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The New Zealand Tax Podcast – The Coalition’s tax policies revealed, along with a surprise as the new Minister of Revenue

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The New Zealand Tax Podcast – The Coalition’s tax policies revealed, along with a surprise as the new Minister of Revenue
Parliament & Beehive, 2023


When the shape and tax policies of the new Coalition Government were announced one of the first surprises for me was the appointment of Simon Watts, the National MP for North Shore as Minister of Revenue. I was surprised by this because Andrew Bayly has been National’s Spokesperson for Revenue for the past four years.

During that time, he has built up knowledge and background in this area. And I know that colleagues who have met him believe he understands the issues involved in the portfolio. So, it is a surprise to see Andrew overlooked for this portfolio. Obviously, there are reasons behind that, but it still means that Simon Watts will be picking up a portfolio with little background knowledge on how Inland Revenue has been operating. But no doubt he’ll get up to speed quickly. It will be interesting to see what's in the Inland Revenue and Treasury Briefings to Incoming Minister. And we'll report on that when those briefings are released in due course.

No foreign buyer’s tax but plenty of “buffer” still

In terms of the headlines about what what's happened, it is no surprise to hear that the foreign buyers’ tax proposed by National is off the table. That was obviously a precondition of getting New Zealand First on board. The coalition is “committed to delivering tax relief” with increases to tax thresholds from 1st July 2024.

But beyond that, it's not clear what's to happen. National’s agreement with Act confirms “…no ongoing commitment to income tax changes, including threshold adjustments beyond those to be delivered in 2024.” Furthermore, the two parties recognise “that details of [National’s] Fiscal Plan may be subject to amendment in response to significant new information or events.”

The agreement with New Zealand First refers to letting “Kiwis keep more of what they earn with tax relief of up to $100 per fortnight for an average income per household and a Family Boost childcare tax credit of up to $150 per fortnight."

At the press conference following the signing of the Coalition agreement the incoming Prime Minister Luxon, said in response to the cancellation of the foreign buyer’s tax that National believes there is a “buffer” available to allow the proposed tax threshold adjustments to happen next July. They actually have a buffer around the finances.

Interestingly, when you go through both coalition documents there is no reference to “budget surplus” in either document. But there is a commitment to restore fiscal responsibility and deliver value for money. So, what does that mean? It could be that the Coalition might be prepared to allow deficits to run longer than was previously said. Otherwise, there’s no mention of how the gap created by the lack of the foreign buyer’s tax will be met. We might get a clearer idea with the mini-Budget which is going to be part of the Half Year Economic Fiscal Update to be released in mid-December.

Accelerated restoration of mortgage interest deductibility

National campaigned on a phased restoration of full mortgage interest deductibility for residential rental properties. That timeline will be accelerated under the agreement with Act. From 1st April 2024, it's going to be 60%, then 80% from 1st April 2025 and 100% from 1st April 2026.

The agreement with Act includes the repeal of the Clean Car Discount and a commitment to

Ensure the concepts of Act’s income tax policy considered as a pathway to delivering National’s promised tax relief subject to no earner being worse off than they would be under National’s plan.”

A couple of New Zealand First surprises

There are a couple of interesting initiatives in the New Zealand First agreement neither of which were part of their election policies.

The first is “By or before 2026, assess the impact inflation has had on the average tax rates phased by income earners.” This is an implicit acknowledgment of the impact of not increasing income tax thresholds have since 2010. We should actually get a measure of the consequential effect of fiscal drag. I wonder if this initiative would include Working for Families’ abatement level. However, there’s no commitment to take action on the findings.

More funding for Inland Revenue investigation

More importantly, and already incoming Minister of Finance Nicola Willis has included the impact of this in the “buffer”, the Coalition Government will “increase funding for IRD tax audits to urgently expand the IRD tax audit capacity, minimise taxation losses due to insufficient IRD oversight, and to ensure greater integrity and fairness in our tax system.”

How this will be achieved, is going to be very interesting to see. Obviously, it should mean an increase in resources for Inland Revenue. Exactly how much we probably won't see the full details until the full year’s Budget next May. Still, this is a surprise, including the fact that it has got sign off from Act as well, who are generally committed to lower taxes. (Incidentally, Inland Revenue ought to be safe from Act’s proposal to reduce the public sector headcount by reference to a 2017 baseline, because its staffing level has fallen from 5,519 in June 2017 to 4,130 in June 2023).

Sharing GST with Councils?

The agreement with Act contains a couple of other proposals of varying interest. Firstly, the new Government will not progress the development and delivery of National’s manifesto commitment to a “Taxpayer’s Receipt” for taxpayers. Although minor it’s interesting that Act didn't want that.

On the other hand, in terms of local government financing, there's a couple of things here which I think are really interesting and potentially significant. Firstly, they are to consider sharing a portion of GST collected on new residential builds bills with councils. This is part of Act’s commitment to wanting to expand development and housing, that it thinks there should be more revenue sharing going on councils. I agree we should be looking at how councils fund themselves because my view is the current model is unsustainable, particularly for very small councils.  A shake up in this area is well overdue and sharing GST receipts is one option going forward.

