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Can AI help Nicola Willis to cut public expenditure?

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Can AI help Nicola Willis to cut public expenditure?
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By Chris Trotter*

Who would be Finance Minister in 2026? With the world closing in economically, politically, and morally it is difficult to maintain the fiction that an independent national response is any longer possible amid a plethora of intensifying international storms.

Nicola Willis has given it her best shot, hugely assisted, it must be said, by the chorus of Pollyannas who now pass for Treasury advisers. Playing the “glad game” made a cloying sort of sense in Eleanor H. Porter’s 1913 novel, and even more in Disney’s 1960 Movie, but it is a poor substitute for the bleak but honest forecasting expected of the economists’ “dismal science”.

With elaborate ideological roadblocks thrown up to forestall even the most tentative exploration of revenue enhancement opportunities, Willis’s options for reducing New Zealand’s debt burden are limited. Even assuming she could sell new taxes and/or tax increases to her own caucus, the challenge of selling them to Act and NZ First – without blowing up the Coalition – are just too daunting.

David Seymour’s snippy response to Willis’s oh-so-gentle attempt to extract a smidgen of fiscal support from the Aussie banks indicated clearly what she and her National colleagues are up against. NZ First, while populist enough to embrace at least a show of making the elites pay their fair share, is far too dependent on the generous donations of those same elites to do more than maintain a pained silence.

Which leaves the field clear for Labour to advance a coherent fiscal plan to equip the state with the resources it needs to address the deepening polycrisis.

A brief pause is required here while I recover from a painful fit of bitter laughter.

“We’re waiting for the Budget”, Chris Hipkins reassures us, while his Shadow Finance Minister chirruped “What he said.”, with the irritating consistency of a pet cricket. Leaving New Zealanders to choose between believing that Labour is on the cusp of releasing a bold and fully-costed economic policy, as promised, or a set of policies that owe more to modern communications theory than they do to economics.

The latter would be cheerier. But not remotely credible.

Which is not to say that Labour lacks the intellectual heft to present a bold and fully-costed economic package, merely that there is currently no political path by which such a package could make its way through Labour’s caucus.

The politicians making up that caucus are what emerges from a party hierarchy obsessed with preserving a deeply flawed factional stalemate. Accordingly, the loyalties of Labour MPs tend more towards people than principles. Philosophically, they share the values and pronounce the shibboleths of the professional-managerial class from which, overwhelmingly, they are drawn.

The quality most lacking in Labour is courage. Indeed, the last time the party demonstrated any real political guts was in 2023. That was when Labour’s Finance Minister, Grant Robertson, and its Revenue Minister, David Parker, together crafted a fiscal plan that granted tax relief to the poorest New Zealanders while sharply increasing the tax contribution of its wealthiest citizens.

Chris Hipkins, in his infamous “Captain’s Call” issued from, of all places, Vilnius in Lithuania, scrapped the Robertson-Parker initiative. That Hipkins’ decision was not overturned by Labour’s caucus bears testimony to the strength of the factional alliance that kept him in power then, and keeps him in power now.

Best summed up as “Nobody moves, nobody gets hurt.”, Labour’s electoral strategy is predicated on the idea that by slipping slyly into National’s policy shadow it can pass unmolested by the merciless gatekeepers of the neoliberal state. Hipkins’ priority has always been to convince the powers-that-be that when it comes to an “orderly circulation of elites”, the Labour Party has zero tolerance for disorderly conduct.

The contrast between Labour and the Taxpayers’ Union could hardly be starker – disorderly conduct is pretty much their stock-in-trade.

Vilfredo Pareto (1848–1923) the Italian sociologist and economist who came up with the “circulation of elites” description of electoral politics, divided those competing elites into Lions and Foxes.

According to Pareto, the Foxes rely upon political cunning, manipulation, and the enormous leverage of economic power to govern successfully. The Lions are less flexible but bolder. Tradition and the rules of the game matter to Lions: to enforce them they do not shrink from the use of force.

The Taxpayers’ Union are Lions.

To reduce state spending the Taxpayers’ Union would happily stuff the welfare state into the wood-chipper. If it had the numbers, Act would probably give them a hand.

Willis, and her fellow National Party Foxes, are too shrewd to impose so such misery on so many voters. Stuffing one’s fellow citizens (even the ones who don’t vote for your party) into the wood-chipper runs the risk of bringing the entire edifice of democracy crashing down.

Labour’s Foxes are even less disposed to such coercion, not least because its intended victims do vote for their party!

There has to be a better way of cutting expenditure. Like so many decision-makers these days, Willis and her colleagues are hoping that Artificial Intelligence (AI) can show the way.

