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Surging kiwi dollar hits post-float high against the British pound

Surging kiwi dollar hits post-float high against the British pound

The New Zealand dollar ended the week at an all-time post-float high against the sinking British pound, at NZ$1 = GDB 0.4924.

That is the highest it has been in more than 24 years, and comes after dismal UK housing data was released.

In fact, the New Zealand dollar rallied against all major currencies overnight, hitting a 30 month high against the US greenback, a six month high against the yen, and almost a 2 month high against both the euro and the Aussie dollar.

The surging kiwi dollar is now at a 28 month high against the trade weighted index almost hitting an index value of 70.0, and impressing currencty analysts worldwide with its strength.

Far less impressed will be local exporters.

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Clicking through your chart you can see that the NZD has spiked up against ALL of the currencies listed in the last week or so. So much for that tired old argument "it's not NZD strength, it's XXX currency weakness". So are our economic fundamentals so good that NZD strength is justified?  Hardly, ALL of the countries listed had better Q2 growth than us.

It's speculation of course, but why the NZD? Because of our ultra-orthodox monetary policy and a puppet-to-the-markets  RBNZ governor who is quite happy to preside over the de-diversification of our productive sector and make sure we remain a low wage farm & theme park economy.

Bollard, WHY HAVE YOU GONE AWOL ON THIS???

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From the Economist

Free money, come and get it

Nov 5th 2010, 9:24 by Buttonwood

WELL, I was wrong. I thought that, markets being at least mildly efficient, they would have discounted the Federal Reserve's latest round of QE. The Dow was up more than 200 points yesterday, dragging European markets with it; several commodities rose to two-year highs; and gold was close to its peak. In the bond market, the yields fell in the 7-to-10 year part of the curve, where Fed buying will be concentrated.

The bad news was confined to the 30-year bond, where the yield rose to more than 4% (an entirely understandable reaction) and to the dollar which dropped to its lowest trade-weighted level this year. I say "bad news" but of course US exporters will regard it as good news. if you are a foreign creditor of the US, or a competitor in export markets, you will be less pleased.

The FT carries a story today, covering the complaints of the rest of the world including this quote from a newspaper run by the Chinese central bank:

As long as the world exercises no restraint in issuing global currencies such as the dollar - and this is not easy - then the occurrence of another crisis is inevitable, as quite a few wise westerners lament.

A Chinese official has also suggested that QE, rather than current account targets, should be on the agenda for next week's G20 meeting, a sign that little positive will emerge from that shindig.

The Americans may say that dollar depreciation is a side-effect, not the main aim, of QE. But, given that the laws of suppy and demand have not been repealed, it is hard to see how one can imagine that creating a lot more dollars will do anything but drive down the price.

As the value of the world's reserve currency falls, it should not be too surprising, I suppose, that other assets rise in price. The Fed is handing out free money so why not buy something tangible with it? And the wealth effect, by boosting asset prices and thus confidence, is one way that optimists argue QE will work.

I still struggle to understand how creating more claims on wealth adds to wealth itself, as if slicing a pizza into eight not four pieces creates more food. To me, this is all very reminiscent of the schemes of John Law and the south sea bubble, which worked for a time, but only for a time. Lots of things can go wrong. If the dollar keeps falling, why would foreign creditors keep accepting low yields on Treasury bonds, a money-losing proposition? If commodities rise, won't that act as a tax increase for western consumers? What will happen to Europe, where the peripheral countries are struggling, money market rates are rising, and the currency is up to $1.42? But maybe I will be wrong again.

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Give or take the mkt is discounting QE III.

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It is certainly not our high interest rates! It is because we still have a good story to tell. We are fiscally conservative, our economy is the "least ugly" compared to many in the world.

Also I believe there is a lot of money coming in to pay out the insurance company claims from the Canterbury earthquake. The NZD/AUD rallied 2 cents the day before the RBA raised Australian interest rates. That did not make sense. Maybe a large Australian insurer bought NZDs to reimburse their NZ insurance branch. The sums involved are in the billions (think of all the damage in CHCH and all the private claims resulting) and that could account for the gains over the last few weeks. There will be more to come from London insurers as well, so that could also explain the NZD/GBP rise.

We make food and export it to Asia, a strongly growing marketplace. 60% of our exports are commodity driven and even in NZD terms are at 7 year highs. 30% of our exports go to Australia, a booming economy. You don't hear AUD exporters complaining!

So, looking at US exports if you take out commodity exports you are left with a smaller number. Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, etc etc all have stronger currencies as the USD weakens against them. So exporters to those countries can put the prices up as they have a stronger domestic currency to compensate. It is those non commodity exporters to the USA that will suffer. According to the stats about 11% of our export trade flows. But frankly they are under extreme pressure anyway. The US does not want their products, as they are battling trade imbalances. Unless you are in a niche market, there will be no demand anyway as the US consumer and the US government is strapped for cash.

