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Blueprint for Auckland's future looks to create capacity for more houses to be built than projections deem necessary, as expert panel calls for densification and sprawl

27th Jul 16, 1:41pm by Jenée Tibshraeny

Capacity will be created for 422,000 new dwellings to be built in Auckland by 2041, if the Auckland Council votes to accept a raft of recommendations it's just been presented by a government-appointed panel of experts.

An Independent Hearings Panel has revealed how it believes the Auckland Unitary Plan should look, having received more than 10,000 pieces of evidence and listened to 249 days of hearings.

It maintains the region should be re-zoned in such a way that 422,000 new dwellings could be built by 2041 - 22,000 more than projections deem necessary and 209,000 more than the Proposed Unitary Plan notified by the Auckland Council made possible.

It also suggests Auckland's Rural Urban Boundary be expanded by 30%. The plan got a cautious initial thumbs-up from the Government, which said "it appears to meet many of the housing objectives for Auckland".

The Panel says its plan: “Enables a development pattern that is capable of meeting residential demand over the long-term and that is errs towards over-enabling capacity."

It proposes creating capacity for 270,000 new dwellings to be built in urban areas, 23,000 in live-zoned land in new urban areas, 14,000 in rural zones and 115,000 in Future Urban zones (unlikely to be available in the next seven years).

You can see the maps of how the Panel proposes Auckland be rezoned to enable these extra dwellings to be built here.

In summary, the Panel calls for the following zoning changes across the region:

Single house zone: One house per section
Area reduced by 22%

Mixed housing suburban zone: Four houses up to two storeys per section without resource consent
Area expanded by 5%

Mixed housing urban zone: Four houses up to three storeys per section without resource consent
Area expanded by 48%

Terrace housing and apartment building zone: Apartments of up to five storeys, and in some cases, six or seven storeys
Area expanded by 25%

Furthermore, the Panel suggests the Plan:

- Retains the Rural Urban Boundary, but expands it to include 30% more land and enables it to be changed by private plan changes.

- Focuses urban growth on centres, transport nodes and corridors to achieve a "quality compact urban form".

- Removes density controls in residential zones.

- Deletes the pre-1944 building demolition overlay - ie removes some protections for homes built before 1944.

- Enables the growth and development of new or existing rural towns and villages.

- Enables a development pattern to meet demand for the next 30 years and doubles the feasible enabled residential capacity to exceed 400,000 dwellings.

- Deletes provisions for framework plans and enables comprehensive consenting processes for subdivision, including earthworks and provision for infrastructure.

- Protects historic heritage places and retains special character areas.

- Provides for affordable housing choices with a mix of dwelling types.

The Panel has gone with the Council's proposed strategy of accommodating 60-70% of the growth in housing supply within the existing urban areas through intensification of suburbs, with the remaining 30-40% being generated in new 'greenfields' areas.

The Auckland Council now has until August 19 to consider the Panel’s recommendations and decide whether to accept or reject them, bringing the five-year process of developing a Unitary Plan to an end.

The Council will discuss the recommendations at a series of public meetings between August 10 and August 18, with the aim of wrapping the process up before the local body elections on October 8.

It will be tough for the Council to make changes to the Panel's recommendations. If it rejects a recommendation it must explain why and provide an alternative solution that is within the scope of submissions made on the 2013 Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan.

The Council may be eligible for a 20 working day extension if it gets permission from the Minister for the Environment.

Those who want to appeal the recommendations in court are limited in their ability to do so.

You can lodge an Environment Court appeal if you made a submission on the Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan, and the Council rejects a Panel recommendation related to the topic you submitted on.

Those who made submissions can also lodge appeals to the High Court on points of law.

If the Council accepts a Panel recommendation that is identified by the Panel as beyond the scope of a submission, anyone, whether they made a submission on the Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan or not, can lodge an appeal with the Environment Court if they believe they will be "unduly prejudiced by the decision".

The law makes provisions in relation to appeals for decisions on designations and heritage orders.

Here is the statement Environment and Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith issued. For more on Smith and Labour Leader Andrew Little, see this story.

Independent panel’s report welcomed

The Government has today welcomed the release of the Independent Hearings Panel’s recommendations on the Unitary Plan, saying the new plan is crucial to Auckland’s future, Environment Minister Dr Nick Smith says.

“Auckland’s current planning rules date back to the 1990s, seven different councils and 400,000 fewer people. The Independent Hearings Panel has done a good job of addressing the complex issues and balancing the competing interests.

“The new plan is by its nature a complex document as it affects the development rules on more than 550,000 property titles, as well as the issues of water management, air quality and the marine environment. I am encouraged by the high-level briefing on the plan’s content received from officials today. The new plan appears to meet many of the housing objectives for Auckland. It will take time for both ministers and government agencies to comprehend the full detail.

“We acknowledge the reported back Unitary Plan poses a major challenge for the council. Auckland previously could not resolve the tension between the old regional council wanting a tight metropolitan urban limit and the district and city councils wanting more growth outwards. This confusion resulted in too little provision for growth and the current housing challenges. The strength of a single Auckland Council is that this issue will be resolved.

