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Dairy prices slip again; equities retreat; HSBC to refocus on Asia; virus numbers up; China struggles to return to work; UST 10yr yield at 1.56%; oil soft but gold leaps; NZ$1 = 63.9 USc; TWI-5 = 69.8

Dairy prices slip again; equities retreat; HSBC to refocus on Asia; virus numbers up; China struggles to return to work; UST 10yr yield at 1.56%; oil soft but gold leaps; NZ$1 = 63.9 USc; TWI-5 = 69.8

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand, with news the price of gold has leapt overnight as investors are struggling to remain positive.

But first up this morning, there was another dairy auction this morning and another fall in overall prices. But the fall was small in the circumstances, down -2.85% from the prior auction two weeks ago and taking the total reduction due to the China virus to -7.6% in US dollar terms. Our currency is also lower so today's drop in New Zealand dollars is only -1.6% and the drop for the last two auctions is -4.3%. Given that we are now well into the back end of the dairy season, and some parts of the country are getting too dry, this fall in prices won't hurt the milk payout prospects too much.

World equity markets aren't so forgiving however. Wall Street is back from a long weekend and has shed -0.6% from Friday's close so far in a risk-off mood. They followed European markets who were down a similar amount. Yesterday, Shanghai was down sharply in early trade but closed flat. Hong Kong however dropped -1.5% and Tokyo dropped -1.4% in a day. Locally, the ASX200 fell a much more modest -0.2% and the NZX50 Capital Index actually rose +0.5%.

It isn't all gloom however. The New York Fed's Empire State business survey found a sharp rise in new orders in its district. That was enough to hold firms reporting their expectations at their "somewhat subdued" level.

North of the border however, Canadian factories aren't so positive with their December manufacturing sales down more than they were expecting, and holding the overall 2019 growth to just +0.5%.

In London it is more gloom with giant global bank HSBC signaled it is returning to its roots, shifting out of western markets and concentrating more on China. That will involve shedding 35,000 jobs although most of them will by sale of units rather than shutdowns. It is a clear signal that despite the current coronavirus issues, it sees a better long term future in Asia than Europe or the Americas. The change comes after yet another year of missed targets after previous reorganisations. The bank is now losing shareholder support and may be unmanageable.

In China, Covid-19 infections rose to 73,500 and deaths to 1875 and a higher rise than for the day before. Exports from China seem to have ground to a halt. Fewer than a third of China's migrant workers have returned to work. And its a very tough situation for airlines flying China routes.

The UST 10yr yield is falling today and is now under 1.56%, a -3 bps drop. Their 2-10 curve is less positive at +15 bps. And their 1-5 curve is more negative at -9 bps. And their 3m-10yr curve also more negative at -6 bps. The Aussie Govt 10yr is down -3 bps at 1.03%. The China Govt 10yr now at 2.92% and unchanged. The NZ Govt 10 yr will start today at 1.33% and also down -3 bps.

Gold is up +US$22 to US$1,603/oz in very sharp risk-off move in New York today. This is the first time the yellow metal has been above US$1,600/oz since 2013.

US oil prices are now at just under US$52/bbl after a small fall overnight. The Brent benchmark is also lower just over US$57/bbl.

The Kiwi dollar will start today lower by -½c at just over 63.9 USc. On the cross rates we are lower too at 95.5 AUc. Against the euro we are down at 59.1 euro cents. That means our TWI-5 is now down to 69.8 and a cumulative devaluation in 2020 of -3.2%.

Bitcoin has risen and now at US$9,939 and a gain of +2.3% since this time yesterday. The bitcoin rate is charted in the exchange rate set below.

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gold just went over 80 $/g. Two years ago it was below 60 $/g.

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Gold and bitcoin are now the smart moves. And maybe silver and ethereum for those more risk appetite.

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well if a company in China wanted a line of credit I would want some collateral, assets in China are probably not that acceptable but gold..

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You could settle with bitcoin in 10 minutes..

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comedy?

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Do you hold/trade or have any understanding of Bitcoin Andrew?

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no, and it's going to stay that way.

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Good probably best not to comment about it then.

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Well it's a valid point, no guarantee that funds will settle in 10 minutes.