The NZD/USD will test the 0.8200 highs and make new post float highs. It may even see the 0.9000 region. It is a good thing for NZ, and it reflects the reality of today's marketplace.

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KT: A high kiwi makes commodity producers less competitive because their cost is in kiwi and their revenue in USD, and it is posible that the relation will deter further,  they are not as happy as you think,  it keeps inflation in check and that is good for NZ.

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A low kiwi and a strong dollar would be ideal for NZ.

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Yeah – should be easy - why not talk to Bollard and ask for a low Kiwi$ for exporters/ tourism for 10 months and a high one for importers/ holiday- makers for 2 months of the year – makes sense ! The only problem I can see is to pick the right 2 months with a high Kiwi$.

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What I mean is that I don't see why some are so happy about the kiwi on steroids, unless you are trading the currency hipe, fine, but it is not in the best interest of NZ .

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A low NZD teaches exporters to sell on price.

A high NZD teaches exporters to sell on value.

Germany and Japan showed us for the 50 years post WW2 that a strong currency creates strong exporters. To sell on value you have to have brands. When you have brands you simply put the price up.

Mercedes, BMW, Prada Porsche the list goes on. Make the best!

A weak NZD just means we continue to export commodifed goods. We need to export brands of quality, and that is why a strong NZD is the best for NZ in the long run.

A weak NZD over many years (remember the NZD/USD at 1.25 anyone?) has not produced strong exporters. It has simply produced price takers in a climate of running to RBNZ/Govt to intervene to lower the currency to compensate for their lack of brand and ability to raise prices.

It did not work before (remember the NZD/USD at 0.4000!) and it will not now.

A strong NZD is the best for NZ in the long run. Just ask Germany.

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Yes, and , No. Up until the mid '80's Japan and Germany benefitted from very weak currencies, that made their exports to the States cheap. Pretty much the China situation of today. The Plaza Accord set out to change that situation.

"The exchange rate value of the dollar versus the yen declined by 51% from 1985 to 1987..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

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In 1950 the USD bought 4 Deutsche Marks

In 1950 the USD bought 361 Yen

In 2000 the USD bought 2 Deutsche Marks

In 2000 the USD bought 108 Yen

Over 50 years the USD weakened significantly and thus the German Deutsche Mark and the Japanese Yen strengthened significantly, thus producing strong value- added export markets that were able to cope with strong currencies through continual efficiency improvements.

 

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Read it anyway you like. The fact is without Plaza the USDL was headed for the moon. ie: Germany and Japan had weak currencies until co-ordinated intervention stopped them. So you might want to look at your chart for the Yen and Mark in 1985. Without those currency benefits it's arguable that BMW or Mercedes would still just be domestic German brands  - taxis in Bonn.

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US interest rates reached 20% in the mid 80's thus producing the wildly overvalued USD.

Paul Volcker (Chairman of the Federal Reserve) raised interest rates to crush inflation in the early Reagan years.

 The Plaza Accord was the action taken to fix this, as well as lowering US interest rates.

I know, I was there!

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So....let's see....yes, the US$ was overvalued...20% and all... ( the yen and the mark were weak) and yes.. the trade balance was out of wack...the Japanese and the Germans were able to export at very attractive rates to the USA.....and.... Well. Isn't this just what I was pointing out? Germany and Japan made their gains when the dollar was at it's peak/their currencies were low? Isn't that when NZ should do it's bit in the global sphere? Not when 'our currency is strong"?

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The point I am making is that that was a 2-3 year aberration out of 50 years. Germany and Japan were helped by that sure, but it was not the reason that they succeeded over 50 years of strong currencies. Any economy will take a weak currency when it comes and welcome it, especially when the economy is buggered. But how it performs in a strong currency environment depends on value, not price.

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Wrong! The Chinese economy is doing...well...quite well...so I'm told in GDP terms ( give or take a manipulation or two)...and we could too. But not now. We need to...take a cut in wages... to complete with our competitors ( is that tautology?)... and get our country, my country, the one I choose to live in, on it's own two feet. Not on someone elses borrowings. That ( the borrowings) is what 'appears' to make the kiwi strong. Not the fundementals. Lets' 'make' soemthing.... and not just houses, eh? 

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A high NZD teaches exporters to sell on value.

An example of that in a New Zealand context would be...? Let's face it even our glamour film industry needs a $80m subsidy to survive.

A strong NZD is the best for NZ in the long run. Just ask Germany.

I worked in Germany for 12 years. We are light years away from their level of technological literacy, attention to quality, operational efficiency, work ethic... (jeez where do I stop).