Road user charging & a congestion charge for Auckland?

The Act agreement calls for work to replace the fuel excise taxes with electronic road user charging for all vehicles starting with electric vehicles, which are currently exempt from road user charges. Does this mean the Auckland regional fuel taxes isn't to be repealed until this new system is in place? The agreements are not clear on this point. [It appears that unless a specific National policy is covered by one or both the agreements it remains National policy. This would appear to include the reduction in the Bright-line test timeframe to two years].

During the Election campaign Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown asked if the Auckland regional fuel tax goes how was Auckland going to fund that gap.

The Act agreement has a specific commitment to “Work with Auckland Council to implement time of use road charging to reduce congestion and improve tight travel time reliability.” Again, that's something that Mayor Wayne Brown has mentioned recently. And maybe it's tied into that question of a replacement for the regional fuel tax.

A public health levy?

Also of interest in the Act Coalition Agreement is a reference in its immigration policy introducing “a five-year renewable parent category visa, conditional on covering healthcare costs, with consideration for public health care levy.” It’s not clear whether this levy refers to those people coming in under that immigration category or a wider public health care levy. It doesn’t appear to be a commitment in Act’s Election promises.

39% trustee rate

The Agreements are silent on whether the outgoing Labour Government’s intention to increase the trustee tax rate to 39% will be implemented. This is part of an existing tax bill which lapsed when the last Parliament rose. This particular bill must be reintroduced because it includes setting the annual income tax rates, which must be passed each year to enable the funding of the government. This initial silence implies that that the increase in the 39% Trustee tax rate is going to remain. We'll have to wait and see but we'll probably get more specific information when the Half-Year Economic Fiscal Update is released next month.

In the meantime…

I will be presenting a webinar on the likely tax direction and policies of the Coalition for CCH Wolters Kluwer this coming Wednesday Now what? Tax policy post the 2023 General Election – CCH Learning NZ by which time we should have more specifics.

(This is an edited transcript of part of the Podcast recorded on Friday 24th November)

And on that note, that's all for this week. I’m Terry Baucher and you can find this podcast on my website www.baucher.tax or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for listening and please send me your feedback and tell your friends and clients. Until next time, kia pai to rā. Have a great day.

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Lacking transparency about the "tax buffer" can only mean one thing, more debt issuance, potential for a credit rating downgrade (much like what many local authorities are facing) and elevated interest rates. 

It's not going to be pretty....

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I do not recall the word buffer been used at anytime during the election campaign . 

What is the difference between running a deficit longer,  and more borrowing? 

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Nicola Willis explained today that her early briefing by Treasury focused on "fiscal risks" and "fiscal cliffs" - no detail but I got the feeling it's a mild introduction to what will become a strong line about, now that we've seen the books, this is worse than we previously understood.

 

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We are going to hear a lot about how bad things are, a summer of discontent and regret.

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I'm glad voters are too sophisticated to fall for political sales pitches that can never be fulfilled after elections. 

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So these really bad things treasury have told her happened after the Prefu? Or they neglected to put them in there??? seems strange.

I don't trust a word her or luxon say .Strange Christians. 

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https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/26/new-govt-mini-budget-to-be-released-…

On TV1 News tonight Robertson didn't deny it, just blustered his usual blameshifting BS.

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We all knew that the Country's true financial position had covered up by Labouir

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"electronic road user charging for all vehicles starting with electric vehicles" So the freedom parties can now track your every movement. Ahhh, the brave new world. Never be used against anti vaxxers of course.

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My RUC on a diesel Kia is not that special, you just pre pay...

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"Teletrac Navman RUC Manager is an electronic Road User Charges (eRUC) solution that manages, purchases, displays and updates road user licences in real-time. With the ability to automatically tracks vehicle mileage, the solution uses high-definition GPS data to calculate road activity for accurate and maximised RUC refunds." 

https://www.teletracnavman.co.nz/fleet-management-software/compliance/r…

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No more winding the kms back on the manual odometer :O Shock horror for rural private vehicles.

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If only we could get the new system to pull the plug on your vehicles electronics once your bank account is empty, or you're heading somwhere the state disagrees with?

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Good luck with that.  Not going to be installing any tracker in my car. 

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They got most of the public to track everywhere they went for two years, cars should be a doddle.

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Plenty of muppets will willing go along with it, but good luck installing a tracker on a car that doesn't get willingly handed over for installation. 

I hope that electronic RUCs just means doing away with the extra tag in the windscreen and an online portal/app to help you keep on top of paying for your RUCs.   A reminder every nth Tuesday at 7.45am to check your RUCs, or triggered by your phones bluetooth pairing with the car (stereo) or something along those lines is fine. 

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Yup.  Device connects to car.  Car sends push notification "Your RUCs are running low, would you like to top up?"  Yes/No.  

