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The New Zealand Tax Podcast – Terry Baucher rounds up a week of big election proposals to change the tax system, and dives into the fraught traps for trustees on how Australia and New Zealand differ in their rules and why they will be hard clean up

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The New Zealand Tax Podcast – Terry Baucher rounds up a week of big election proposals to change the tax system, and dives into the fraught traps for trustees on how Australia and New Zealand differ in their rules and why they will be hard clean up
Tax mess


As previously leaked, on Sunday Labour announced that if re-elected, it would introduce legislation to zero rate GST on fresh and frozen fruit and vegetables, with effect from 1st April next year. This is a key plank of what it's calling its ten-point plan to address the cost of living.

According to the fact sheet supplied at the time of the launch, based on the latest statistics from the New Zealand Household Economic Survey in 2019, the policy is estimated conservatively to save households about $18 to $20 per month. Now, one of the key criticisms of this policy is of course its complexity. But Labour is confident that in defining where the boundary will lie, it will be able to draw down on overseas experience in this area. “There are boundaries everywhere in the tax system and we are confident tax officials can make it work”.

The framework around the policy is whether the fruit or vegetable has been processed or not. And processed in this context means cooked or combined with other ingredients. This therefore rules out anything canned because of the heating process that is involved. Processed does not include being cut up and wrapped without additives, so that prepared vegetables such as fresh spinach in a bag, presumably salads, would be zero rated. Similarly, mixed vegetables frozen together would be zero rated for GST. But on the other hand, the release gives an example of potatoes mashed into chips, coated in canola oil and then frozen, would be excluded and therefore still attract GST.

There is a proposal to establish a consultative expert group immediately after the election to work through the final details of the policy. One of the criticisms of the policy is, and I've said so previously, whether the benefit of the GST reduction would be passed through to consumers. This is to be addressed by tasking the newly established Grocery Commissioner with ensuring that supermarkets and other grocery outlets are not profiting from this change. The Grocery Commissioner has powers under the new Grocery Industry Competition Act 2023 to require it to request information and reports from supermarkets on matters such as their prices and margins.

Depreciation on commercial property to be removed, again

Labour estimates the cost of this policy to be about $2 billion over a four-year forecast period to 30th June 2028. And the sting in the tail is that this is going to be paid for by commercial property landlords. Because Labour is proposing to remove what it has called in the fact sheets, “the last remaining large COVID 19 economic stimulus measure”, which was the introduction of depreciation for non-residential buildings.

According to Treasury's costing of the COVID 19 Response and Recovery funding decisions, that particular decision back in March 2020 costs an estimated $545 million annually.  it should be said that back in 2020 when depreciation was reintroduced, there was no indication that this was going to be a temporary measure. In fact, the accompanying commentary noted:

New Zealand's position of a zero-depreciation rate for almost all buildings is unusual internationally. International studies have generally found buildings do depreciate. The Tax Working Group reviewed and recommended changes to these tax settings. The Government has accepted the group's recommendation to reinstate depreciation for industrial and commercial buildings.

So the news that barely three years after it was brought back in, it’s to be removed again will be a big surprise for the commercial property sector. And you can expect very strong representations about that. Certainly, some projects in the pipeline may be delayed as companies and investors work out the impact of the withdrawal of depreciation.

There was some interesting stuff in the accompanying fact sheet about the proportion of weekly expenditure on fruit and vegetables by household income. And what might surprise people is that it's the lower deciles, deciles one to four, who actually spend the greatest proportion of their budget on fresh fruit and vegetables. It works out nearly 2.5% for some of the deciles. So that's greater in relative terms than what happens for decile ten households.

But what's also notable here is that this survey apparently shows that the amount of fruit and vegetables being purchased as a proportion of all expenditure has been declining for some time, and it declined from just under 2% in 2013 to just over 1.7% in 2019.

What's happening there would be interesting to know, but it could be that the cost pressures on fresh fruit and vegetables are actually more longstanding than just the post COVID 19/climate related events burst we are experiencing at the moment. The Grocery Commissioner will obviously be paying particular attention to that on a longer term.

Increasing Working for Families support

The announcement, or the focus on the GST policy, overshadowed the other big announcement made, which was a proposal to increase the Working for Families in-work tax credit by $25 a week from 1st of April next year. This is going to provide additional support to around 175,000 low- and middle-income working families. It's the sort of measure which is supported by many, and I would be in that group, because it's targeted and it gives to those most in need. Although I do note that Child Poverty Action Group are still disappointed that the criteria for this is still about being in work. Their long-standing position is that the in-work criteria should be removed because that would benefit all families and particularly children of those on the lowest incomes.

The other thing that Labour's also planning to do is to lift the Working for Families abatement threshold from its current level of $42,700 to $50,000.  But that's not going to happen until 1st April 2026. That would be worth another $13 a week to eligible families.