You are obviously a member of some paper-shuffling profession who has never tried to export something in his/her life.

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That does not mean that we should not aspire to be like Germany. What we have tried in the past clearly has not worked. A lower NZD just makes us all poorer!

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Actually, a strong NZDL makes up poorer as we are a net importers, or will be moreso, if our exports are priced out. We do not have the pricing power that you think we have to command the premuim prices to support our imports. Aspire, by all means! But that comes in a time when we are able to develop. At the moment, I'd be concentrating just on survival.

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That does not mean that we should not aspire to be like Germany.

Well "smile and wave, smirk smirk" sure ain't gonna get us there is it.

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Let's not lose sight of a very important fact regarding NZ: not everyone here wants to devote their life to the corporation in order to generate wealth.

If that is your thing, there are numerous countries with that kind of culture and ethos for you to choose from, and we wish you all the best.

Of course, those who believe "it's all about the money" will always claim that those who think other wise are good-for-nothing lazy bludgers who are keeping this country poor", and you're entitled to the opinion.

Next time I'm relaxing on the beach on a sunny day, in the shade of a pohutukawa tree, and with a good book and a nice drink, I shall devote a few seconds to analyse your opinion. Or not.

In the meantime, if you're still interested, someone told me that the Germans and the Japanese and the Koreans are always on the lookout for more good company men. Think of the money!

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I remember those days, Kiwi Trader, (remember the NZD/USD at 1.25 anyone?) but I was only a kid. Interestingly enough as well, New Zealand was up near the top of the OECD back then, not near the bottom as it has been now for the last decade or two.

I've always leaned towards the view that the value of a country's currency reflects its overall economic performance and wealth. NZD/USD at 0.40 doesn't bare thinking about really.

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Only if the price stays the same in USD nominal terms. If the price goes up in USD, it should even out. If the US is trying to deflate their currency to reduce their debt load, the likely outcome is 'real' products (the type of things that are the basis of the NZ economy) will go up in USD nominal terms.

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Any kind of war are explainable in a few words:   

A few stupid people on top of important countries making the wrong decisions again and again and the public/ media listening - watching - supporting and admiring them.

 We are running after the wrong principles in life.

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You are so right , Walter ! Remember " The War on Poverty " legislation that Lyndon Johnson created in the USA , circa 1964 . ............... It failed utterly . The ramping up of the welfare state in the US did nothing to alleviate poverty , and it was shelved a few years later .

New Zealand is persisting with the welfare state  , though . Must've been a rampant success in your country !

Hey Bernard : Contra to what you seem to believe , poverty is not just a modern theme in the USA post GFC , it is an entrenched part of their history .

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We are just one of the better bets in a very sick western world...think you've got it bad, try being middle class at the moment in the US, UK or parts of europe. In that environment we have to expect a higher Kiwi, and why blame Bollard for that when in fact it could be argued that he's taking real risks in keeping Kiwi interest rates as low as he is.....what drives NZ out of recessions is ALWAYS export lead growth and higher commodity prices.

A high currency is a positive sign for a country, even for a commodity producer like NZ if the USD commodity prices are also high (which they are) because of a weak USD. NZ is experiencing record terms of trade, but quite rightly the consumer is deleveredging and the flow on effect for spending and retailers will not be seen for some time yet. But that is what has to happen, it is good news, and barring another global melt down that can never be ruled out, we shouldn't be so damn negative all the time 
 

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Totally agree!

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try being middle class at the moment in the US, UK or parts of europe. In that environment we have to expect a higher Kiwi

I doubt there's a single currency trader in the world buying NZD because our middle class is better off than their's. Our economic fundamentals are crap as well (Q2 growth 0.2% and that while borrowing $250m per week), this is about SPECULATION and a country being too wimpish to defend it's economic sovereignty.

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So in other words you want everyone to invest in property?

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Mr Newland  pops into interest.co.nz  from time to time , to tell us to invest in property . He wouldn't steer us wrong . ......... Not wise  old Uncle Ollie .

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Wait until the turmoil in Western societies take off and everyone likes to be a Kiwi. I’m sure among them many with a lot of monny – and because our economy in despair, I’m convinced the immigration department let them in -the  thousand's - to boost the so called economy = another property bubble – HA !!!

Without more natural events like Mr. Mt. Ruapehu or Ms. Quake, New Zealand could easy grow to 5 millions in the next 5 years.

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That's the wet dream scenario of everyone still in the property industry.

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What " turmoil " is that , Walter ? Have you been reading Hickey's litanies of woe & despair , the " Top 10 " , again . Or been into Wolly's " MarketOracle " ............. Well don't ! There is enuff real problems in every day  Struggle Street , without saddling your soul with the daily fire & brimstone financial sermons of Reverend Bernie & Altered-boy Wolly .