I mean, I can top up my power account in 20 seconds using an app.  I can hold an NFC card to the back of my phone, and top up my public transport account in 10 seconds.  Direct debit comes out later.  The only reason they wouldn't want to make it that easy, is additional revenue for the consolidated fund.  

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It'll be in the app terms and conditions like everything else that 'needs' to track your location.

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The app wouldn't, and the app can be stopped.  Simply disable locations services while the app is not open/on screen.

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We've noticed that your EV has been used for more than your monthly allocation of visits to the drive through of fast food store x and bottlestore y.

You're health levy has been adjusted accordingly.

Please be aware that next month the health levy deducted from your account will now by z.

Also, you have exceeded the speed limit by so much on these many occasions.

Your ACC levy has also been adjusted and your new ACC fee will take affect from next month also.

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We notice you drove a 2km round trip on 9th day of last month.  At this distance you could have walked or biked.  -2 points off your health credit score for being a lazy bones, your health premiums have gone up.  

*Disputes* I believe it was bucketing down with rain, only adult in the household with 2 children, ran out of bread.

*Dispute Denied*  Insufficient evidence, no purchase receipt provided for bread.  

 

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Hang on, we just got rid of Labour, this sounds far more up their balliwick, or the Greens. 

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Surely you jest? If anyone wants to force you into feeding the corporate owned super organism, it's the right of centre. You are completely free to comply of course, as long as you don't mind being tethered to a permanent drain on your bank account, which is a digital representation of minutes of life, or alternatively opt out by living under a bridge with your belongings in a shopping trolly. Freedom is less free all the time, pushed hardest by the right!

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Did you read the previous post?

 

>We notice you drove a 2km round trip on 9th day of last month.  At this distance you could have walked or biked.  -2 points off your health credit score

 

Sounds much more like something the pedal head greens would try to implement.  

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The original greens were the most freedom minded people on the planet. If instead of growing like a plague species, we had given ourselves space and taken the reality of limits seriously, we wouldn't need right wing parties wanting to track our every movement. Oh the irony freedom lovers didn't see the control freaks of the fake Libertarian crowd for what they are.

You will feed the machine and love it! 

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The original Greens are long gone, the current mob are what I was talking about.

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Well, the new Greens are the generation of neoliberal globalists. The amount of techno utopian growthist, anthropocentric nonsense they've aborbed from the rest of the political spectrum since the eighties, it's a wonder they still have functioning faculties. There is an emerging degrowth faction in the Greens.I live in hope someone there read "Limits to Growth"?

I'm sure no one else sitting in parliment knows the study exists, even though understanding it should be the first qualification for parlimentary eligability.

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funny how yet another thing is attached to EV's . as if any other car is different. And of course your phone is telling anyone who wants to know a lot more anyway.

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It's for everybody eventually, EVs first because of the expiring exemption. 

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They could just change to road user charges based on odometer, but no, let's track everyone electronically with a complicated system instead.

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That's only been working fine for 20 -30 years, we need something shiny and new. Run by blackrock of course.  

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Welcome to Singapore,many in here & Luxon himself talks  about successful small economies.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/singapore-certifi…

SINGAPORE, Oct 4 (Reuters) - To own a car in Singapore, a buyer must bid for a certificate that now costs $106,000, equivalent to four Toyota Camry Hybrids in the U.S., as a post-pandemic recovery has driven up the cost of the city-state's vehicle quota system to all-time highs.

https://onemotoring.lta.gov.sg/content/onemotoring/home/driving/ERP/erp…

The current gantry-based ERP system has been in operation for 25 years (since 1998) and will be replaced by a new Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS)-based ERP 2.0 system.

As part of the shift to the new ERP 2.0 system, all Singapore-registered vehicles will need to replace their In-Vehicle Unit (IU) with a new On-Board Unit (OBU). Once installed, the transition will be seamless, with no difference in how you are charged for ERP today.
 

Choosing your OBU configuration

Motorcycles will be fitted with a single-piece design that includes a Processing Unit and a small touchscreen for riders to toggle through different functions.

Cars and all other vehicles will be fitted with a three-piece design, comprising an Antenna, Processing Unit and an optional Touchscreen Display.

If you choose not to install the Touchscreen Display, you can download a compatible mobile application to view ERP and other traffic information. Currently available apps include:

  1. ERP 2.0: App Store or Google Play
  2. Breeze: App Store or Google Play
  3. Galactio: App Store or Google Play

Installing the OBU

When it is your turn, you will be notified via a letter, email and/or SMS from LTA informing you of your two-month installation period and inviting you to book your installation appointment. Upon receiving the notification, book and manage your installation appointment here.

On the appointed date and time, please bring your vehicle to your chosen workshop to install the OBU. Please be punctual as your timeslot may be released to other motorists if you are late.

Sign up for backend payment or bring a valid CEPAS card.

 

After Installation 

Get to know your OBU - for more information on the features, troubleshooting tips and warranty for your On-Board Unit. 
 