“The Government has confidence that Mayor Len Brown and the council understand how important the new plan is to Auckland’s future. We will be giving the council clear air to make a considered decision. We also have officials working to ensure a smooth transition from the SHAs to the new Unitary Plan, to maintain the momentum we have achieved in new home construction.”

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123 Comments

by jamesy | 27th Jul 16, 1:50pm 1469584202

Excellent. Ram it through, please. [ Fragment edited. If we are going to have a sensible, adult conversation about the Unitary Plan, the sophomoric type of content that has been deleted is not needed. Ed ]

by Justice | 27th Jul 16, 5:41pm 1469598098

Regardless of personal opinions being made about "sophomoric" can we refrain from suppression of peoples right to expression?

Adults CAN handle such things!

I and others have noticed of late a wee bit too much censorship going on.

Otherwise just remove the comment section altogether along with that tea towel of a flag!

by Kakapo | 27th Jul 16, 5:46pm 1469598374

Damn straight.

The censorship on comments undermines the integrity of the site.

by David Chaston | 27th Jul 16, 7:28pm 1469604514

There are heaps of other places where you can shout, make up 'facts', indulge in personal abuse, and generally be uncivil when talking about public policy positions and the people who have to make those decisions.

We want to be the place where issues are debated. I don't want conversations here to get grubby and personal.

We don't want to be a place where people who haven't grown up, slinging anything that they have at hand trying to bully their way into the conversation. If you want to do that, take your 'free speech' elsewhere.

Hope that is straight enough for you.

by Independent_Observer | 27th Jul 16, 7:52pm 1469605974

After further thought - comment removed...

by Justice | 27th Jul 16, 9:28pm 1469611721

Should we take things like our sarcasm, humour, and cynicism elsewhere also? Just all become boring commentators with not an ounce of human emotion on show? What is a debate, discussion worth without passion?

I'm all for removing gross profanity and slander etc. As for things like "making up facts"? Ummm, pretty sure just about every MP would be guilty of that one, yet I along with others are continually force fed their rubbish on a daily basis regardless. If only we could be so quick to censor that!
None of us are above criticism. If we are then we do have a problem alright.

by Kiki San | 27th Jul 16, 9:37pm 1469612226

Good on you David keep the standards up.

by SpaceX | 27th Jul 16, 7:08pm 1469603285

And 99% of these houses will be snapped up by Chinese. What's the point?

#JKexit #CHINEXT

by Fritz | 27th Jul 16, 2:08pm 1469585338

Unfortunately they have kept the daft 6m outlook space rule... That's an automatic development killer

by bob | 27th Jul 16, 3:10pm 1469589012

No it's fine and needed.

by hobo | 27th Jul 16, 4:14pm 1469592845

I agree, there needs to be some balance between aesthetics and intensification.

Ultimately, the plan is going to make a huge difference in increasing housing supply.

Some who knew this was coming purchased properties next to each other i.e. even with these restrictions, there will be improved intensification while minimizing slums from being developed....

by Boatman | 27th Jul 16, 2:10pm 1469585400

Well at least we have a plan , even though some think its flawed , its at least a plan which will lead to action and implementation

by Fritz | 27th Jul 16, 2:18pm 1469585916

A plan is only as good as its rules....good luck trying to get feasible developments to comply with a 6m outlook space requirement

by rastus1 | 27th Jul 16, 2:26pm 1469586370

..what is a 6m outlook space Fritz...for the layman. Practical affects?

by lesnakey | 27th Jul 16, 2:32pm 1469586724

seconded. What does this mean?

by Kaper2 | 27th Jul 16, 2:40pm 1469587249

I think it means you can subdivide your property only if yours and the 'new' section have 6m (circle) outdoor space i.e. garden/courtyard/grass area in addition to the new dwelling, must be separate to driveways and your own 6m circle. So every property must have a big bit of wasted space on it to comply.

by mspace | 27th Jul 16, 3:25pm 1469589952

There are some good diagrams in the plan eg this one.

Note that an 'outlook space' may be within the site, over a public street, or other public open space, so technically it doesn't have to be on your section though practically most of it would probably end up being so.

by Fritz | 27th Jul 16, 2:46pm 1469587570

If you have a 15m wide site and you want to build 4 townhouses down the site, it requires there to be a 6m distance from the window of the living room to the side boundary.
So effectively, the townhouses would have to be set back 6m from the boundary, and you will need a 3m access strip on the other side of the townhouses along the other boundary. that leaves you with 6m in between which isn't deep enough for a townhouse.
there will be design solutions potentially to get around it but it's not easy. And it could lead to odd building forms
It will mean you will often need site amalgamation to occur, which is a big barrier (ie. need to buy up multiple properties)
It's a problem....

by sharetrader | 27th Jul 16, 2:48pm 1469587699

guess that comes down to cost "need to buy up multiple properties" which means that prices might not fall

by bob | 27th Jul 16, 3:12pm 1469589172

It's a good rule - those narrow sites with drives up side and cramped townhouses are not a good outcome and major reason people are scared of density. If you can't fit 6mx4m outlooks from living rooms you need a better site or better designer.