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President Xi announced that China will be a world leader in blockchain and the central bank of China has said it is developing an official state digital currency, backed by Yuan but running on blockchain. They are not joking around when it comes to this stuff.

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And at least some gold backing. They haven't been stacking to play tidlewinks.

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You get it..the BTC fans don't.

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Something in my hand with thousands of years good proven track record v something that I can not hold and no history.
Yeah it's a not a hard choice, if you think logically.

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10 minutes? Jack the transaction fee up and it could go even faster

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10 minutes is the expected block time on the bitcoin blockchain. A higher fee just increases the chance your transaction will be included in the next block.

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Gold and Silver heading up with falling NZD is looking like a safe option for next 6 - 12 months as NZD may head back to 51 cents like 2009 gfc

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PMGOLD (Perth Mint warrants fully redeemable in physical) and EPTMAG (silver ETF) if you have access to ASX.

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Just go to your own PM dealer.

If it ain't in your hand I don't think you understand the concept of PMs.

Whats the EFT to physical ratio again?!?

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NZ Mint advertises on here, so mention interest.co.nz when buying to susport this site.
They are supper easy to deal with.

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Most are so easy to deal with. Here in Australia you can buy up to $5,000 per day without having to produce any ID.

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Good to put a word in for this site.

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If it ain't in your hand I don't think you understand the concept of PMs.

And you obviously don't understand the difference between PMGOLD and an ETF such as SPDR. They're fundamentally different.

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Gold is not a deflationary hedge. It will come down to US$ 800 and stay there for a while. It is in a speculative bubble. Don't get me wrong, I like PM's.

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Where do you see deflation? The reaction we can be assured of to recession or plague is to print money, or inflation.

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QE is not money printing, it is an asset swap. Other than that we have been in Not-QE for quite a while now.

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. It is in a speculative bubble. Don't get me wrong, I like PM's.

Why? Because central bank demand has been high? Actually retail demand for gold is not "high." I will admit inflows into ETFs have been strong.

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Because it has still not broken out of its 2011 downtrend. Because gold can't rise long-term in a deflationary environment. And because it will be sold to pay off debt when deflation persists.

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Huh? 1. Gold has been in a uptrend since the early 2000s. 2. The gold price has risen relative to JPY in a "deflationary environment"; and 3. Nonsense.

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May be right on 3. in terms of collatoral calls. Otherwise the "asset swap" is lowering yields and inflating the price of those assets. Credit is still being produced to purchase the assets at ever inflating prices. Sooner or later the money will chase security in a zero bound yield environment.

What are the moving averages saying about PM's trend? I haven't looked.

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It won't be sold by countries if it becomes a backer of a currency.

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In the only other time of world deflaction, gold went up in value and buying power.

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Guwop you must be in la la land to think gold will pull back to $800 US. Gold still has a long way to go yet. IMO $2K US by years end.

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Are we still underestimating the potential health and financial effects of the virus.. Appears like a slow moving avalanche.

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I think amid the optimism about the slowing of official infection rates it's important to remember that this is in the context of approximately 60% of the country being under some kind of restriction (not all as severe as Wuhan mind). At some point people will need to go back to work, China can't stay locked down forever.

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But it can stay locked inside its own borders for the next 6 months, and the infection with it. As far as I can tell, there are still less than 100 cases of new infections in Europe/Americas. If we make it another fortnight without a significant outbreak outside of Asia I think it's going to become an entirely manageable localised outbreak. That is still a lot of people, and the financial impact will be large, but its not going to be a massive black swan event.

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An alternative viewpoint: China's workforce will continue to be decimated by localised outbreaks, further disrupting supply chains. A number of people released from the Diamond Princess, and Westerdam are probably infected, and that will have serious consequences. The diseases infectiousness, and propensity for asymptomatic carriers will defeat contact tracing and quarantine measures, particularly in high population density areas. Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong will have outbreaks that quickly overwhelm their healthcare systems, and require draconian government measures that effectively shut down the economy. We're in the very early stages of a global pandemic and the situation will continue to get worse.

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@caleb ................. a pandemic like this has historically taken 6 to 9 months to spread around the globe ........ that takes us to the end of 2020 .

Just watch it take hold in the Southern Hemisphere this winter when we are all susceptible to getting infections .