OBU starter kit - English

 

Related digital services After your OBU installation, you can visit One Motoring Digital Services to manage your OBU, view your transaction history and obtain details of your OBU warranty. 

Introducing ERP 2.0

The current ERP system, which has been in use since 1998, is due for a tech refresh.

The new Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) based ERP 2.0 system will deliver all the functionalities of the existing system plus a range of new motorist-friendly services. With GNSS, ERP 2.0 also eliminates the need for bulky gantries on our roads.

As part of the shift to the new system, all Singapore-registered vehicles would need to replace their In-Vehicle Unit (IU) with a new On-Board Unit (OBU). From November 2023, LTA will progressively install OBUs in vehicles, starting with fleet vehicles first.

Once the new OBU is installed, the transition will be seamless, with no difference in how you are charged for parking or ERP today. You would not need to update any arrangements currently tagged to your IU (e.g. season parking). During the transition period, there will also be no change to the congestion pricing framework. 

Vehicle owners will be notified when it is their turn to install the OBU. 

 

 

 

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Until somebody actually outlines what the plan is (is there even a concrete plan yet- pretty unlikely IMO?) then this is all just speculation.   

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The terms 'electronic road user charging' are fairly clear in what they intend to do. There are two options really, put toll road infrastructure in almost everywhere, or have GPS trackers in everyone's cars. Manually reading your odometer would not be described as 'electronic'.

It will be interesting to see if the type of people protesting for freedom against '15 minute cities' will pick up on this plan, or if they will accept it because of who is proposing it.

I believe you that they have no concrete plans, just look at their plan for reducing the public service - 'We will ask the managers how much we can reduce staffing by'.

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Having been in Sydney & Queensland recently, plenty of tolls collected by number plate recognition.Rental car companies forward your credit card details and it is deducted directly from your account,seems pretty simple to implement.

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Tolls are far simpler,  fixed point reader on gantries as we already have in Tauranga and Nothern Gateway, Except OZ uses a RFId tag in the car windscreen.  The number plate reading is just for those that don't have the tag. There are no privacy concerns with that simple system.

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Not only that, they got the public to dob in anyone who didnt comply.  I'll be personally inspecting my neighbours vehicles LOL

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If they want to track you, they can use the mobile device you willingly carry with you at all times.

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Not without a court order, and its not compulsory to carry a mobile device.  And they have off buttons too.

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Prag,are you a drug dealer or having an affair?

You seem veeery concerned about the possibility of electronic road pricing knowing your where abouts lol.

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Neither, But feel free to set an example by posting your whereabouts every moment of every day, not like privacy is something to be valued is it?

You would've loved the Stasi and their files on everybody.

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Jeez,don't be paranoid...it will all be electronic...do you think some one is going to be sitting in a room tracking your movements?

What's the difference from tracking your number plate for a toll to tracking your plate for a congestion charge?

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Much as I suspected, you're a fucking clueless idiot.

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Hmmm,your outburst says a lot about your state of mind...

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🖕

 

I'm actually doing great, work is good, life is good.  Just zero tolerance for those that think having their civil rights trampled is a laughing matter. Not to mention you aren't even actually aware of what the hell you are talking about.  Its not number plate tracking that people are talking about, its fitting a GPS transponder to your car for RUCs.   And who knows whats next, perhaps the next hardware iteration will have a microphone too, just in case you say things against the state. 

Again, you are a fucking simpleton.

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Hmmm,angry man with a limited vocabulary..

Fully aware of GPS transponder,if you look above,I cited the Singapore example.

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then why are you being such a basic bitch and talking about number plate tracking for congestion charges if you know the difference.   Clearly not able to keep up with the topic.

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Pragmatist,

"Again, you are a fucking simpleton". You can be angry and show it without being this abusive. Cool it.

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You probably already walk around with a highly accurate GPS device in your pocket. I don't think anyone would bother with the car.

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Good article on RNZ national radio last night about how much info Google has on virtually everyone, way more than any govt 

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Great to see for now the end of the Greens' proposed very low threshold wealth tax-- the envy tax that would have devastated small business in NZ.  What incentive would there be to have a small business when you already pay 49% of profit in tax, and then having to pay a wealth tax each year based on the presumed value of your business?  Next time the Left gets in, it will ruin the NZ economy by taking out small business, our largest employer.

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The Greens can be pramatic. Nats kill small business. Notice the lack of control over cartels? Must be the chummy relationship between ex Nat lobbyists and the used car salesmen sitting on parliments shiny seats?

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This is one of those times I'm stunned by the willful ignoring of the obvious by ideological followers. The belief that Nact means no more taxes and support for SMEs and farmers etc just defies reality but none so blind as they who will not see I guess.

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Nact definitely lean towards legislation that makes it easier for a SME to conduct their business. The costs to adhere to a raft of employment, environmental, health and safety, etc requirements imposed by left of centre parties is fairly prohibitive. Particularly smaller businesses as they usually can't justify having specific human resources to navigate them all.