I've spoken before about what goes on with the abatement levels, and it's worth pointing out again that when Working for Families was first introduced in 2006, the abatement thresholds were adjusted annually. That was stopped by Bill English in the 2009 Budget, with the effect that if the then threshold of $36,827 had continued to be indexed to CPI, it would now be $51,702. In that context, Labour's promise to raise to $50,000 in three years seems a little ungenerous.

Whether yesterday's announcements are the sum of Labour's tax policy for the election is not yet clear. Apparently, they are. But I note that they are still promising three more cost of living policy announcements to be made during the election. So, we'll have to wait and see.

More GST – the importance of GST groups

Moving on, Inland Revenue is presently engaged in updating its various Interpretation Statements and other guidance, such as Questions We've Been Asked and in various statements of practice, to update various legislative updates that have happened over time. Some of this advice refers to the Income Tax Act 1994, whereas now we're on the Income Tax Act 2007. So, Inland Revenue has been releasing a steady stream of updated guidance for consultation, and most of these updates confirm the existing position.

The latest released last week and also continuing this week’s GST theme, are two draft interpretation statements for consultation on the treatment of GST groups. One looks at when GST groups may be formed in general, and the second looks specifically at the rules around GST groups for companies

There has been a little bit of uncertainty around how the GST group rules interacted with other parts of the GST Act, and that was taken care of by an amendment included in the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2021-22, GST and other Remedial Matters) Act in 2022, which clarified the interaction of the GST group rules with the Income Tax Act. The position now is that the GST grouping rules are applied before the other provisions in the GST Act.

The idea behind the GST grouping rules is to eliminate the need to be charging and recovering GST on intra group sales. Think of a large group that's supplying goods and services to another group member. If they are not within the same GST group, one party would charge GST and the other party would have to recover the GST. So, the idea of the grouping rules is to simplify administration.

How it's done is that there is a representative group member chosen that carries on all the group members activities and that entity, whoever it is, is responsible for all the administration of GST. If a sale is made by someone outside the GST group, to a member of the group, it's deemed to be made to the representative member as the registered person. Similarly, the various sales that might be made by group members to outside the GST group, are all treated as taxable supplies made by the representative member.

However, taxable supplies between group members are mainly disregarded with the idea of simplifying administration. One paper considers what happens with GST groups of companies. These can be formed where there is 66% commonality of shareholders, similar to the income tax rules for loss-offsets between group companies. In some cases, you can have non-registered entities as part of the GST group. The other paper covers the rules in general and where you can have groups of other entities such as trusts, for example, or maybe limited partnerships.

So, the two papers explore that and explain the background behind how the GST group rules operate. And as I say, these are part of a wider Inland Revenue project to update its material. These are very useful Interpretation Statements and consultation on these is open until 14th of September.

At the same time, I can't help but think that Inland Revenue should be exploring the idea of introducing compulsory zero rating of GST between all GST registered entities. This would largely eliminate the need for rules around GST grouping. I think what it would also do is tackle an area of GST fraud which incurs relatively frequently where a fraudster might register for GST and then files a number of false GST returns, claiming input tax based on made up invoices.

Although Inland Revenue tracks down and catches these people, there is a time lag while the fraud is going on. I'm beginning to think if you want to try and tackle that, compulsory zero rating between GST registered businesses is perhaps a place to start. Giving Inland Revenue more resources to look into it, is another interim measure that could be done.

Trans-Tasman Tax issues

And finally on the Thursday and Friday just gone I was at the International Fiscal Association Australia-New Zealand Joint Conference in Queenstown. This is the first time in over 30 years the Australian and New Zealand branches have held a joint conference. It was highly successful. One reason IFA conferences are so attractive is because very senior Inland Revenue, and Treasury officials, and for this conference, Australian Tax Office and Australian Treasury officials, attend and share their views on insights on current tax topics. (Consequently, the conferences are held under Chatham House rules to enable officials to speak freely).

It's always interesting to swap notes with other attendees and this conference was no exception, but it was particularly interesting because of the focus on Australasian issues. Both sides got to see differing perspectives on common topics, which included the question of tax treaty policy and updates from very senior people from both Australia and New Zealand on the OECD Pillar One and Pillar Two proposals. Australia and New Zealand are very well represented on the key working groups on this, we've got very good knowledge of how things are progressing. We also got a view on the latest environmental and tax developments, including a view from the IMF's principal environmental fiscal policy expert.

“A hot steaming mess” – the perils of Australian taxation

A particularly interesting session was on the taxation of trusts in the trans-Tasman context.  the current state of Australia's trust tax law was described as a “steaming hot mess”. I regularly encounter scenarios where trustees have migrated to Australia without considering the tax ramifications, and a steaming hot mess is perhaps an understatement of the consequences. Overall a very useful session.