by lesnakey | 27th Jul 16, 3:54pm 1469591649

But does 6m apply across all zones? Surely not. Which zones does it apply to?

by mspace | 27th Jul 16, 4:14pm 1469592878

It would appear to be all (residential) zones (caveat : based on my first brief read through). Even the City Centre zone appears to have a minimum 6m outlook at ground level (increasing with height).

by sharetrader | 27th Jul 16, 2:33pm 1469586831

they just made where i live and the surrounding neighbourhood all high density, ie for apartments so i guess if i sit tight for another ten years should make my land and my neighbours whom all dont have second houses on the back of our sections much richer.
in saying that might have to get together with our block and all sell at once like they do in aussie to get a great price
http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/castle-hill-megalot-property-sa…

by keywest | 27th Jul 16, 11:51pm 1469620289

There will be winners and losers in this and genuinely hope you are OK with that for your property, and if so is a great attitude to have...

by sharetrader | 28th Jul 16, 8:24am 1469651042

I think they have it wrong, there is no public transport close by, its miles away from trains, not an area you would buy into for views, the only positive is close to one of the biggest employment areas in auckland and over time I am guessing will become low wage cheap apartments and will turn into a getto.
In my mind they should have made it ten miles down the road where their are harbour views and a walk across the bridge to a train station and town centre
for me though it is all positive as I am looking to move south in the next ten years so will up my purchasing amount

by lesnakey | 27th Jul 16, 2:34pm 1469586842

Well, that's a relief.

Now, here's hoping that the Council adopts it - and speeds up the consent process.

by Penguin | 27th Jul 16, 2:52pm 1469587933

The value of some people's property has just skyrocketed.

by lesnakey | 27th Jul 16, 3:51pm 1469591500

Maybe. But it is more likely that increased density is already priced into the property. The AUP has been online for years now - and the council shooting it down was never really on the cards.

Of course both you and are assuming that property prices are set by rational agents. That seems unlikely.

by Penguin | 27th Jul 16, 5:27pm 1469597237

True. My house can now be replaced with 2 but I doubt that will happen in the next 20 years.

by Uninterested | 27th Jul 16, 7:33pm 1469604782

The next QV after the plan is implemented WILL value your place as if it has already been subdivided. So your rates will go up.

by dtcarter | 28th Jul 16, 11:18am 1469661481

The qv just reflects market value. Council doesnt decide how much your property is worth. Buyers and sellers in your neighbourhood decide that.

by Munes | 28th Jul 16, 11:13am 1469661233

Yes, I would also have thought house prices in Auckland (especially those close to the city and in those re-zoned areas) will increase when this plan is accepted, it is highly unlikely to lower house prices in the short term.

by ham n eggs | 27th Jul 16, 2:58pm 1469588332

the best laid plans of mice and men .... a "panel of government appointed experts". Hmmm
there will be no processing of Oil so there will be no energy supply so there will be no economy in 2031 let alone 2041. This plan could help start a BBQ though.

by bob | 27th Jul 16, 3:09pm 1469588971

Wow - the word 'density' has been deleted from plan thank goodness - just rules on bulk and protecting sun/light. If Council accept this house price problem should start to dissipate in a few years time.

by unaha-closp | 27th Jul 16, 3:49pm 1469591348

It also suggests Auckland's Rural Urban Boundary be expanded by 30%.

Question: does the term "Auckland's Rural Urban Boundary" refer to:
A - the Rural Urban Boundary around Auckland the City (contiguous urban area).
B - the sum total of all the various Rural Urban Boundaries of Auckland the Region (discrete urban zones).

If A: we are still going to be about 40% shy of a normal growth requirement of a normal city, but this is good first step and will make things slightly better.

If B: we are repeating the same idiotic planning that got us into this mess and embarking with the largest sprawl fuelled rates increases ever seen.

Update: And the answer is "B" - most of the extensions to "Auckland's Rural Urban Boundary" occur miles into the countryside far away from Auckland. We get a little bit north from Long Bay, small bit north of Albany, a tiny amount more west of Henderson Valley, a reasonable chunk around Alfriston, some by the airport and that is it.

The majority of the expansion to "Auckland" occurs in Warkworth, Orewa/Dairy Flat, Kumeu and Pukekohe - same plan, but now with even more sprawl.

by avatar99 | 27th Jul 16, 4:10pm 1469592657

I agree - very disappointing (but not surprising). Only hope is that the government will make them lift the RUB (aka land monopoly containment zone).

by unaha-closp | 27th Jul 16, 4:26pm 1469593619

Which they will never do and likewise the council will not be changing its approach. The review we just had was a joint government/council effort.