That's got nothing to do with ideological preference, it's basic economic costings and the nature of business.

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So you're against health and safety, environmental and employment rights?

When I ran our business we recycled everything we could, the box that replaced us floods the market, swamps the competion and sends mountains of written off product to landfill. The products of uber capitalism not even reaching the consumer. Cut out the middle man and straight to landfill. Now that's efficiency.  

That's "business". 

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So you're against health and safety, environmental and employment rights?

Not necessarily, but what I've watch unfold is that there is seemingly no end, each layer bringing with it increased complexity or cost, for extremely marginal gains. An additional industry in its own right now, that reduces productivity rather than add to it.

Even the understanding is there that whatever environment you have to contend with today, very likely could evolve, usually for the worse.

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Isn't a levy just a tax by a different name?

Was thinking just the other day, if they're going to adjust tax brackets, then it might also be time to look at the government contribution to kiwisaver.

Inflation since this started would have eroded this significantly over time.

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They'll probably halve the kiwisaver contribution like they did last time

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And public transport charges back on plus some.

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I'm luvvin' every minute since the election...not being threatened with new taxes every other day. Death taxes, property taxes, capital gains taxes, wealth taxes, increased income taxes. 

OMG..at least 3 years of it, I'm gonna have another drink to celebrate. 

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I guess "congestion charges" doesn't have the word tax in it so it can't be even though it will be used to replace an excise tax. They are going to pay for the give away promises one way or another, there will be more taxes.

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Auckland Transport and Auckland Council are set to team up to bring congestion charges to the super city's roads in the next two years, hoping to coax commuters off the motorways during peak hour.

Auckland council is not the central govt, just FYI. 

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They need central government to enact legislation to enable this, so actually a central govt initiative. 

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Yeah, pretty sure initiative would lie with the party starting it.. Auckland Council & Transport.  

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I definitely consider putting a levy on the busiest stretch of SH1 in the country a new tax

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TAX TAX TAX they are taxing me on petrol, taxing me on buying a car, now they want to TAX me just for driving down the road!!!! Triple taxes!!!  (am I doing this right?)

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yeah, do not let actual facts interfere with your beliefs... 

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Yes, but be ready for three years of incessant whining by the Left and by the woke cultists. This is already very visible, even here on interest.co.nz.  

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:-) Some of us are loving the opportunity to return the whining from the right over the last few years. Enjoy the whining. Embrace it, as the worst government in NZ history destroys our lifestyle/living standards.

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wingman,

It's just as well you live here then as we really are an outlier on capital taxation. Australia? CGT and property taxes. the UK? Inheritance tax, CGT and stamp duty. The US? CGT. Of the 36 countries in the OECD, only NZ has no comprehensive CGT.

But then, we are so wealthy that we don't need revenue from any of these sources do we? And while we're about it, let's try and make our housing market even less affordable by throwing more money at investors. What a great idea.

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 The former profligate government has thrown away billions.

On maoris, bike lanes, 15,000 more civil servants, the moronic gun buyback, Pike River, the abandoned Income Insurance Scheme, the Harbour Bridge Cycleway, 3 Waters, the light rail fail, the bombed TVNZ/RNZ merger, and all manner of other boondoggles. 

We don't need more taxes, we pay enough. 

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"Otherwise, there’s no mention of how the gap created by the lack of the foreign buyer’s tax will be met."

"Nicola Willis admits scrapping smokefree laws will help fund tax cuts"

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/nicola-willis-admits-sc…

 

 

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If people wanna smoke, good luck to them, we all know the consequences. Kiwis are over the 'womb to tomb' how to live our lives. 

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The product is specifically designed to be as addictive as possible. The users are free to stop, though many can't no matter how hard they try to kick the habit. It is pretty evil stuff really.

Anyway, are National going to be less nanny state with the other recreational drugs? Or is it all just about the money?

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Good point.  One of the excuses used in terms of rolling back the changes was that if there were less retail outlets we'd end up with more ram raids and a black market (where no tax was paid) would develop exponentially.

Sounds like excellent reasons to make cannabis legal to me.

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The ram raid argument is bollocks and is just a smokescreen to hide the fact that despite none of the parties putting forward this policy they have to because of the funding big tobacco provides them. That weasel Bishop used to be a tobacco lobbyist, surely the lowest form of human employment ...

If more people smoke more will get addicted, addiction drives the ram raids. And it's generally the poorest that will be hit because they cannot afford to pay for it. So more ram raids under this policy and more taxpayer money to fund prisons to house the offenders and to treat the illness it causes. 

Who cares though because National and Act are in the pocket of big business and tobacco lobby will reward them nicely. Scummy policy.

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"...addiction drives the ram raids".

In your own word: bollocks.

50+ years ago a much higher % of NZdrs smoked. Daily ramraids to obtain tobacco were unheard of.

The most probable difference is moral & parental failures coupled with widespread entitlement attitudes following 2 generations of increased socialist welfare dependency embedding a lack of self respect leading to lack of respect for others.

