn't catch it off humans, but this week a tiger has gotten it from a keeper who didn't even have symptoms.
NZ also considers someone recovered, after not having symptoms for 48 hours or 2 days, adn they don't require a retest to make sure it has cleared from their systems. But in the US and other countries it appears to be 3 days after having symptoms Not sure why there is that inconsistency, and why NZ wouldn't just make it 3 days as well to be safe.

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You had me right up until you said tourist destination

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Forget about international tourism mate. Until there is a vaccine. We just need to accept that industry is a write off until then.
Those of us lucky enough to still be in one piece financially can get out and enjoy the splendours of this country with less jostling tourists and support domestic tourism.

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The best thing that could come out of this bad situation is the long term destruction of our unsustainable (and impoverishing) tourism industry, not to mention our international education rort and ponzi immigrantion scheme. Hopefully we can rebuild a more productive and sustainable economy and society.

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Maybe some of the newly destitute NZers could beg on the streets to give it that international travel experience.

They would even need to pretend.

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Foyle, good to see your starting to come round to the plan. I totally agree with you, if this works it will be amazing.

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Jacinda seems to be making up the plan as she goes along. Seems like new arrivals will be better managed but still not many details of the monitoring provided for them. Given that new arrivals have been the main source of infection this should have been a priority. Details of the new testing criteria and what they will do to ensure it will actually be followed are still insufficient. No plan for a random testing program in the wider community (which is needed to determine the true extent of infection in the community). I haven't heard a good explanation of why it has taken sooooo long to sort out the PPE for healthcare workers.

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Like many, I assume the PPE gear the govt says it has doesn't actually exist... or has deteriorated so it's not useable.
David Seymour quizzed Bloomfield and Clark on the alleged 18 million masks and wanted to know if it was, in fact, an order yet to be fulfilled. They were evasive.

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I guess for a while any future ticket for entry into/back into New Zealand will have to include the cost of 2 weeks in an hotel.
Let's be honest, there's enough of them standing around at 1% occupancy at the moment, so it's income for them of sorts.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120898316/coronavirus-hotels-start-shu…
"Christchurch hotels that are closed or have closures planned include the three-month-old, $80 million Novotel at Christchurch Airport, the 86-room Sudima on Salisbury St, Hotel Montreal on Montreal St and the Heartland Hotel on Papanui Rd."

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Meanwhile, in the US after Trump made a hash of handling Covid-19, his administration put out a projected figure of 100K to 240K fatalities so that eventually even 80K makes it look good and well-handled crisis by the commander-in-chief.

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What do you reckon Trump should have done?
The USA is a union of 50 States ; all autonomous - they can do what they like. Even today, any number of them have said "Nope. We 'aint closin' and you can't make us"
As CiC of The Land of the Free, his options were and are limited by the Constitution.
Do you think Churchill, when he gave any one of his number of optimistic speeches, didn't know the odds and 'the truth' were against him?
His job was to lead; encourage and rally his peoples'. The same for Trump. The same for Ardern.

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Well for starters he could have promoted the use of masks and washing your hands to slow the spread but the guy looks and talks like the village idiot.

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Like the masks we all have to wear?
As for Village Idiot, I think you're confusing Trump with Tedros Adhanom; the guy from the WHO! "There is no pandemic. None. Just a few isolated case in China that they have well under control" Give me a break....

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He's a shocker. I bet he will pull out the 'race card' with all the appropriate criticism flowing his way...

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He will suggest a world court case against the motherland. That I think is his trump card!

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bw I really don't know how you can support Trump, since he is absolutely the village idiot. You know the one who promoted the use of a scarf as an alternative to a medical mask because it was "thicker!!!".

Not only that but he wanted to "pack the churches" for Easter celebrations, saying that it would all be fine and America would be back to work by then. Really with 435,128 infection cases in the US.

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If he is the village idiot then what does that make Pelosi - who was trying to extend the impeachment during a pandemic and encouraging people to attend SF Lunar NY celebrations to show they weren't racist. Or Biden calling Trump racist for imposing travel bans. Or the NY Health commissioner? "As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus,”
There is a lot competition in that village!

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In NZ we are not even promoting masks.

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The states are not autonomous, they are bound by federal law. Trump is the head of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government.

Trump should have properly heeded the warnings given to him in January, rather than ignoring the issue.

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Trump created the C19 Task Torce in January. Back then we were busy preparing for a memorial and our PM was telling people if you didn't symptoms you couldn't pass on the virus in complete contradiction to WHO.