So here is the plan:
Step 1 - vote against Labour/Greens in the local body elections, because Len Brown/Penny Hulse drew up the RUB.
Step 2 - vote for Labour/Greens in the parliamentary elections, because Labour/Greens oppose to the RUB.

by avatar99 | 27th Jul 16, 9:06pm 1469610376

Definitely onboard with that plan. Tariana Turia is even honest enough to say that house prices need to come down (long term) - finally some honesty.

by PocketAces | 27th Jul 16, 9:08pm 1469610511

Metiria Turei

by avatar99 | 29th Jul 16, 9:56am 1469742994

Oops, thanks for the correction, won't get the Green's co-leader's name wrong again.

by Munes | 28th Jul 16, 11:50am 1469663434

I wonder if they will upgrade that crazy Hill Street/SH1 junction in Warkworth before they build all the houses? Also, don't fancy having to drive down the northern motorway in rush hour along with all those new Orewa and Warkworth residents for a job in Auckland!

by The best statu… | 27th Jul 16, 3:49pm 1469591374

Residential - Single House Zone is my designation. Pretty happy with that. I know some people will not be happy, but this was always going to be the case.

by avatar99 | 27th Jul 16, 3:50pm 1469591453

Grrr - look at the zoning along Riddell road on the north side of Glendowie. In the original (non-dense) submission this was single-house (going to multi house as one got close to St Heliers). In the new it is mixed housing suburban EXCEPT for the few houses belonging to NZ's richest man (Graham Hart) and a handful of his neighbours. What possible justification is there for this? Either the whole neighbourhood should be mixed suburban or those currently single house zone should remain as such (given this is a peninsula not well connected to public transport). This smells very fishy to me!!

by IT GUY | 27th Jul 16, 4:33pm 1469594037

Yeah I was wondering why the Riddell Rd strip was excluded as well, many are already 3 stories high????

by avatar99 | 27th Jul 16, 9:03pm 1469610228

I can't see any reason beside behind the door lobbying. If it was about views they'd do the whole strip, which they didn't.

by Chris-M | 27th Jul 16, 5:21pm 1469596863

And will any of this add any extra sections in the immediate future to alleviate the present crisis. How many of these extra dwellings will only eventuate after long drawn out processes and slow evolution of the nature of the suburbs affected. Much of this relies on people deciding to sell their present homes which will not happen at the stroke of a pen. People will not do this with out a strong financial incentive, so already crazy prices will have to be increased further to encourage them out of their homes. The Ponzie scheme continues. I cannot see this delivering anything that will be remotely affordable to FHB for several decades.
Like the governments previous "cures" this will be very slow to implement, under deliver, favour it's wealthy mates and at best very underwhelming. The only solutions that I can see that will have any meaningful and timely impact will be found on the demand side of the equation. Namely curbing immigration, foreign investment, property investors speculation and frenzy, and tax policy.

by bob | 27th Jul 16, 5:27pm 1469597250

In Mixed Housing Suburban and Urban zones up to 4 houses is PERMITTED - if you comply with the rules (which allow more than current Res6 etc) you don't need to apply for Resource Consent. The moment it's Operative - assuming Council say yes - you can lodge for building consent.

by meh | 27th Jul 16, 5:49pm 1469598573

will it add affordable sections to allow affordable housing as that is what is in short supply?

is there anything to prevent existing "cheap" rural land from becoming overly expensive?

by THE MAN 2 | 27th Jul 16, 4:27pm 1469593647

Good to see some sort of plan.
Seriously though, do you Aucklanders really think it will improve your standard of living, with so many more people flocking in, it will be that congested.
Traffic will be appalling, quicker to walk.
Christchurch will become more and more popular with people looking for a quality lifestyle and still affordable and with plenty of opportunity!

by IT GUY | 27th Jul 16, 4:37pm 1469594235

I think unless you have a very big site the current rules will limit development to about 1 home per 400 sq m in the mixed house suburban areas.... simply outlook and height to boundary will do this, means that many suburbs will end up looking similar to current St Heliers density....

Agree re congestion, try driving around suburban Sydney in the weekend

by buzby | 27th Jul 16, 4:42pm 1469594546

That's why they need a transport policy to reduce cars. Many families have 2-3 cars. And just look at commuters. Most have no passengers. Auckland is unusual and very behind the times in that respect.

by Yvil | 27th Jul 16, 4:46pm 1469594784

I'm an Architect who graduated in Urbanism in Switzerland. I worked in Europe, the USA and NZ. I also live in central city Auckland. We MUST densify, we must accept this plan. I implore the Auckland Council to accept it and not be petty. The plan may not be perfect but it so much better than the status quo. Forget about the NIMBY's, look at the greater good, there will always be unhappy people, ignore them

by two otherguys | 27th Jul 16, 5:08pm 1469596128

Define the qualities of Auckland that brought you to Auckland that you now deem sacrificial

by two otherguys | 27th Jul 16, 5:12pm 1469596336

It is not compulsory to stay in Auckland

by moa man | 27th Jul 16, 5:19pm 1469596748

This is not Switzerland, or Europe, or USA.
Or China or Australia or Zimbabwe.

This is New Zealand.
And if Nimby's in NZ say they have had enough.
Then accept it as the voice of the people who live here.

by Yvil | 27th Jul 16, 5:26pm 1469597193

NIMBY's are not the voice of NZ, they are a small minority who prevent betterment for the majority

by moa man | 27th Jul 16, 5:48pm 1469598491

Better off with them, than without them.

by David Chaston | 27th Jul 16, 5:27pm 1469597244

Good grief. Nimbys aren't "New Zealand". They are just a vocal subgroup in a localised area. Changes in someone else's backyard are usually ok for these folks.