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In my experience (as a teacher who has worked with plenty of kids of move in the circles of ram raiders) it's social media more than anything. There is also some good money to be made when the stuff is sold on the black market - not on par with drug money, but for the 13-18 year olds doing it a couple of thousand in cash is like a fortune. I don't think labour's tax increases would have changed the price on the black market but it would have probably created more demand as people looked for cheaper options. 

 

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It's the excise tax that drives the ram raids. Small product, high price - and easy to offload the stolen goods.

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It's the sociopathic & psychopathic feral scum that drive the ram raids.

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Gee, I hope you feel better tomorrow. That sort of angst will be weighing heavy on your overall wellbeing.

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He's a hater. Looks like ram raids were coming down anyway. Good work by previous government not over-reacting and letting the police do their jobs. 

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Tell that hypocrisy to the dead & many injured, maimed & frightened people who were trying to earn an honest living before it was stolen from them.

It was the previous government stopping the police doing their jobs that created the deaths & injuries in the first place.

 

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I thought it was "  the sociopathic & psychopathic feral scum "

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I said that they drove the ram raids, someone else gave them permission by default / no consequences. 

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Cannabis is basically legal now as 90% of the population are likely applicable for a medical prescription. Not a lot of people are aware of this.

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Marijuana causes lung cancer, just like smoking. 

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Not just like smoking, but there's definitely risk there.

Both are less harmful than booze though.

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Have you ever seen a deceased smokers lungs opened up? I have. Not a pretty sight. 

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No internal organs look great.

I was talking more to the harm difference between the nature of smoking cigarettes, which can often account to dozens consumed every day, and the more toxic nature of tobacco.

Breathing in hot smoke of any type isn't great. But the cancer causing properties of being a cigarette smoker is well established, cannabis smoking is more of a grey area. Maybe if they cut open Snoop Doggs lungs that might help.

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Solution: brownies :)

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Yeah, and they are happy to grow more users/excise tax payers - as they are scrapping the lifting of the age of purchase as well.

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I've had 6 years of socialism and spoon-feeding. I'm over it...100%. 

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You know, NZ doesn't change that much between governments. It's mostly all in your mind.

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How does preventing addiction equate to socialism?

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It's not 'preventing addiction', it's telling people how to live their lives. Socialists love telling everyone else what to do. I don't smoke, but if I wanted to it's my business, not the governments. 

Like telling me I shouldn't be driving a ute - OMG, aren't they despicable?

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Show me anywhere in government policy where they said they don't want people owning utes.

There was a push to make NZ's car fleet less polluting, which has a small effect on making the worlds car fleet less polluting,  by affecting sales of new cars, and therefore what the car companies produce. If a specific ute happens to pollute more than another car, you will have to pay extra to buy it.

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People need pick-ups and utility vehicles for work.  All it's done is add to the cost of living as tradesmen and farmers add that cost on to their costs. Hence the inflation we've got. 

Socialists are hopeless administrators, all they want to do is tell others how to live their lives. 

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at least 50% of utes never carry any load , or a driven offroad. They are just status symbols.

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Thumbs up this ^^^

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So what?  If that's what I want to drive, I'll drive it. The NZ nanny state hard at work telling us how to live our PC lives. As a matter of fact I do drive mine off road, I'm building a new house.

And once it's finished, I'm gonna buy another one. Maybe even one of those huge suckers, a Ram 1,500.

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For personal use,fine,drive what you want,but when it comes to tax avoidance, double cab utes that are like luxury vehicles are designed  to get around tax,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-parker-looks-to-close-ute-tax-exemp…

Double-cab ute owners might be getting an unexpected call from Inland Revenue to see if they are paying the right amount of tax, after Revenue Minister David Parker said he was considering a clampdown on the fringe benefit tax rules relating to utes.

Owners of double-cab utes famously pay very little fringe benefit tax (FBT), which is designed to make sure that employees pay tax on their work perks such as using a work car for personal use.

Documents released under the Official Information Act show Parker has received advice on how double-cab utes were taxed and Parker confirmed he was considering acting on it.

Parker said the advice from IRD was that double-cab ute owners weren't exempt from paying FBT, despite a popular belief that there was an exemption in place. Instead, IRD thinks the existing rules aren't being properly enforced.

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I believe nicotine is he second most addictive substance behind heroine. Heroine is illegal - raising the age of purchase for cigarettes by one year every year makes the purchase of cigarettes for a whole new generation illegal.  Nothing makes more sense to me.

Granted kids are taking up vaping instead but nicotine free vapes are available. 

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Cocaine is more addictive that nicotine so it would likely take that 2nd place.

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Video gaming creates the same neurological dopamine craving as heroin so maybe Columbian marching powder is 3rd.

Much of our economy is now limbic based, whereby vendors are well aware of the addiction properties of many legal products.

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Comparing video game addiction to drug addiction is ridiculous. Totally different kettle of fish.