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The Trump administration fired the US pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. Public health and national security experts shake their heads when Pres Trump says the conronvirus "came out of nowhere" and "blindside the world"

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To be fair it did come out of nowhere - a Guy ate a bat in central china and took down the world. At no point have I seen anyone at anytime predict this. In fact I haven't even seen any wacko's even trying to claim they saw it coming.

Further, even when it was happening 90% of the world carried on as normal. We had flights from China landing everyday until late February. Also, the supposed expert of all experts in this field - The WHO, said it was fine and not to worry.

In relation to your first point can I ask - where is NZ's Pandemic response team? Clearly we needed one.

I don't like defending the orange idiot, but people need to stop bagging him personally. He is the President of the United States of America. Believe me - he has far more information and experts available to him that we do. Case in Point: what exactly have our "experts" said about face masks - oh, that's right, they say the same as Trump.

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"To be fair it did come out of nowhere - a Guy ate a bat in central china and took down the world. At no point have I seen anyone at anytime predict this."

Reading your comments over the last few days has shown that you really know very little about the subjects you comment on.

Ever since SARS in 2003 scientists have been interested in studying coronaviruses in China and expected future epidemics to arise there. No, no-one specifically predicted this virus happening when it did, but the bats in China are a known reservoir for many coronaviruses capable of mutating and spreading amongst humans with high fatality rates.

A ten-year China-US laboratory collaboration: improving response to influenza threats in China and the world, 2004–2014
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-019-6…

https://www.wired.com/2013/10/bats-next-sars-pandemic/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180404133529.htm

The CDC even had a specific role in China for helping with tracking new disease outbreaks:

Dr. Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist at the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, was a resident adviser to Chinese health officials through July 2019, when she left the role upon learning it would be discontinued in September, according to four sources who spoke to Reuters.

In the position – officially known as the resident adviser to the US Field Epidemiology Training Program in China – Quick trained field epidemiologists who helped track, investigate and contain diseases at the epicentre of outbreaks, according to Reuters.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-cdc-cut-health-expert-job-china-m…

Also it's believed the virus spread from a bat to a pangolin and then to humans. Pangolins would not normally closely associate with bats in the wild, but they were in cages next to each other at the wet market in Wuhan.

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NZ death rate 1....meanwhile USA , it was almost six weeks after the first case of coronavirus was confirmed in the country that the Trump administration moved to ramp up coronavirus testing, allowing laboratories and hospitals to finally conduct their own Covid-19 tests to speed up the process.”

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The carnage in the US is largely due to their privatized health system. COVID tests aren't free, aside to those insured, and COVID treatment if you have insurance has a co-pay element - if you end up in ICU - you're broke.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/12/insurance-industry-correct…

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Not that simple - private firms were initially not allowed to test for covid. Only CDC was and they stuffed it up. Allowing private firms to test, like Germany, would have been a better bet. Some researchers had population samples for other research that would have been useful and CDC refused to use it.
"Case in point: FDA rules initially prevented state and commercial labs from developing their own coronavirus diagnostic tests, even if they could develop coronavirus PCR primers on their own. So when the only available test suddenly turned out to be bunk, no one could actually say what primer sets worked.

The CDC and FDA reversed course and lifted this rule on February 29, and commercial and academic labs are now allowed to participate."
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/05/905484/why-the-cdc-botched-…

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He probably could have not pretended it was not a problem. Whether he has much power or not, he is still the leader and its his job to lead. A skill which has been woefully lacking.

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BW
I can only assume that you are joking.
As to the lack and inept Trump/Federal leadership;
Try: “It's like being on eBay” New York governor regarding the bidding wars over ventilators, as each of the 50 US states and the Federal Emergency Management Agency were purchasing essential equipment separately forcing the price up six-fold and equipment not going where urgently needed but rather to the higher bidder,
Or: After days of desperate pleas from the nation’s governors, Trump finally took a round of steps to expand the federal government’s role in helping produce critically needed supplies but he warned the leaders of hard-hit states to be personally appreciative and not distributing them on need by penalizing those who weren’t
Or: Promoting hydroxychloroquine as a cure even though there is little evidence that the treatment is effective, and even his own medical experts saying it can harm some.
Happy to go on if you wish.
As to your comparison to Churchill, spot the difference in informing and preparing a nation at imminent risk:
Churchill: After warning that Hitler was a tyrant for years and then “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender” and it would have been if not for “The Few”.
Trump: "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
Come on - don't equate Trump to Churchill.

BW, you need to stop just relying on and believing Fox News and Trumps tweets.

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With cases still doubling every week (and thats known cases, testing may be way below where it needs to be), and ~2,000 deaths a day, who knows where they will end up.