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Seems to me GBH that those are the common recent predictions of desperate property bulls, not the likes of BH.

Spruikers are reduced to praying for "fire & brimstone" to occur overseas to save their overextended Kiwi butts.

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Luckily for the spruikers , QEll will fuel market sentiment , and waves of " hot " Asian munny sloshing around the world . The property " bubble " in NZ & OZ is spared a pricking ......... For now !

The GFC has exposed the Western economies as being too complacent in their world-leading views  ;  and too indebted to their welfare & entitlement committments .

The balance of world domination is slowly , but surely , shifting towards the " emerging " market economies ............. What is so bad or scarey about that ?

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"Luckily for the spruikers , QEll will fuel market sentiment , and waves of " hot " Asian munny sloshing around the world . The property " bubble " in NZ & OZ is spared a pricking ......... For now !"

Um, you need to get out more. The NZ property bubble is toast. The Aussie bubble's demise can't be far behind.

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I did get out ! Sold my lovely 3 brm abode in Loburn NZ , and  am now luxuriating in my nipa hut , on Panay Bay , in the Philippines .

Just because a market may be in " bubble "  territory , does not imply that it subsequently will pop ....... it may expand further ........... it may crab-sideways for a long period .............. or it may slowly fizzle .

You tell me  how do you know  which scenario will unfold ........ And after that , kindly give me the names of winners from the races at Riccarton , next week .

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Every man and his dog is now rushing to sell the boxes for which they paid far too much, but no one is buying.

Right now the sellers are still telling themselves that they'll get "top dollar" but sooner or later they will come to realise that it's a fantasy and that they will have to face reality and drop their prices.

Of course by then it will be far too late. It's already far too late. The bubble has burst.

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Can you quantify " every man and his dog " ?

Stats released regularly on this website are mixed , from month to month . Sometimes down in price averages and volumes sold , sometimes up .

The bubble hasn't burst , merely begun a slow deflation .

And as long as the mainstream media and financial journos ( such as Chicken-Little Hickey ) keep  the continuous wailing of bubbles bursting , debts spiralling , double-dips , under-the-bridge-dwellers ; I'll keep believing the opposite . ......... . If Bernard ever gets positive on the state of the world's economies ........ I'm bailing out !

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Neco, frankly you have no idea - yes, even the biggest dog of the lot, the US, had annualised growth of 2% last quarter , but the market still buys NZDs. The question you should be asking yourself is whether US growth rates will out perform NZ's over the next few months/quarters/years.  Markets look AHEAD at an economy's prospects, growth rates, and future interest rates, future returns on their money invested.

Of course FX markets do not buy currencies based upon who's got a better middle class, it was a used as an indication as to how bad or otherwise it is in both economies, and who will expereince the stronger growth in the future...ours won't be massive, but its a easy bet that it will be higher than theirs i.e. the other country involved in the rate you're so focused upon.

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You give the market far more credence than you should, Grant A! This is what the market probably looks at " Oh look! Australia has put it's interest rates up. New Zealand will probably follow; better buy the kiwi before they do, and sell when they do". FX dealers are really quite simple creatures.

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If FX dealers thought like that they would quickly go broke.

Try trading currencies one day, that sharpens your thought processes very quickly.

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Why? Wouldn't it work? Of course it would ! Its a milli second by miili second world out there. Who has time to evaluate the GDP of a 'third world" country like New Zealand? No one. It's in ,and out. Why else is our currency traded way beyond it's fair weight?

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Come here to the Philippines for a few months , and you'll never have the temerity to call NZ a " third world " country again .

FX is not for the faint-hearted . Which is one reason I'm against Bernard's idea that central planners have more control over our currency . Care to have Alan Bollard gambling with NZ tax-payers munny again ?

Either you float your currency  , or you peg ........ Don't shilly-shelly around in between .

Fair question to ask , who is it that  deems our currency to be weighted incorrectly ?

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No, FX isn't for the faint-of-anything.....But they do take notice of what 'the planners' want. Bollard, Bernake.....wouldn't want to be either....how they sleep,( physically) I do not know...But the reality is, someone has to do it....And we've tried all; fixed; float and MCI ( a combination of interest rate and FX)....there is no 'right' answer...Now, Where that Bolly...( not the Governor, silly...)

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What;s the fair weight? ...and how do you know?

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Ah! You see, the mystique of the internet. I have no idea who you are....or you me.

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Finally it all comes back to productivity – we aren’t just productive enough. The current international environment and its consequences make exporting of our major earner agriculture and other exporters unbalanced with the risk of too many fluctuations. This could become a further problem for our economy.