Incidentally, Australia and New Zealand are currently renegotiating the double tax agreement between the two countries. And the point was made that although as tax professionals we tend to look at tax treaties solely tax related, one panelist reminded everyone that they're actually often part of bigger trade negotiations.

For example, as part of its efforts to obtain a free trade agreement with the EU, Australia has opened negotiations with double tax agreements with several EU countries. Apparently one reason a UK a double tax agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom in the mid-1970s was so advantageous for the Americans was because at that time the UK was negotiating the purchase of upgraded missiles for its submarine fleet.

Well, that’s all for this week. I’m Terry Baucher and you can find this podcast on my website www.baucher.tax or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for listening and please send me your feedback and tell your friends and clients. Until next time, kia pai to rā. Have a great day.

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the GST on fruit and veggies policy is expensive to implement, and benefit to the end-consumers is almost nil. it would be faster if government increase payment to people on the dole for, say, $25. 

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That Labour proposes to increase the In-Work Tax-Credit to help children whose parents work but exclude children whose parents don't suggests that Labour is not interested in people on the dole, who tend disproportionately not to bother voting, and when they do, to vote Labour no matter how badly it treats them.

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Have you seen how much people with kids on benefits get paid?  An unemployed family with two kids gets $63,000 a year, that is more than HALF of all workers in NZ get paid (the median wage is $61,000). 

As it is, people are already financially incented to have kids so they can go on the benefit, we don't need to make it worse.  The rise in the  number of people on the Sole Parents Benefit since Labour took office is staggering (from 59,502 to 74,166). 

Dont ask me how encouraging people on benefits to breed is going to solve Child Poverty, that is clearly something only Jacinda Ardern understands. 

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It also benefits the rich more, as they are more likely to buy expensive fruit and veges and more of it. Labours own tax working group advised againest this, which just shows what a waste of money these workign groups can be.  Junk food and pop from the supermarket is cheaper than fresh fruit and veges. For often example it is cheaper to buy frozen chips than it is to buy potatoes. Far better and cheaper to provide cost of living payments

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Do you think the rich care about saving $5 on fresh fruit and vegetables?

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Those who watch their pennies will. But regardless, the rich will benefit

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As they generally do with most tax cuts - not usually a concern from most criticising Labour's proposed policy.

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They'd just spend that cost of living payment on drugs and alcohol, and still expect the taxpayer to fund feeding their kids breakfast, lunch and dinner at school.

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A fascinating teaser by Richard Harman at the end of his Politik column this morning on Labour's promise to remove GST from fresh fruit and veges. Harman suggests that Labour had been toying with a UBI, a universal basic income:

'There was some speculation before the announcement that Labour might really deliver to low-income New Zealand by introducing a Universal Basic Income (UBI). Emeritus Professor of Economics at the University of Auckland, Tim Hazeldine, earlier this year proposed that we replace all of the social security and welfare transfers, which total up to about $50 billion a year, with a UBI of $1000 a week for every New Zealander. But that idea is probably far too radical for this very conservative Labour Party.' (I've taken the liberty of correcting Harman's autocorrect's USB to UBI.)

And indeed, Hazeldine on 31 January 2023 did publish on his university's website an essay that is introduced thus:

'Could the Universal Basic Income work for Aotearoa?

'So vast has become our welfare state, writes economist Tim Hazledine, that the money currently spent on targeted transfer payments would easily finance a Universal Basic Income of $1,000 for every adult New Zealand resident.'

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2023/01/31/could-the-universal-basic-income-work-for-aotearoa-.html

Harman was a bit hasty in his reading. Hazeldine's essay proposes $1000 a month, not $1000 a week (thus $230 a week, compared with the $317 a week advocated by TOP, The Opportunities Party).

Even so, if Labour had campaigned on a UBI, a tax-free universal basic income to cover living costs (including GST), I think they would have had the election in the bag.

Continue reading at https://www.politik.co.nz/labours-very-clever-class-politics/?ct=t(POLITIKToday_07_10_2016_10_6_2016_COPY_01)&mc_cid=ba5a138e90&mc_eid=f8a475b7c8| Politik

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Cost of living payment 2.0

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Last year's MSD report has the following breakdown:

NZ Super: 17.76B

COVID Wage Subsidies: 5.18B

Benefits: 9.17B

Accom. 2.40B

Students: 1.98B

Operational costs: 1.57B

Total: 39.51B. (or 34.33B without COVID). So, maybe a little less available for a UBI, following his proposal?

 

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The NZ GST is the best there is. 

Rather than be proud of it, Lab points to the shambles gst oversea and runs the line that,  if they can do it, so can we. 