A "good plan" or good public policy might require change. Someone won't like change if it applies to them. But that shoudln't affect the adoption of a "good plan" or other "good public policy".

All of life requires adjustment at some times. You can't freeze everything just based on a few complainers.

by two otherguys | 27th Jul 16, 5:40pm 1469598001

C'mon David - you are better than that

Any theory should meet all tests

In just the past week there has been several cases of community complaints in lower-socio-economic areas of Manukau where the residents collectively objected to the area being used as a dumping ground for sex-offenders next to schools

Don't tell me that's not nimbyism

by Smalltown | 27th Jul 16, 9:47pm 1469612834

Cmon David there are plenty of other sites you can resort to put downs, abuse and ridicule.
NIMBY's have feelings too you know.

by Sluggy | 28th Jul 16, 8:20am 1469650844

Lets compare apples and pork eh ?

by murray86 | 28th Jul 16, 7:01am 1469646113

David last night Little made a comment on One News about not wanting house prices to fall to protect those who "bought a house in good faith". Are not NIMBY's the same? They bought their properties in the faith that the value of the property will be protected in some way. If the Unitary Plan undermines that value how is that different?

by sharetrader | 28th Jul 16, 8:12am 1469650346

interesting comment, so if in government and some advent happens to drop house prices, will they step up to help out the banks and people or let the market sort itself out.
we are in this mess because of 20+ years of bad policies which look no closer to being changed, and if in government from his statement I see a reluctance to change them, but like this government just tinker

by murray86 | 28th Jul 16, 1:28pm 1469669317

I don't give two figs about the banks, that's private business that has actually helped make the situation worse. I do feel for first home buyers. I don't believe the commentators who claim that a significant drop in the price of houses will have a negative impact on the economy (other than paper values). I do believe any action that makes houses significantly more affordable for Kiwis (that's us who live here) will have a significantly positive effect on the economy.

by Munes | 28th Jul 16, 12:02pm 1469664168

Is it really that plausible to have affordable housing (without them being slums/cheap apartment blocks), without bringing house prices down a reasonable amount? As this appears to be what Andrew Little and Labour along with other political parties wants to achieve.

by jh | 28th Jul 16, 4:59pm 1469681975

According to Longitudinal Immigration Survey: New Zealand (LisNZ) – Wave 1 the top reasons given for migrating to NZ are:
Relaxed pace of life or lifestyle
Climate or the clean, green environment
A better future for my children
Employment opportunity
Friendly people
Safety from crime
Join family members
Easy access to outdoor or sporting activities
Educational opportunities
Marry or live with a NZ spouse or partner
Political stability
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To study
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Other

Aspects Migrants liked most about NZ
Climate or natural beauty or clean and green
Friendly people or relaxed pace of life
Can achieve desired lifestyle
Safety from crime and violence
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Small population
Education system or educational opportunities
Having family here
Political stability and freedom or lack of corruption
Cultural diversity
Job opportunities
Good provision of services
Good housing
Lack of inter-racial, ethnic or religious tensions
Economic conditions
Other
None
…
http://www.stats.govt.nz/~/media/Statistics/Browse%20for%20stats/LISNZ/…

by two otherguys | 27th Jul 16, 4:55pm 1469595304

The writing was on the wall a long time ago

Now you know

Paradise is lost

You have brought this upon yourselves

Now suffer

by rmnz | 27th Jul 16, 5:19pm 1469596797

So that'll be you advocating to continue to stick two fingers up at those suffering now will it?

by Kiki San | 27th Jul 16, 9:45pm 1469612710

Oh PUULEASE!

by Kiki San | 28th Jul 16, 7:02am 1469646161

Oh PUULEASE!

by Adam B NZ | 27th Jul 16, 5:11pm 1469596284

How the hell are the roads going to handle all of this extra Traffic?

by two otherguys | 27th Jul 16, 5:13pm 1469596392

Didn't the "PLAN" deal with that trifling issue

by Yvil | 27th Jul 16, 5:29pm 1469597380

By densifying instead of spreading out ! Also the traffic is already here, it's not a result of the Plan, the Plan simply tries to manage it better

by Northland Hippy | 27th Jul 16, 8:31pm 1469608296

I'm pretty sure twice as many houses means twice as many people which means twice as many cars.
if you want to live in this environment try moving to England or Europe or India or china. It challenges my brain that you immigrate here and then want to make it like where you came from.

by Yvil | 28th Jul 16, 1:07pm 1469668029

I'm not surprised it challenges your brain

by Northland Hippy | 28th Jul 16, 8:42pm 1469695358

Okay Yvil. Instead of not being surprised that my brain is challenged please explain. Why did you come to live on the other side of the planet away from family and friends and your mother tongue.
Think back to what attracted you to NZ and ask yourself if your not selling it out.
Perhaps some personal greed has changed your original considerations of what is a quality life.
My guess is you'll cash in your capital gains and get out of Dodge.