 For years I’m advocating to reduction of quality imports in order to stop our growing account deficit. As I described many times planning, designing, manufacturing and maintaining our infrastructure needs right here in NZ. Adding more quality segments to our secondary economy sector is essential. This would have  a number significant advantages for our economy.

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Spot on, Walter! But let's do it when the time is right to do it. That's not now. But later. And let's make sure that the money we borrow is put to good use, not just pass-the-property -parcel. Anyway. I'm off for  a Gummy Bears bubbly now.  Cheers....

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Meanie ! You know I'm not allowed any plonk . Doctor's orders ........... And a cute little number she is too .......  Can't wait to get attacked by the local mongrels again !

........... No more bubbly , so sweet and yummy

............ No Tanduay , sweet and gooey

............An empty Gummy tummy ,  just ain't funny

............ Rice and fried fish , on every dish

.............Bernard's right , life is crummy !

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I agree Nicholas, we don't, but let me assure you that  I fully understand the mentality of FX traders. And in the short term, the very short term, that might make them money...talking seconds/minutes here. Longer-term Kiwi Trader is dead right. Besides, its not "Fx traders" that determine where the NZ Dollar goes, its the likes of global funds managers, and shorter-term, hedge funds.

What people are forgetting I think is that with debt to GDP here at less than  30%, compared to US,UK and most european countries at 90 - 120%, NZ is in a far stronger position for future growth..yes, we have high private debt but it looks like individuals are trying to do something about that hence the retail pain. It means that we don't need to start printing money for the sake of it, but if the likes of one or two of the bloggers here think that would be a good thing for us to do to cap the NZD, they have NO idea of the folly and risks asscoiated with that rare practice....the other countries doing this would not for one moment contemplate doing so unless they weren't so far up a creek without a paddle...take interest rates to zero, borrow a trillion to bail out and provide stimulus, no effect, what next ?  in desperation, you print money and hope...it has never been a successful strategy or why not do it every day ? NZ is a gaint in comparison at the moment

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But, Grant. Is 'our' Debt to GDP less that 30%? Public,- sure, but add in the private sector, and weigh it up against the overseas equivalent? Looks grim to me.  If you'd read my historical posts ( I really don't expect you to have) you'd know that I see  an OCR of... 0%. I still do. We have private committments that make me shiver. I see the result in the States, and I hope we avoid that. And as for 'other countries' capping their exchange rates ; isn't that what China has done...and you think they will be the 'loser'?

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NZ has one mkt that is reliable, Australia. what has pulled the NZ cart out of the hole in the past year is an exchange rate that has climbed twice to the 1.30 range. Make no mistake after a couple of months back down to the 1.20 range or lower and you will see weird numbers coming out of NZ. Talking about giants, ask yourself why Brasil -a giant in my opinion- wich exports from veggies to aircrafts is puting all kinds of barriers to the flow of fiat paper ?... Someone here in the blog said that a strong NZD will make NZ a top quality finished products exporter, I beg to disagree, that will make you a top quality finished goods importer, arithmetics... any way enjoy it while it is there, buy that car or travel or what ever.

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No, you're right, private and public it's closer to 200% and that's our vunerability. But we are no way as vunerable as the other countries mentioned. If you're requesting zero interest rates understand that you're asking for interest rates less than the rate of inflation - you are stating that we're really stuffed when you ask for that... Youre demanding the massive speculative activity that comes with that, and which is going to wreak havoc with those other economies that are heading down that route without other choices ...we are not there yet, and may not be ...you go there as a LAST resort

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Actually, with an OCR at zero, I see positve real interest rates! Inflation is not going to be the issue. And yes, I think we have real problems, that can be addressed with a companion drop in the tax rates and a slashing of public sector spending. But that's not going to happen, I'm afraid.....

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Sorry, to clarify, public debt is the focus at the moment in terms of currency I suspect, but public and private dent impacts us through the cost of funds that our banks have to pay for funds, and therefore have to pass onto borrowers...it's not insignificant

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Sorry, to clarify, public debt is the focus at the moment in terms of currency I suspect, but public and private dent impacts us through the cost of funds that our banks have to pay for funds, and therefore have to pass onto borrowers...it's not insignificant

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There can be no argument as to whether a strong NZD is good or bad for NZ with respect to the tourism sector - and tourism has just surpassed dairy in terms of foreign exchange earnings;

The Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA) says new government figures released today show that tourism has outstripped the dairy sector as New Zealand’s top export industry. 

http://www.tianz.org.nz/main/news-detail/index.cfm/articleId/786/ 

We need to bear in mind most of these bookings were made when the NZD was around .55 - .65 to the USD.  I suspect forward bookings will take to the cliff pretty soon because of the double whammy of commodity (oil) prices rises.