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America is still weeks away from the peak maybe even months. Its not going to take long to hit those worst case projections. You couldn't pick a supposedly first world county where the population had more underlying heath issues its going to be carnage.

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Some of the central States are on a nasty trajectory...they’ll be the next New York’s in a few weeks.

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Total deaths have been revised downwards. Now less than the 2018 flu season.
"2 days until peak resource use on April 11, 2020"
"60,415 COVID-19 deaths projected by August 4, 2020"
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-b…

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Good luck with the projection..but with the idiot president desperate for business to resume and the stocks to go up - there will be so much death like you never have seen.

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He may be a dick -- but he had no chance of Americans surrendering their freedom of assembly speech bear arms etc rights -- even if they could work out it was the only way to prevent 100,000 deaths they would still not have chosen it -- hell most would starve without takeaways!

They may well get to 100000 deaths before they take is seriously enough --- and probably the only chance is if a couple of states close their borders and shows it works - if you want an indicator of how its going -- check out the flightradar app ---- like a airway rush hour still !

and did i mention they all have guns .........

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For the wealthy and middle class in other countries it might actually be worthwhile and appealing to holiday for a month or more somewhere without the virus and not in lockdown even if you had to be quarantined in a hotel for two weeks first. The alternative is likely to be sitting around at home for a few months.

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Or: Here's a novel idea: We could price our tourism industry so that locals could afford it?

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Do both. $100K per person for each non-Kiwi tourist to enter the country, have all the tests, and spend 14 days in a "luxury" quarantine. After that, they can pay the normal price for the tourist stuff.

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How about seeing per head GDP rising, enabling incomes to rise.

Jobs and rising incomes. What's the case against these?

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They would still need quarantining, not unless the quarantine becomes part of the holiday. They could turn Queenstown into a huge quarantine station that is gated from the rest of NZ. Could help solve some of the tourism problems if they did this.

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3 days notice. We are still waiting on the great plan to get the economy moving again..waiting..waiting. But guess the most important thing was to make sure the Easter bunny and tooth fairy were still operating.

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That's still a valid criticism. This government's economic capability is their Achilles heel.

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NZ tumbled into Lockdown, what makes you think this leadership group will do anything other than tumble out of Lockdown.

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they have given 14 days to start planning on level 3, and any smart boss would start working on that plan now, our head office in Singapore has someone temp check everyone at the door in full PPE, plus questions before they can even get in the door and a register of everyone in and out, then they have rules for all workers arriving and leaving 15 minutes apart, work from home, meetings held through video etc etc, so as a company we have a blueprint to work off so are lucky. it is up to each company/boss to make a plan and make sure your staff know want it is before they reopen.
but there will be many sitting around doing nothing but winge which is a problem with a lot of NZ middle management

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finally closing the borders, good, but straight away the herald runs a story how unfair it is, im sorry but if we want to keep it out this is the only way, we need to find all the cases here now and stop it reappearing, as we have seen from the person that went to the conference in Queenstown that has now led to 300+ people being infected, or the cruise ship that led to people in a rest home being infected.
we are an island with a big barrier around us so time to use it

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The other beauty was letting in the pipe band from Washington State where 20 people were already dead from the virus. Closing a border should have been a simple technical task but no, not for this outfit. Instead we have to lock down a country.

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Half time here at Stadium Aotearoa and St Jacinda playing a blinder. But an action packed 40 minutes yet to go. Can the neo-Libs, shallow capitalists and contrarians snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The humanitarians amongst us certainly hope not.

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"We all want things to go back to normal quickly. But what most of us have probably not yet realized—yet will soon—is that things won’t go back to normal after a few weeks, or even a few months. Some things never will.
This will be hugely damaging to businesses that rely on people coming together in large numbers: restaurants, cafes, bars, nightclubs, gyms, hotels, theaters, cinemas, art galleries, shopping malls, craft fairs, museums, musicians and other performers, sporting venues (and sports teams), conference venues (and conference producers), cruise lines, airlines, public transportation, private schools, day-care centers.
The world has changed many times, and it is changing again. All of us will have to adapt to a new way of living, working, and forging relationships. But as with all change, there will be some who lose more than others"
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/17/905264/coronavirus-pandemic…

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Indeed. The opportunity to fashion an economy that relies not on ever increasing numbers of immigrants and international tourists but instead on one where we make and produce within our means might have a chance. Keynesian deficit spending should be a short term band aid to a severe shock and then we exit the debt laden frenzy of the past 40 years. It'll require a plan with vision to be delivered over a generation and in the meantime, we accept a lower standard of living, keep the borders closed and rebuild from the bottom up.

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Then let those who have made hay at the expense of the rest of us pay for it.