by Yvil | 29th Jul 16, 2:03pm 1469757797

Northland Hippy, thanks for asking.
I've come to live in NZ 24 years ago because I fell in love with a kiwi (of Korean descent) girl. I have stayed here this long and I will keep staying here because I think NZ is a beautiful, peaceful country with decent opportunities to make a good life for oneself. I think the lifestyle is fantastic (not the highest earning country but a great balance between earning and leisure). The most important aspect though, is the Kiwi mentality which, in my view, strikes a wonderful balance between work and play.
I lived in Christchurch until the Earthquake when I lost my house then moved to Auckland 4 years ago. I would never return to Chch (sorry old Chch friends) as I find Auckland so much better to live in. It's much warmer, more open minded, more international (cuisine, events sporting or music) it has beautiful beaches that are warm work opportunities are better. So for me there's no surprise Auckland is growing so fast and will continue to do so. Of course that poses some challenges, traffic and property prices and the Unitary Plan is an attempt to ease these challenges.

by avatar99 | 27th Jul 16, 9:17pm 1469611023

The plan does very little to manage it better. We need density near train stations and along main bus lines (e.g. along T2 corridors). It has some of that but also a lot of infill where frequent public transport won't and can't run. Also the computation on new houses is highly dubious as most home owners don't want to (or can't without removing house) subdivide but I think they are assuming we all will.

by i am not a nimby | 27th Jul 16, 5:57pm 1469599059

Go Auckland Council. Put politics aside, in this instance anyway, and do not bring in the question of whether or not this vote of yours will have a positive or negative impact on your re election chances. Seize the opportunity to solve Aucklands Housing Woos.

by Northland Hippy | 28th Jul 16, 7:38am 1469648308

Well actually, not a nimby, councilors are meant to represent their voters, and we call it democracy.
Imagine if the people of Auckland don't actually want to artificially enlarge their population and trash their lifestyle.

by THE MAN 2 | 27th Jul 16, 6:10pm 1469599854

Going to be really great living in Auckland.
All those lovely shoebox apartments are going to be marvellous bringing up kids, just like the ghettos overseas.
Surely there is more to life than having to live like that?
Seriously, why would you really want to stay living in Auckland.
Bet my last dollar that most people are going to want to bail out for a better lifestyle south, but then if you have only lived in Auckland it is all you would know!
How long is it going to travel from the outskirts into town in the future.p?

by SpaceX | 27th Jul 16, 7:09pm 1469603368

More like CHYNA by the day.

by jh | 28th Jul 16, 5:11pm 1469682694

I had a family from japan stay at my house. When they got back the kid (toddler) cried upon entering the apartment (as had been running around on the lawn). Also I asked a young Japanese guy what he would do if he had money and he said "this" referring to my modest house and garden.

by PocketAces | 28th Jul 16, 5:41pm 1469684472

Your comment just about embodies the deep sadness I feel about the changes happening to this country, and I cannot for the life of me, see why we have to endure it.

by Northland Hippy | 28th Jul 16, 8:17pm 1469693821

The yes, bring it on group, perceive that they will make lots of money.
The immigrants group want to bring family and friends as its still better than where they came from.
The average Kiwi group are busy working and raising families and trust the media and trust that their politicians are making good decisions.
The stop it now group are considered to be party poopers and are shouted down and vilified, just ask Winston.

by Zachary Smith | 27th Jul 16, 6:18pm 1469600315

If you own a cross-lease property in a street that is now zoned for terraced housing and apartments is that a good thing or a bad thing from a "property investors" point of view?

by THE MAN 2 | 27th Jul 16, 7:10pm 1469603436

Zachary, in dollar terms I suppose it is good for the owner of the section.
Don't believe though that most young third generation kiwis will long term want to be couped up in an apartment. Think of those great balcony barbecues?
Personally never lived in Auckland but have been there many times.
Yes there are plenty of things to do if you can get to them on time, but wouldn't live there even if I was paid to, and will get worse.
You can believe what you like about Chch being shakey etc. but I am telling you that the opportunities both financially and for your own wellbeing leaves Auckland for dead.
All this building is going to take along time and with the new lending rules in this past week or so it is going to be very interesting times for Auckland.

by Zachary Smith | 28th Jul 16, 10:26am 1469658383

I was really thinking about the implications of those with cross-lease properties rather than freehold sections. A cross-lease is rather limited unless you own both. We don't see much development of cross-lease properties because of the perceived difficulty of getting consents. It's hard to even make a minor change. Will developers seek to buy both cross-lease properties in order to build denser housing? Maybe someone will buy a cross-lease and then offer the other owner a super price so the section can be returned to freehold. Quite a gamble though. Or will owners of cross-lease properties snap up the other cross-lease if it comes up for sale thus increasing the price of these properties?

I have often thought we should get rid of most cross-leases. The council could get a huge windfall by rubber stamping transition to freehold for a fee of something like 50k. Not sure what the ramifications would be.

by dtcarter | 28th Jul 16, 12:59pm 1469667577

Yes ive had many great balcony bbqs. Looking forward to many more now that my friends wont be forced to leave AKL to buy a home.

by AMAM | 27th Jul 16, 7:37pm 1469605050

The Euphoria will soon be over of Unitary plan as it may or may not help in long run but what is required now is action on part of the government to curb speculation.