This is aside from Aussies of course - and admittedly they are a large part of our market.  On that front homeowners are looking down the barrel of higher interest rates on mortgage borrowings... might serve to somewhat slow trips across the Tasman.  Additionally, given the high Aussie dollar, them heading to the "basket case" Western regions becomes a very attractive alternate to NZ.

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The NZ dairy industry does quite a bit of damage to the the environment while earning relatively small sums for the country and even most of that is confined to a small sector. Compare NZ's dairy industry with the likes of giant businesses such as Google or Microsoft. Any of those companies earn ten times the amount NZ's entire dairy industry does, and they do it without raping the environment to death in the process.

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You need to research how many coal fired power stations are needed to run Google's server farms.

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You need to Google how much power NZ's dairy industry uses.

One good thing is that most of the generators in our coal-fired stations (such as Huntly) sit idle most of the time because hydro is able to cope with demand...So a Google in a dairy-less NZ wouldn't have to worry about energy capacity.

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Yes Kate, it's a reflection of more quantqtive easings from the US that NZ can do little about - this is a problem for all the non currency printing economies and will eventually end up in extreme pressure on the US and their continuing fall as the major economy of the world - it will take a fair while but they are currently ensuring it will happen

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I think many people here are mixing up the terms “Central Planning Model” and “Mixed Economy Model”

I’m against central planning as long as free markets are working for the private sector. Of some reasons any involvement of the government in business activities seems a nightmare in this country (see eg. NZMEA Les Rudd and John Wally)

 Here the philosophy of “Mixed Economy Model” from Wikipedia:

The term mixed economy is used to describe economic systems which stray from the ideals of either the market, or various planned economies, and "mix" with elements of each other. As most political-economic ideologies are defined in an idealized sense, what is described rarely if ever exists in practice. Most would not consider it unreasonable to label an economy that, while not being a perfect representation, very closely resembles an ideal by applying the rubric that denominates that ideal. However, when a system in question diverges to a significant extent from an idealized economic model or ideology, the task of identifying it can become problems. Hence, the term "mixed economy" was coined. As it is unlikely that an economy will contain a perfectly even mix, mixed economies are usually noted as being skewed towards either private ownership or public ownership, toward capitalism or socialism, or toward a market economy or command economy in varying degrees.[10]

 In the current severe worldwide economic situation where exporters/ tourism are struggling a good working co- operation from the Private Sector with the Government is of high value.

 An almost ideal model for NZ:

 Dirigisme is an economic policy initiated under Charles de Gaulle of France designating an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence. It involved state control of a minority of the industry, such as transportation, energy and telecommunication infrastructures, as well as various incentives for private corporations to merge or engage in certain projects. Under its influence France experienced what is called "Thirty Glorious Years" of profound economic growth.

 Our government should be obligated to assign, when ever possible all orders to NZcompanies (manufacturers).

 Energy, Public Transport, Telecommunication

 Two examples of how we should proceed with infrastructure needs in Energy and other such as Public Transport:

Financially and economically it doesn’t make sense to import or to produce heavy and expensive machinery/ equipment like turbines/ generators, nuclear power plants or heavy trains.

Such imports are mostly under overseas contracts, managed and installed by overseas technicians and workers, without hardy any local workforce especially skilled ones.

In stead we should research, develop and produce –SMALLER UNITS- manufactured and installed by Kiwis in our own country.

Sustainable Public Transport - developing a sector of industry to cover public mobility within a 100- 150km radius. Innovative businesses producing SMALL QUALITY UNITS starting from bikes, scoters, light rail systems and the interaction within, hardly seen in other countries. All planned, developed, installed, maintained and ran by Kiwis.

Sustainable Power supply/ savers SMALLER QUALITY UNITS developed, produced, locally/ regional installed and ran/ maintained by Kiwis.

 - increase employment opportunity -
- better education after school –

-  technical skill and knowledge improvements -
- higher wages/ imports of brainpower –
-  positive influence to other sectors/ fields such as Science and Research -

- less quality imports / reduction of account deficit -
- control and sovereignty –

- quality infrastructure services –

- national security improvement –

- almost no affects caused by natural events –

  The list of advantages is almost endless.

 

Conclusion:

Finally it all comes back to productivity – we aren’t just productive enough. The current international environment and its consequences make life for our 2 major earners agriculture/ tourism tough. We need a balanced economy to minimise the risk of too many fluctuations – adding new solid segments in our secondary sector is a clever solution avoiding that.

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Bernhard can you make the article I wrote above and the comment here with the 2 links  public please:

For Mr. Joyce Mr. Brownlee - and other people interested in New Zealand making real progress - with real productivity - in the real economy:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy       ->      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme

I think it is now time to stop endless discussions and take practical actions. In the most difficult, fast changing time with many uncertainties on international financial, economic, political, social and environmental front, my proposals are a brilliant addition to help our economy.