Very soon the tens-of-thousands of New Zealanders reliant upon the benefits distributed through the good (and very busy) offices of the Ministry of Social Development will find their personal “client” files managed digitally by AI-driven case managers.

So many redundant public servants to send down the road! So much taxpayer money to save! So little that could possibly go wrong!

When it comes to New Zealand Superannuation a lot of things have already gone wrong. There was a time when for each retired citizen there were seven citizens gainfully employed and paying the taxes needed to support them. Pretty soon, however, New Zealand will face a dependency ratio of one superannuitant for every two workers.

Unsustainable?

The Lions of the Taxpayers’ Union and Act would together cry “Slash and burn! Raise the age of entitlement! Cut the rate! These old-timers have had it too good for too long!”

Wait a minute, though, what about AI?

If the long term objective of the people who have poured trillions into AI is that their capital will very soon be supplanting our labour in all but a handful of activities, then won’t the world’s most advanced economies be looking at a situation in which there are virtually no human workers involved in creating wealth, and millions of former workers utterly dependent on the wealth created by an omnipotent array of supremely clever non-human machines?

What will the Finance Minister of the future do? If she’s a Lion, then her eyes will be drawn inexorably towards the wood-chipper. But if she’s a Fox, then her thoughts might well turn to the paradise predicted by British left-winger Aaron Bastani back when AI first looked like becoming a “thing”:

“Fully Automated Luxury Communism.”

It all depends, I suppose, on whether the machines are Lions or Foxes.


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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Tax the big AI players, tax on tokens and raise corporate tax rates?

In a consumer economy if AI replaces 10% of consumers, the system will crash.

As an aside many of us have been laughing at Hippy even since Jacinda had no gas left in the tank.   There is a real reasons why she cannot live in NZ, and he reminds us of them every day.   I still believe Labour sitting MPs will roll him just after August the 7th, as soon as the MPs can vote on it without party involvement, even more so if the unions believe they have the numbers.

Kieran Michael McAnulty will lead Labour into battle.

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I still wonder we\y he is still hanging on. Clearly cannot read the room, possibly delusional as to his public perception based on his standing in his local electorate, and if I were to guess, he isn't sure where he has to go career-wise after politics, as he doesn't have the offers or options like many other PM's gone by. 

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Nevermind, he can always run as Mayor somewhere

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"Indeed, the last time the party demonstrated any real political guts was in 2023. That was when Labour’s Finance Minister, Grant Robertson, and its Revenue Minister, David Parker, together crafted a fiscal plan that granted tax relief to the poorest New Zealanders while sharply increasing the tax contribution of its wealthiest citizens."

Guts? Nope. Marxists in full delusional flights of naked envy theft.

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The Lion or Fox dichotomy is attractive and simple; possibly a bit too simple.

In the market for ideas, the public service is given only scant market feedback as to their performance that feels like it comes down to: is the minister happy or not? That politician happiness has been filtered through the sensibilities of the professional managerial class, which appears to be ever less in step with the broad mass of the voters.

In contrast, private organisations get strong, direct and immediate feedback from their end
customers and ignore it at their peril. 

Maybe AI can solve some of that disconnect by being driven by data rather than doctrine, it may rethink what gets done to be more coherent and simpler, and may read public mood better than insulated decision makers. Think of AI as an Owl, perhaps. 

The public service grew by about a third in 6 years without noticeable improvement in outcomes. No organisation can do that and remain credible, so something has to happen to persuade the voters to keep faith and not see government as an employment scheme. 

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AI will cut spending unless you have offered voluntary redunancy payments to the people in public service smart enough to take the money and run to a higher paying job

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“Which is not to say that Labour lacks the intellectual heft?” Pardon, that surely must  be past tense. Nobody in either the sixth  Labour government,  or at present, is within any distance of the like of Clark & Cullen or Lange & Douglas & Co. In almost farcical fashion, so lame brained at present that they cannot offer  anything at all of substance except to say we’ll come up with something if we win the election, and that as most will remember,  was exactly how it was in 2017 when to their own huge surprise they found themselves in government, having planned nothing for the previous nine years, and then commenced to govern on the basis of we only need to do anything about something,  after it happens.

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What is this the definition of?  Continuing to expect a different outcome from the same inputs….you got it, neoliberalism.

only question is, what makes the boat go faster.

No one in the current Coalition, and sadly no one in the present Opposition looks capable of fresh ideas.

Literally it’s Opportunity.   

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How much will the AI cost?

Dumb question I know, just ignore.

 

Lions, foxes. Who the are the hyena?

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AI is not really going to help much where you need people, think corrections, police defense....