Breather for government as unitary will be in news/ media for sometime but than reality will hit as buble will grow bigger and than will have to act like Australia and Canada.

Big money means BIG money is waiting to fly out from China and NZ is too small an island for that money by which they can buy NZ not once but number of time and are doing. Anyone reading this comment or experts just turn and see near around you to see if it is happening or not.

Government will have to act to curb overseas buyer and the only question is When and not If same as bubble will burst and question is When and not If.

by SpaceX | 27th Jul 16, 7:50pm 1469605822

Don't expect Don Key to do anything. He is bought already.

Convince everyone you know to vote for Winston.

by 12000 | 27th Jul 16, 8:09pm 1469606992

No expectation from Hon PM as is busy trying to please and get browny points from his Asian masters. How long will they deny and lie.

Things come apart so easily when they have been held together with lies.

by SpaceX | 27th Jul 16, 8:46pm 1469609209

Every other country affected by CHYNA money has now implemented some sort of measure against it. We are the only ones left, it's only a matter of time before something is implemented.

Just make sure to encourage everyone you know to vote against DonKey.

by Roy1 | 27th Jul 16, 7:56pm 1469606164

How correct amam. Supply is good but to come out of the current housing crisis government will have to act on non resident buyer, wheter they like it or not. Supply in itself can never be a solution without puting measure to control demand.

Infact now is the chance for government to come out with some measures on overseas buyer as will be very effevtive comprehensive measure along with rbnz tool which has been introduced and debt to income ratio tool that may also be introduced.

Will the govrnment act and surprise..can be a game changer for national

by sharetrader | 27th Jul 16, 8:21pm 1469607719

to meet current demand they need to build 50 houses per DAY, never going to happen, so unless you addressing demand as well you are p--ing into the wind.

by Munes | 28th Jul 16, 12:11pm 1469664667

Yes, where are all these new tradespeople going to suddenly appear from overnight?

by THE MAN 2 | 27th Jul 16, 8:48pm 1469609304

does anyone know what the price of the cheapest apartments or terraced houses are likely to be in the inner suburbs?
You would think that if there was going to be all this demand and requirement to build massive numbers of homes then Fletchers etc. could name their price for the product and wouldn't be cheap!
If the RBNZ also brought in the loan to income at say 5x then this might limit Most first homers to a shoebox apartment rather than a standalone home.

by SpaceX | 27th Jul 16, 9:46pm 1469612818

Just import more Chinese products. heard their steel is good shit

by Too clever by half | 27th Jul 16, 9:00pm 1469610019

Cheap apartments ,Chinese steel ,seismic strength not for me thanks

by SpaceX | 27th Jul 16, 9:42pm 1469612564

What is wrong with Chinese steel?

by Too clever by half | 27th Jul 16, 9:04pm 1469610264

Option for first home buyer purchase 4 portable cabins and 2 porta loos and bbq and spa pool link them together then You have 4bdrm 2 bathroom with spa pool on deck and bbq and cooking with gas.

by bob | 27th Jul 16, 9:16pm 1469611005

If this goes through I'll be changing my retirement plan. Develop my property that can now take smaller, cheaper houses, sell them to first home buyers and the existing tenant, pay the tax and buy shares.

by bob | 27th Jul 16, 9:56pm 1469613402

"A couple who moved from London to raise their young family in New Zealand are "devastated" by the latest plan." NZ herald

I thought they were devastated because they didn't get up zoned - but turns out they are upset because they did. Most people who just got a huge financial gain so they could move to a nicer part of town with a smaller mortgage would be celebrating. Not the attitude that built the empire.

by two otherguys | 27th Jul 16, 10:35pm 1469615752

Go read the article - How to create instant NIMBY's

The couple spent a long time choosing their property to raise their young children, now find the properties either side have been bought up by developers for terraced housing

Instant NIMBY's - read the feedback in the comments below the NZHerald article

by 12000 | 28th Jul 16, 8:23am 1469651005

JK says anyone trying to control house price is barking mad.

His intention is clear from his action and word that come what may house price should keep on going up.

So all this unitary plan and all is a farce for first is too far fetched and will take years and is all only to divert atention from taking actual measures and secondly providing more opportunity to speculators to play.

He has understood the pulse of the speculators and elite few whom he is supporting at the cost of the nation but has failed to feel the anguish developing and will prove to be harmful for the country but does he care.

by Spectators | 28th Jul 16, 9:05am 1469653503

Don't live in Auckland

by Carlos67 | 28th Jul 16, 10:10am 1469657441

Sorry but Auckland is the real "Capital" of New Zealand and without the current population living here and sensible building and infrastructure to support it like a fast rail link to the city this country is going to go down the toilet. As it stands we currently just cannot add more houses. If you drive each day in Auckland you will notice its already gridlock, hell I cannot even get to south Auckland in the WEEKEND without a traffic snarl up in one direction or sometimes both. Auckland needs very careful planning and its not just about throwing up yet MORE leaky homes. Personally I don't see much change. If they build they will still be too expensive for FHB so then they have to sell them so investors buy them and rent them back to FHB. There are so many things that need to change to correct the current situation and its not going to happen.

by SmoKey | 28th Jul 16, 9:41am 1469655666

Does this mean that all homeowners who have some extra land, especially in mixed housing suburban classification, can start building additional dwellings without much hassle ?
What about cross lease properties ? Will the other property owners in the same land area have any say/objection to increase in density ?

by nzakl | 28th Jul 16, 9:44am 1469655874

Have a house am lucky but is this the set up that one wants. Create a panic situation and then push your agenda of unitary by pressurizing Council (Says the report is prepared by independent but is under government so can understand how independent, it will be) and changing the social fabric.