The right wing parties push for less regulation as large corporate donors make big money from it. Sky City with gambling last time, Philip Morris with cigarettes this time. To think it is about peoples freedoms is ridiculous, as illustrated by their approach to cannabis.

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Comparing video game addiction to drug addiction is ridiculous. Totally different kettle of fish.

They're both manipulating the brains reward system in the same way. The image seems different, junkie strung out in a corner vs someone holding a controller, but there's the same nuerological brain dependency going on.

Social media works along similar lines. It's not really a secret now that society is seeing explosive rates of depression and anxiety. This likely has many influences, but the limbic overloading caused by our seemingly harmless, legal consumption products could very well be attributing to this.

If you don't believe, try a dopamine fast for 30-90 days. No refined sugars, caffeine, nicotine, gaming, online usage, etc and see how you feel. If you can't manage that, that could be telling you the harmless substances you subject yourself to, possibly aren't that harmless.

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Nicotine free vapes are simply an introduction to vaping.  They all progress to vaping nicotine, and there is a much higher nicotine content in vapes than in a cigarette, so addiction is guaranteed.  People who still think smoking is a problem are looking in entirely the wrong direction.  Those of the older generation who are wedded to their smokes will get some reprieve, most would simply have switched to buying black market fags if the reforms had gone ahead, as well as the increase in aggravated and armed robberies (not just ram raids) to source the product. 

What needs to happen is for vapes to be taxed the same as cigarettes.  Kids might think twice if they're paying $40 a day for their habit.

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Nicotine on its own is fairly harmless, and possibly beneficial.

Tobacco is not.

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This is a shitty shitty policy, claiming it's socialism is just blind ideological and tribal apologism and shows your true colours.  Shame on you. 

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So you are pleased to see fascists leading our country now 😂

(Because obviously in your eyes centre-left=socialism, therefore the logic follows that centre-right is fascism, right?)

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It's not fascism.

I've had it with being told what to do by do-gooders. More taxes on the way, what sort of car I should be driving, how we need more trains and busses but Auckland's grid-locked, spoon-fed maori language by every govt department, the dopey 'ute tax', how we should be living in apartments and matchboxes instead of houses, the global warming bs, how the govt. should be running our water (with the maoris)......I'm glad it's over. Hopefully for decades. 

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Agree 100% 

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Luzon is not ruling out new taxes, is he socialist? 

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Maybe he's going to assure himself of a 2nd term by introducing a CGT? (As every major economic organisation has recommended NZ should!)

Set low enough, and with the right design, it'll be painless for most people. But it'll hobble Labour & the Greens and TPM big time.

And if the L, Gr, TPM suggest raising it, or changing it, the NACT will scream and whine, while ignoring the fact the CGT was designed as a useless sop.

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Fascism is not restricted to the "Right" & the political labels are self serving perspectives seen through the Overton Window.

"...unity is achievable only if people are free to debate how, and upon what basis, it is best secured. That cannot happen where the principles of liberty, equality and solidarity are despised, or where the citizens’ freedom of expression is constrained. In other words, it cannot happen in political parties where ethnic and gender identity trumps the common heritage of humankind, and where saying as much is condemned as hate speech.

As happens in today’s Labour and Green parties."

https://democracyproject.nz/2023/09/28/chris-trotter-losing-the-left/

 

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Hi there can someone please clarify:  interest tax deductibility on interest,  from this article:  From 1st April 2024, it's going to be 60%, then 80% from 1st April 2025 and 100% from 1st April 2026. from the ACT press release:  Increase the speed at which mortgage interest deductibility is restored for rental properties with a 60% deduction in 2023/24, 80% in 2024/25, and 100% in 2025/26.  My question:  does the deductibility currently at 50% increase to 60% this tax year or 2024 tax year?  Thanks

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Hopefully it does increase :-)

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It's a good observation. I've seen it reported both ways.

Terry's likely got it from the most "official" source but until the mini-budget we'll most likely not know for sure.

(And given Willis's softening up based on bogus "holes" and ":risks", my guess is that it'll be delayed. The brightline to 2 years, down from 10, should sale through. That'll give stressed LLs the chance to exit while cutting their losses.)

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Kelvin Davidson, Corelogic: "Under National's original plan, investors would have been able to claim just 50% in the current tax year, 50% in the 2024/25 tax year and 75% in 2025/26. Now they'll be able claim 60% this tax year, 80% in 2024/25 and 100% in 2025/26."
Source: https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/new-government-new-rules-what-the-change…

Hurry up and wait I guess.

 

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I see Nicola Willis & the National Party have started softening up their supporters to accept they are not going to get the tax cuts & benefit increases they expected. Her justification is that the NACT has new information that includes "fiscal risks" and "fiscal cliffs".

Sorry. I call b.s.

She's got NO new information that wasn't available prior to the election. Sorry NACT voters, you've been conned. And they'll continue to con you.