It may help where people have to analysis data.   Think stats department, but they probably need just modern tech first.

It may help with TPS Reports.     I think National are desperate here and just want to look like they can one day get back to surplus.

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There would be plenty of use cases. For example if you were writing regulation you could ask the AI to find holes in it, or places where it’s unnecessary restrictive. But in general the government need to be the source of rules and data, not use the AI’s knowledge or data. I doubt it will save much money any time soon. 

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You could ask AI for an assessment but you would still have to research (independently) to assure yourself that AI hadnt F**ked up, as it is wont to do....or you could trust it, and we all bear the consequences, and costs.

How do you think it will play out?

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It’s possible that AI could reduce multiple rounds of consultation into one for example (as the AI has already identified most the issues). I’m hardly an expert on how government works TBH. 

In most cases it needs to be used as a tool not as a source of truth. It can do more damage than good if misused. Especially when management are pushing employees to use it to save money without enough thought. 

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I'd suggest that the gov. are (recklessly) relying upon AI being (largely) infallible...which we know it isnt.(and the (ever increasing) costs are also ignored)

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They just need a justification, and AI is the flavor of the day, given it cannot replace human physical work, if you apply the 8k redundancy to the 20-30k people in back office it is a huge decrease in capacity, and to assume the people left will have the time to build new AI processes, or the capability...   seems hopeful.

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I grew up with public servant parents and had an eye into the world of complaints of spending, contractors and poor management.    You need people but the right people can do the work of 2+ inefficient people, the right systems with the right people using them and people using their initiative.

I wonder how AI will respond to the emotional side of the beneficiary.   Will it be their confidant or warden.  You haven't checked in with me and your tone is negative so you're getting a 20% deduction this week.   Or I understand how you are feeling, maybe this is a good idea of a job you can do to earn some money.

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Or just give the dole to everyone and save all of MSDs costs. There are some very good cost savings from a universal UBI, and it also teaches people to budget and spend wisely with no MSD nanny being there. 

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A UBI however does not support a domestic economy however....unless we are prepared (and able) to import all our needs then where is the incentive for work? Within a very short period of time the UBI payment would fail to meet basic living costs...then what?

Better to provide a guaranteed employment provision.

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Perhaps the best answer.

This whole discussion though, is based on the false premise on which the current economic policies are built. We already understand that it is false.

Our government owns the NZ$. It is not pegged to any other currency, instead floating against other currencies. The government can create as much as it needs to spend where it wills. That is both a huge opportunity and a huge risk. But it totally changes the tax conversation. We should be asking why are we being taxed, and refuse to accept that it is so the government can spend. That is BS.

IT Guy comes closest. Tax where the majority of the money is going. The big players. Ordinary people working for a living don't need to be taxed. the money they spend makes the economy function. Regulation to prevent price gouging and profiteering is required. Banking regulations need to be more robust as well as removing the banks ability to create money. That is the government's job.

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The problem isnt the 'money' per se....the problem is providing sufficient labour to carry out the tasks required to make available those necessities.

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Yes, but that is a process. Company tax can be structured to encourage and support new manufacturing, more employment, better wages. Creating jobs that pay decent money is better than too much focus on 'productivity' which may result in lost jobs. 

This picture requires vision and some details may be problematic to work through. Certainly a chunk of the current economic structure would feel threatened and resist, but the government serves the people, not big money.

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A UBI cannot solve those problems....it will become inadequate in a very short period of time, or there will be insufficient goods and services available to support society.

Unless perhaps robots.

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I don't agree with UBIs anyway. 

People should have to work to earn a living. It's been the case for millenia. This new attitude that the state owes them a living is rank laziness at it's worst.

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People should work if able...we have a duty to support them if they are unable, be that short term while they recover or long term if they will not. 

Ultimately we need a functioning society and why I suggest guaranteed employment is a potential solution whereas a UBI is not.....then we need to deal with distribution.

 

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"People should work if able...we have a duty to support them if they are unable, be that short term while they recover or long term if they will not."

People play the second half of that sentence past it's limit. That needs to change.

The second half of you comment, agreed. 

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Some do...a small percentage that in the past was kept in check by social pressures....that social pressure becomes harder to apply/justify when inequality grows to the extent it has and we are daily demonstrated corruption and preferential treatment.

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Finnish UBI experiment. Only for 2 years though, 2017 and '18.   https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/society-and-learning/basic-income-exper…. An extract "Currently in Finland, unemployed individuals are required to participate in active labour market policy measures. Those who refuse to participate lose their unemployment benefit for two months and may also face a reduction in social assistance, the last-tier income support system in the country. This is the first mechanism that was studied."  Sound familiar?

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