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Am I the only one who thinks this strategy is insane?

The whole world will have dealt with their epidemics in a few months while New Zealand hides like the hermit kingdom.

What if a reliable vaccine is not forthcoming? We just wait and wait and wait...?

It's lunacy.

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You are alwys free to leave....Im optimistic about the next 6 months...so too will the older generation who where probably pretty concerned at this outbreak (and are still alive)

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I'm not even free to leave my front door buddy.

London has 6-9% of the population showing symptoms at the moment according to collected data. The world hasnt ended there and the epidemic will simply burn through and subside on its own within months. Europe is ready to loosen restrictions already.

Normality will return to the world while NZ is still the hermit kingdom. This is the corner the decision makers are painting us into and politically there is no exit from it except a mythical vaccine at some indeterminate point in the far future.

I'm not sure I'm ready to swallow that without question.

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Sorry - you will be free to travel in 2-3 weeks - hermit kingdom, maybe Jackson can make a movie out if it?

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There won't be flights running out of the hermit kingdom. Have you noticed that Jackson movies tend to be really really boring?

On a serious note my friends and family in Europe don't seem to be whipped into a hysterical media frenzy about the impending apocalypse. There are some social distancing measures at the moment. You can still go out. Several of them have already had it. Things are expected to gradually become more normal over the summer.

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Are your friends in Sweden or the Netherlands? I hear they are free to go out in groups. The downside is hundreds of deaths and ICUs fill of bilateral pneumonia covid cases. If that is the price of freedom of movement and freedom of congregation I am not convinced it is worth it.

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S Korea - with no lockdown - is the model to follow. Why are we trashing our economy rather than following the S Korean model?

"South Korea reported 39 confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Thursday, its lowest number of new infections since late February."
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/09/South-Korea-reports-…

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Do we have a vaccine for the common cold, because this virus is related? A vaccine could be years away, and testing can't be rushed as we don't want any Vaccine to be worse then the disease.
Do you actually think the rest of the world is coping and has it under control? The US is a mess and New York has mass death Have you been watching world news, overseas people are going to be in isolation for months and months. Even China is only now only after 5 months starting to relax their isolation.

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to compare this to a cold is just plan wrong,
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/coldflu.htm

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Not sure what your point is. This virus is a relation to the common cold and SARS, as all are coronovrius, but obviously this is a lot more deadly than a cold. My point is that we don't even have a vaccine for the cold, because coronviruses are very difficult to make vaccines for, I don't know if it has even be done before. I don't beleive there was any vaccine for SARS which this is also related to. This virus I understand is no relation to the flu, hence why a flu vaccine can't be used for it.

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Covid19 is a distant cousin of common cold and a (non-identical) twin of SARS. There is already a SARS vaccine ..

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It will be bought under control and social distancing measures will be gradually relaxed over the coming weeks and months in the developed world. Treatments will improve. The numbers of infected developing serious complications will turn out to be overblown.

There is a very myopic and filtered view of world news in New Zealand. We live in an echo chamber.

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Are they overblown in Italy or Spain, or New York? This affects older people the worst, so will greatly affect older populations worst. In NZ, as highlighted by the PM, the main people infected are travellers where many are in their 20's and 30's, which have a low mortality rate, which is one reason we have only had one death so far. But once the health system is overloaded, the mortality rates increase, and if we hadn't gone into lockdown, we would have reached that point in NZ after a period of time

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I'm not saying that social distancing isn't necessary. Slowing the spread is desirable so that health systems can cope with the small number of infected people that get into serious trouble.

But Jacinda has decided to do something very different with New Zealand with the hermit kingdom approach. It's a big gamble with profound implications and no exit strategy or timeline.

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The problem is that the spread of this virus is exponential, and there is a big lag during the incubation period. Other countries including many states in the US are also in lockdown, also UK is also in lockdown, but none of those countries have a chance to eliminate it. The only difference is that we went into lockdown earlier, and this allowed us the chance to eliminate it. The cost to both life and economy could be far greater if we had delayed it, and then faced going into lockdown multiple times over the next few years to try and 'flatten the curve', so our health system can cope. IMO a lockdown/s was only a matter of time whatever happened, based on what has occurred overseas, so the only gamble IMO was when this occurred. To delay it IMO would be a bigger gamble Especially as we are now heading into winter. So I think the government made the right decision. The bigger gamble will be when we come out of it, as we want to avoid going back into lockdown gain.
Lockdowns are something many other countries will have to keep doing over the next 18+ months as second and third waves occur.

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I am arguing that the long term risk to the economy is much greater with the hermit approach.