If you remember back to the Key government's first term, they likewise made the same claim. And then they increased GST to pay for rich earner's PAYE tax cuts. Did they campaign on a GST increase to give big tax cuts to higher earners? No, they did not. (I was one of those higher earners and I was furious.)

Things will be sold. Things will be cut.

But they'll do it in a way that isolated groups will get nailed and those isolated groups will get shouted down by NACT beneficiaries if they dare complain "that's not fair". Once again, they'll rely on the fact that Kiwis aren't that bright.

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They'll save a fortune ceasing  translating all the legislation into maori language, which no one in the real world speaks, and dumping all the hangers-on feeding off the political correctness. 

As Winstone Peters said the other day..."have you ever seen a waka on the road?"

 

 

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re ... "maori language, which no one in the real world speaks"

You need to get out more. 

Or, like Pa1nter, are incorrect and sweeping generalisation your thing too?

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re ... Winston's comment ...

https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search/?keywords=waka#:~:text=1.,medium%2…).

Clever of Winston to do that. It allows dumb people to out themselves. (Have I mentioned that Kiwis aren't that bright.)

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 I  certainly haven't seen a waka on the road in all my travels.  Apparently a waka can be an aircraft too. 

The looniness knows no end, I'm counting on the triumvirate to kibosh it once and for all. 

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How much is the name change going to cost ?I look forward to seeing the KPI on it . 

Winston first is out of touch with ordinary Maori , who often refer to a car as a Waka, at least around these parts. 

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It's an "in" joke among maori and those that have a tiny bit of understanding of the language.. I'd be extremely surprised if Winston wasn't in on the joke. I certainly had a chuckle when he said it - and how quickly it was repeated by certain types of people. 

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This is not a joke, this is fact...many years ago the Taranaki maoris wanted to charge Air NZ for flying through 'maori airspace'. I thnk you'll agree it is funny though..haha. Maybe the maoris beat the Wright Brothers to it.  

 

 

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Tax cuts are coming to Australia next year.  If we want to stop the exodus of skilled professionals to Australia, NZ is going to have to get its tax rates in line with Australia, which are as follows: 

0 to $18,200                  Nil

$18,201 to $45,000       19c for each $1 over $18,200

$45,001 to $200,000     $5,092 plus 30c for each $1 over $45,000

$200,001 and over        $51,592 plus 45c for each $1 over $200,000

And on top of that, the availability of salary sacrificing means that people pay even less tax - as an example a nurse in Australia pays no tax on the first $30k of income due to the tax free threshold and the salary sacrificing benefits for healthcare workers.  They will pay even less tax if they also salary sacrifice a car, housing costs, childcare costs, or additional super contributions.

Then you have the ability to put all your investment assets into a self managed super fund where the income is taxed at 15% and the capital gains at 10%.  That makes a 39% tax on trusts look ridiculous. 

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Ironically , the closest proposal to those income tax rates was from the Greens.

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So you're saying you want parity with Ozzie tax system? So CGT, Stamp Duty, etc. as well?

Or are you "that guy" whose tax analysis starts and stops with income tax?

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For the average young professional they don't have any assets on which to pay CGT.   And stamp duty is mostly waived for First Home Buyers. So for skilled professionals looking at where to move to, Australia or NZ, NZ is going to lose.  And for older professionals who do have assets, that is what a self managed super fund is for.

Not to mention the beaches are better in Australia.

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KW, I suggest you fully bone up on how it works before pedaling taxation advice.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/jobs-and-employment-typ…

(You know you can do much the same in NZ, right? Similar fishhooks and gotchas too.)

When are you leaving?

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I understand how it works. I lived there for 13 years.  And nothing in my comment was tax advice. I'm simply saying that for those earning under $200k the grass will be most definitely greener on the other side.

And show me the IRD salary sacrificing rules - because in all my years of working here I've never been offered salary sacrificing as part of my employment package.  Whereas its standard in Australia. 

Here's what a healthcare worker qualifies for in Australia.  https://www.smartsalary.com.au/salary-packaging/benefits-in-your-indust…

Now show me the same benefits for NZ doctors and nurses.

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Can confirm.

just moved to Australia.  My first full pay packet after tax, and after I set some money aside to pay for NZ Student Loan, yielded a fortnightly increase of $600 after tax.  Without the nz student loan, I would be ahead $900/fn.

it is amusing hearing Australians complain about a cost of living crisis when 91 is 1.74/l, lamb steaks are $5/kg, and angus beef is $25/kg.  $600/week rent for a 4 bedroom home with garage and swimming pool 20km from the CBD also reasonable when comparing it with the $600 1 bedroom sleepouts with no toilet in Wellington.  The real cost of living in Australia is that people don’t seem to do meal prep.  Buying all 3 of your meals every day is staggeringly expensive, but it is what Australians do.  Haven’t yet met one that knows how to cook anything more than bacon and eggs. 

my perspective is that living in NZ teaches one how to survive on very little money and do meal prep for lunches, etc.  Once the ability to escape NZ and set up overseas is gained, those financial survival skills really come into their own. 

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