We also need a national education program, which is dedicated to make to public aware how important production is for NZ.

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When asset values inflate to the extent ours have - principally real estate, which is then used to leverage credit to buy even more, then a correction is inevitable.  The pain is necessary and entirely predictable.

A high NZ dollar will enable private and public debtors to reduce debt (if they are smart enough to cash in their chips and walk away from the borrowing table) significantly.  Housing and commercial properties will be subject to price corrections that place them within the budgets of middle-class purchasers.  Savers will benefit from a steady yield on their savings as they reduce household debt loads. 

The downside is a hit on exports, but this will be greatly mitigated by what is happening globally.  On the upside - emerging markets will have stronger purchasing power and that shows up rather quickly in their food choices.   Adding dairy and meat protein to their diets is an inevitable consequence.  As major  western economies slash government spending to balance the loss of tax revenue and service their massive debt loads, huge subsidies to european and american farmers will face cuts:  this will make NZ exports more competitive. 

It is also obvious that Bernanke's plan is to inflate away American debt by diluting the value of US dollars.  One of his intended consequences is to drive up equity prices on US exchanges, but overseas investors will be looking to hedge against a collapse of the dollar and stocks by purchasing safe and hard overseas assets.  These investors will be looking hard at places like New Zealand to park their assets.  Those kiwi farmers who are not profitable will at least be able to liquidate and begin again.

Look - this is going to end badly for everyone, but a damn sight worse for major economies.  Bollard and Key know what they are doing.  If they can resist reacting to the volume of criticism from the more volatile parts of our economy and keep a steady hand to their course, New Zealand could well enter the next decade with a balanced economy that will be the envy of the world. 

The party had to end sometime - some over-indulged.   The hangover is coming, but we are at a crossroad where we can either suffer through it, or open another bit of bubbly so we feel better, only to end up in detox and IMF rehab.

Steady, boys, steady.
 

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Nice one Doug...you must write children's bedtime stories for a living!

Neither Bollard nor Key or English have a clue what the hell is coming down the track.

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  Joe kiwi owes big time! dollar goes up UP UP!! Joe dont owe so much money anymore..national debt down...that side of the equasion dosnt look bad to me.I just cant see the dollar going down in the new environment..you have to ask why is all the Big money buying land wherever it can ..not gold Land! because food is the new gold, a consumable..who's sales keep repeating, year in year out... it just cant get any better fo NZ.The worse it gets out there..the better it gets for NZ.

 We were the only country to come out of the second world war in the Black..As these Scenarios are repeating,I doubt New Zealand could go wrong if it tried.

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Looks good, doesn't it. But what do we repay those debts with? The non existannt exports that we now have because the currency is so high? The objective of the lower US$ is to make USA exports cheaper...you know...those things we would have to compete with them on, for sales of our meat, milk, wine...you name it...the States will be able to sell it cheaper than us. And then we have...no export sale...an import dependent population... and debts still to be paid off.

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It's no wonder we're forever experiencing economic bubbles.

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If economic bubbles bother you , head orf to North Korea or Cuba .......... No bubbles there ............ Apart from in the leaders' imported French champagne .

Bubbles in the capitalist system are a natural thing , and of no major consequence . The free market eventually sorts out the supply/demand balance .

Politicians and their minions ( Alan Greenspan at the US Federal Reverse ) bugger it up . They exacerbate the size of bubbles by their policies ( as Michael Cullen did to the NZ housing market ) , and prolong the time until the inevitable implosion .

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Obama said he wants to double the ammount of exports in the next two years... now you wonder how.  Improving the value of foreign currencies will pull the US of A's exports to the next level. .. all kinds of exports.

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Hope you don't get to taste Made in the USA yoghurt or Texan "oisters".

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I dreamt last night that the Govt. legislated to change our name to New Weimarland...was it a dream...or was it a flashback to earlier times..who knows ?

"Although the inflation ended with the introduction of the Rentenmark and the Weimar Republic continued for a decade afterwards, hyperinflation is widely believed to have contributed to the Nazi takeover of Germany and Adolf Hitler's rise to powerAdolf Hitler himself in his book, Mein Kampf, makes many references to the German debt and the negative consequences that brought about the inevitability of National Socialism. The inflation also raised doubts about the competence of liberal institutions, especially amongst a middle class who had held cash savings and bonds. It also produced resentment of Germany's bankers and speculators, many of them Jewish, whom the government and press blamed for the inflation.[15]The Germans called the hyperinflated Weimar banknotes Jew Confetti[16]

 

Additionally, later German monetary policy shows far greater concern for maintaining a sound currency, a concern that even affects Germany's present attitude in eurozone debates concerning bailouts of failing national economies today.[17] Incidentally, the hyperinflated, worthless Marks became widely collected abroad. The Los Angeles Times estimated in 1924 that more of the decommissioned notes were spread about the United States than existed in Germany.[18] "

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Now is a most exciting time.