Totally backward aspiration. 

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But they won't win at this rate so it is a bit like discussing wealth tax policies from the Maori party.

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But what if they take the GST off sanitary products, might just be enough?? GST off fruit and veg did well in a poll, cue another.

They can because they think they can, “Possunt quia posse videntur.”

And we let them.

 

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Who voted this lot in!… go on then… put your f-n hands up 

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A massive majority - who just couldn't vote for Judith Collins and her sleazy team, who among other things were busy  trading  private medical information and dick pics.

 

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I'll take ministers who need a bit of a lesson on boundaries when it comes to private info and the odd snapchat sausage incident over the fiscal and institutional disaster that Labour have created in this country. Great if you're a Wellington consultant making huge money on projects that never actually have to deliver a product or piece of hardware, but a pretty raw deal for almost everyone else. 

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Yeah, I dont understand this obsession with only having Puritans as MPs.  Pretty much the vast majority of the population is now disqualified from holding office for having misbehaved in their teens or 20's, or having had an argument with a flatmate/lover/workmate.  The fact is that people who are complete assh*oles can still be very, very good at their job.  Delivery trumps purity any day.  And its a well known fact that the best CEOs possess psychopathic and sociopathic traits https://brainfodder.org/ceo-psychopath/

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"The best CEO's possess psychopathic and sociopathic traits"? 

I've worked for a couple of guys with those sort of idiosyncrasies, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. They alienated the workforce, cost the company tens of millions, and the final result was a loss so huge that the government had to step in. One of them told me personally, "we're going to make billions". A couple of months later the company was effectively in receivership. 

One of the worst bosses in history was a psycho called Al Dunlap, read about him. 

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And then there are the likes of Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, who achieved things nobody else thought possible.  Some succeed, some fail.  But the point is, would you deny someone with the capability of Jobs or Musk a job just because they are not nice people?

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Not only are some not nice people they're abject failures.

Alienating the workforce is one way to lose a heap of money. I used to work at a company which was a Brierley's subsidiary. They brought in some slash and burn dudes who replaced qualified staff with unqualified no-hopers, down-trained staff only to find they'd run short. The result was staff gouging the company, refusing to work outside their contracts and not answering the telephone..

Staff would actively, but subtly go slow, so when the task wasn't completed on time they'd get paid at much higher overtime rates. 

Staff that would normally work if they weren't feeling that well to get the job done and not inconvenience the public would go sick and cost the company hundreds of thousands. They got rid of very competent younger office staff, but retained the old time servers who did little, but who had a few connections. 

On one occasion many years ago, I got $1,200 for less than 5 minutes work, something I would normally overlook. Those kinds of managers are invariably crawlers who will stab anyone in the back to climb the greasy pole, but prostrate themselves and grovel to their seniors.

I used to work with the son-in-law of a particularly despised manager. He told me even his own family loathed him. 

 

 

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So the government threatens to break up the supermarket cartel, and instead gives them a pay rise? Incompetent.

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$5.60-odd a week that will cost a significant amount to administrate. Why not just raise benefit rates and lift the base tax thresholds a smidge?

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If you are going to go to the trouble and cost of altering the entire GST system, why limit it to just fruit and vegetables?  Why not all fresh food, including meat, eggs and dairy?  God knows, we could do with some pricing relief on eggs. 

And why not remove GST on all food and food ingredients, that would bring us into line with countries like Australia which does not levy GST on the following either (not a definitive list):

  • bread and bread rolls without a sweet coating (such as icing) or filling
  • cooking ingredients, such as flour, sugar, pre-mixes and cake mixes
  • fats and oils for cooking
  • unflavoured milk, cream, cheese and eggs
  • spices, sauces and condiments
  • bottled drinking water
  • fruit or vegetable juice (of at least 90% by volume of juice of fruit or vegetables
  • tea and coffee (unless ready-to-drink)
  • baby food and infant formula (for children under 12 months of age)
  • all meats for human consumption (except prepared meals or savoury snacks)
  • fruit, vegetables, fish and soup (fresh, frozen, dried, canned or packaged)
  • spreads for bread (such as honey, jam and peanut butter)
  • breakfast cereals.

It seems to me that Labour want to look like they are doing something around GST without actually doing much at all around GST.  Cheaper fruit and veg isn't going to swing people's votes, cheaper food in general might have.  But typical Labour, all we get is a lot of cost, a new "working group", and very little benefit to anyone.

Also note, that GST was recently removed on items like women's sanitary products.  https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parli…

 

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I'm always reading comments about "the rich".

What's the definition of "rich"?

I get thoroughly sick of reading about the "poor", who breed like flies, in their teens or early 20's,  are low income, little education or training, rack up bad debt, and then complain about how hard life is. 

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