Change but think and change nothing is good when done in panic mode, government is asking all to act but what about infrastructure, now where it takes 45 Minutes to reach office will take an hour and half so have to plan sensible and COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE BULLIED BY GOVERNMENT FOR THE SITUATION IS CREATED BY GOVERNMENT.

Why Leave Auckland, that is not the solution, Auckland is mine and we Aucklander's instead of leaving Auckland should make people who are and have destroyed leave.

If someone is ill we do not kill them but treat them, so anyone suggesting leaving Auckland for the greed of politicians in barking mad - in the words of our PM.

Running away is not the solution. Politicians forgets that time has changed - Result is uprising in Egypt, Brexit, Europe, USA..........If they feel NZ is in another part of the universe, is wrong.

by reena | 28th Jul 16, 9:51am 1469656277

Council should weigh the pros and cons of the Unitary Plan and should not allow government to bully them for if anything goes wrong, national will be quick to blame the council as that is what they are good at.

Even if they accept should do it with all the conditions like infrastructure, etc and put it back in the governments court that is accept with condition that benefits Auckland and not government as National Party is just trying to divert attention and hide behind Unitary plan as elections next year.

by SmoKey | 28th Jul 16, 10:03am 1469656993

Is LB JK in disguise ?

by kiwimm | 28th Jul 16, 10:08am 1469657299

Capacity for 420,000 new homes. How many of those will actually get built? The greenfield developments can happen quickly but for most existing areas to get to the potential density would mean removing the existing dwelling(s) and replacing them. Either this won't happen on houses will be built at lower density to more easily fit on the site.

Assuming 100% greenfield development and 50% brownfield development gives Auckland only 287,000 more houses. This is 11,500 per year versus the 16,000 required per year (and we still need to make up a 30,000 shortfall).

by Northland Hippy | 28th Jul 16, 1:20pm 1469668839

just cut back on our crazy immigration policy and you won't need hardly any new houses and infrastructure.

by SmoKey | 28th Jul 16, 10:57am 1469660277

Where is the man power, equipment power, materials power and infrastructure power for all these huge numbers of houses to be built in the time frame envisaged ? What if circumstances change, black swans happen, or another GFC comes along ?
Let us try to build 15000 houses in the next year and see how it goes on target.
Then we can build on that experience, pun not intended.

by Munes | 28th Jul 16, 12:23pm 1469665388

I've been going around a few of the secondary schools recently with my kids who are moving up from Intermediate, and I wasn't surprised to see that the kids are still being influenced into sciences and arts, and not hard tech subjects. Far more options to do dance and media studies, than woodwork and engineering.

I suppose we will just import the labour we need, as we are told immigration is good for the country, will we start importing some real skills we need instead of chefs?

by ham n eggs | 28th Jul 16, 11:19am 1469661555

The world has a massive energy & resource problem. Not a planning problem.
This is just more pointless planning about the seating arrangement for the Titanic's evening dinner.

by nzakl | 28th Jul 16, 11:33am 1469662380

Ask Government all that unitary plan and all is fine(Though is a cover up so that you run away from your responsibilities) but what are you doing now to control the demand as in economy neither supply nor demand is in isolation and both have to be tackled to get the desired result - ASK any experts.

by Averageman | 28th Jul 16, 2:42pm 1469673775

It should be expected that the Council will start rating the high density land as just that with the associated massive increase in rating. This is the only way to force the nimbys out of those areas and allow development to start.

by SpaceX | 28th Jul 16, 7:02pm 1469689334

No one should be forced anywhere except for banning immigration.

by Small Kev | 28th Jul 16, 10:14pm 1469700889

Nothing will change.....

by denpal | 28th Jul 16, 10:25pm 1469701543

Just one small thing appears to have been overlooked - how are all these people going to move around the city? Surely not on the roads? Unless double-storey roads are planned........think gridlock 24/7. Oh, perhaps a small percentage will catch a retarded train, if they can get to their local station by car in the first place.

by dtcarter | 1st Aug 16, 11:08am 1470006528

The Unitary plan is not a transport plan. The transport plan is a seperate plan and takes the unitary plans land use planning as an input. These are the processes dictated to Auckland Council by central government legislation.

by Yvil | 29th Jul 16, 1:47pm 1469756829

Several comments seem to confuse cause and effect. Auckland IS a growing city, it HAS traffic problems and property prices ARE sky high. These are not "caused" by the proposed Unitary Plan, the Plan is trying to address the lack of housing folks, not the other way around.