Odds are that the world will find a reasonably effective drug treatment in the coming weeks and months and just get on with life.

Meanwhile in New Zealand... a vaccine is years away while the young are wrecked for the benefit of a few of the boomer generation. Same Same.

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I dint think it was insane. But Im starting to think we went a bit too hard. I just spoke to a couple of my suppliers in Qld. They sound like they are doing very well, without the approach we have taken. They also have had the opportunity to get process and procedure in place to largely make their businesses (and their customers businesses - they are wholesalers like me) contactless. We have all that to go through yet, so potentially well behind the curve. Their lives have changed, but not like ours.
I had the cops come into my warehouse when I was there. I drove 7 ks from home to my warehouse, was the only one there stocktaking, they were randomly patrolling (industrial area) and I was told not to come back until after the lockdown. Logic has left the room.

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Logic has left the room.

Exactly my thoughts.

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Unlike NZ, they probably can't eliminate it now. But many people over there are also stuck at home. How is NZ much different? Over there they are also giving instant fines, so potentially things are far more strict over there. They also could be in lockdowns for months and months.

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The problem as I see it, is that they aren't actually following the alerts.

Official Alert levels.
Level 2 - Educational Facilities are open
Level 3 - Educational Facilities are open, but if a school had a case they were shut.
Level 4 - Educational Facilities are shut.

How it was actually applied
Level 2 - Educational Facilities were open
Level 3 - Educational Facilities were officially open, But only if you were the student of an essential services worker.
Level 4 - Educational Facilities were shut.

My child's daycare was officially open at level 3. However I couldn't send my child as I am not an essential worker - result is legally I still had to pay for two days as I Chose was not allowed to send my child. 2 days worth of charges I can wear (but many others can't). Going forwards however....

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Does anyone know the author of the alert levels who was/were in the room when they were ideated?

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Except we weren't 'really' in level 3, it was more of a level-3-moving-to-level-4 situation.

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The serious discussion will start soon on how to pay for the result of the pandemic this will bring lots of political discourse . All parties can then show their colors once the virus is under control . It will be interesting no votes will go to the party nominating more sales to foreigners of our assets especially any sniff of CCP involvement

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QE / printing money. What assets do we have left to sell , that will make much of a dent? Many countries are going to be affected so this isn't a problem unique to NZ. I guess like house, it is a debt that we will have to paid off over time for future generations.

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Payment is by way of trashing the currency.

Think of your day to day spending power going backwards.
Think of assets needing more dollars to acquired.

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I don't disagree, but it seems many countries are doing it. It is perhaps a question that needs to be asked to NZs finance minister.

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If all countries are trashing their currencies, are they really trashing them?

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Sounds like the Aussies are baying for CCP blood.

I do like what they have done with foreign buyers there, now band. They are worried about China buying up...

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Sounds like the Aussies are baying for CCP blood.

I do like what they have done with foreign buyers there, now band. They are worried about China buying up...

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QE didn't work in 08 just led to larger vulnerabilities this time . Agreed nz not alone but that doesn't alter the problem . Will be lead in part by others reaction euro block already looking at multinationals tax and financial transactions tax wait for the squeal from the finance industry !!

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It’ll be stagflation if we overcook QE.
I’m picking across the board deflation, with realestate hit hardest. It’ll be interesting to see how the banks react to the large exposure here. They will be fighting hard to maintain status of normalcy while those that have lost business and jobs fall into the abyss. There’s only so much of propping up a Government can do before the currency takes a bath.

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This is interesting.
Australia is doing better than NewZealand.

Skynews
https://youtu.be/SABNK2Q6-Dc

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/new-zealand-population/

Cases per million. Virus.
Australia: 239.
New Zealand: 257.

Australia has had kept NZ aligned in border defenses and have been better quarantine current arrivals.

NZ has been slack with international arrivals compliance.
NZ has been testing less.
DHBs have been playing a blinder!

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Must-read paper suggesting will take 6-12weeks lockdown to eradicate Wuflu in NZ. Alternative is cycles of 4 weeks lockdown 4 weeks open. So what do we do? I personally am for eradication, expensive now but can then open up NZ fully afterwards to make best recovery possible. https://cpb-ap-se2.wpmucdn.com/blogs.auckland.ac.nz/dist/d/75/files/201…

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Minister Hipkins has given dates back to school April 27th hes let the cat out of the Bag?

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How would eradication help? Not that it's remotely possible, but if it were then New Zealand would have to become more exclusive than the Exclusive Brethren.

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NZ public & current govt, would love to watch this - during the lock-down period: (sorry Bluey..)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGrBCtOt4Qs

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1507/S00101/the-fire-economy-new-zeal…

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