In the industry I work, wood products and forestry, there has been low profitability for many years.But now is crunch time as we must raise our USD prices to stay in business.our customer in the Usa doesn't have an option if he wants to stay in business- he needs the goods. Ok, he can buy from chile but their peso is strengthening also, so they have to raise prices to stay in business.

Or he cay buy from china but the raw material will have to cost more soon if he is to pay the kiwi sawmill or log trader.

Or can produce himself but doesn't have our high quality knot free pine.

The trick is making sure we can survive a scrap.who has the strongest honest balance sheet wins.last man standing.goodwill won't pay the bills.( tenon have $ 67M) bet they wish it was cash ;)

and it's summer, come on kiwis

It's time for the many well run private companies, many quietly run by honest hardworking famalies to win.

Fuck off bankers and the corporate billing machine.

Our grandfathers ran across Tobruk with 303,s for our freedom and our grandmothers hearts. They taught us to fish and love with Maoris.

We'll be fine!

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Now is a most exciting time.

In the industry I work, wood products and forestry, there has been low profitability for many years.But now is crunch time as we must raise our USD prices to stay in business.our customer in the Usa doesn't have an option if he wants to stay in business- he needs the goods. Ok, he can buy from chile but their peso is strengthening also, so they have to raise prices to stay in business.

Or he cay buy from china but the raw material will have to cost more soon if he is to pay the kiwi sawmill or log trader.

Or can produce himself but doesn't have our high quality knot free pine.

The trick is making sure we can survive a scrap.who has the strongest honest balance sheet wins.last man standing.goodwill won't pay the bills.( tenon have $ 67M) bet they wish it was cash ;)

and it's summer, come on kiwis

It's time for the many well run private companies, many quietly run by honest hardworking famalies to win.

Fuck off bankers and the corporate billing machine.

Our grandfathers ran across Tobruk with 303,s for our freedom and our grandmothers hearts. They taught us to fish and love with Maoris.

We'll be fine!

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Bit of hemp in that forest?

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No, just spent the weekend in raglan.

Makes you look at the world differently when out of the city. Gorgeous weather! gfc isn't effecting the break at Manu bay ;)

why don't you see my upside as written above.?If commodity prices go up and our dollar eventually falls ...?well ours may fall further than chinas and chiles because of our debt.

:)

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Your weekend is my everyday..... :)

Commodity prices reflect the inability to supply demand. At this point, for the first (but entirely predictable) time, we are globally up against the absolute limits. The old 'rules' of lack of supply increasing price until a financially-viable alternative costs itself in, don't apply in absolute scarcity.

Which means that timber (I've got a forest as it happens) is better held onto, than sold. It's not a question of money, it's a question of having a resource.

Have a wee google of 'the export land model'. and Prof Albert Bartlett on the exponential function, then google ERoEI.

Enjoy.....

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There is a lot of comments on this post that seem to vary from the fact. Re NZ debt. From the Stats web site "Net international liabilities were $163.7 billion (86.5 percent of GDP) at 30 June 2010"

This is the link to the details-

http://stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/balance_of_pa…

Then open the excel spreadsheet.

Balance of Payments and International Investment Position: June 2010 quarter – Tables. 

Table 10 shows gross overseas liabilities of $307,935m but table 12 shows that $119,675m is in NZD so repayment can be in NZD's. It also show the biggest amount in foreign currency is USD77,480m, which is getting less in NZD every day!

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For all those cheering the NZD hipe I give you this  press release appeared today in Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-07/swan-says-strong-currency-cuts-tax-forecasts-as-exporter-earnings-erode.html 

Hope that this will help.

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Come on John...the Poms are leading the way boy:

 "The feckless unemployed will be forced to take part in a punishing U.S.-style ‘workfare’ scheme involving gardening, clearing litter and other menial tasks for just £1 an hour in a new crackdown on scroungers.

And if they fail to turn up on time or work hard they will be stripped of their dole for three months.

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith will tomorrow unveil ‘compulsory community placements’ in an attempt to stop people living on benefits for years without bothering to look for work." mail online

 

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 "ONLY DAYS after being elected, some Auckland "super city" councillors are already calling for more pay.

Several councillors have told the Star-Times their salaries have been set too low by people who "do not understand our job", and called for a "good quality review".

Local Government Minister Rodney Hide rubbished the request, saying that if councillors didn't like the pay they shouldn't have stood, since salaries were announced three months before the election." sunday star

Ten marks for Rodney....now off you go and deal with the gargantuan bloated civil service and SOE salaries Rodney...you know bloody well which ones...!

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