The panic and resultant extreme measures on the part of the Chinese indicates that this virus is way more aggressive than what we have seen or experienced in the past , they are saying very little , and there are just too many unknowns

I keep hearing that " flu causes more deaths than this" ............. well these deaths are ON TOP OF the normal flu-related deaths , so that's no consolation whatsoever .

I would not be using public transport in Auckland this year , especially given the fact the interiors of our bus fleet are disgusting , the handles are never cleaned and the air is likely already full of floaties that can make you sick

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"The panic and resultant extreme measures on the part of the Chinese"
This is similar approach to the way a chinese drives a car especially where the traffic is heavy. It's a pity when they are the one who has right of way or you are behind them.
I cant help thinking they are being excessively cautious here albeit the virus seems slightly more aggressive with a slightly higher death rate than normal

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PRC aren't being cautious, their leadership has data on what is actually going on (rather than lies they are feeding to everyone), and are reacting accordingly. They don't want to kill 10's of millions of Chinese due to inaction, and the time for extreme measures is at the start of the pandemic when numbers are low, not later on when there is no stopping it.

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You've changed your tune Boatman. I thought you said it was a harmless Wu Flu, or Kung Flu. ps you should really use the non stigmatising nomenclature.

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Japan GDP Drops 6.3%, Raises Specter Of Global Recession

https://247wallst.com/economy/2020/02/17/japan-gdp-drops-6-3-raises-spe…

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Underestimate Japan at one's peril. The combined whack of big Japan, Hong Kong, China and Singapore downturns could be massive.

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Those deflationary pressures contine you build. I can't wait till we all get to default on our rates, hopefully together in coordinated anarchy.

Manufacturing beef prices continue to soften, as China trade slows

https://www.beefcentral.com/trade/manufacturing-beef-prices-continue-to…

Sources told Bloomberg that containers of frozen pork, chicken, and beef (mostly from South America, Europe, and the US) are piling up at Tianjin, Shanghai, and Ningbo ports because of the lack of truck drivers and many transportation networks remain closed.

Seaports in China are quickly running out of room to house the containers and cannot provide enough electricity points to keep existing containers cold. This has forced many vessels to be rerouted to other destinations.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/supply-chain-chaos-unfolds-major-chin…

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERE3xY5UwAAvmxv?format=jpg&name=small

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ANZ rural economist said last week - "The Chinese government is trying to prioritise the distribution of food and medical supplies so that is a positive".
The fake optimism from our banks continues to amaze me. They are so divorced from reality in assuming that the Chinese government will use supplies of premium-priced, grass-fed NZ beef, lamb and dairy for emergency supplies. Steak cuts and cheese that were shipped out to be consumed in high-end restaurants will be used as ration!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119385590/kiwis-may-get-cheaper-meat-a…

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Premium stuff will be distributed to party insiders. The peasants will have to make do with rice and rats

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"I can't wait till we all get to default on our rates"
What rates are you referring to?

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rural rates have gone sky high in the last few years, double digit compounding stuff.

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Rates default might happen sooner than one could hope for - apparently the world has turned against China - China may react? : - https://tass.com/politics/1120699

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Do you mean council rates?

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In China, Covid-19 infections rose to 73,500 and deaths to 1875 and a higher rise than for the day before.

When I look at the released figures I see cases and deaths being slightly lower than the day before
Cases - 16/02 - 2132 17/02 - 2003
Deaths - 16/02 - 106 17/02 - 98

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they ran out of test kits weeks ago, now the numbers are just matching CCP narrative.
https://www.epsilontheory.com/love-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

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That may be so but why is Interest.co reporting the released figures as being higher than the day before? I'm interested in the death statistics as you don't really need a kit for that.

Deaths seem to be going down and hardly any deaths outside of China.

The study just released from China appears reasonably optimistic:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51540981

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it's all a fairy tale

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You need to get that fever looked at.

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Given chinese govt's love of propaganda and cheerful attitude to lying and falsifying data there is no reason to put any stock in the figures they release. Particularly when the story they so obviously want to sell (to protect the Party and their economy) is that everything is OK and they are totally in control. The way it is spreading in Japan and Singapore, with about 1000th the number of cases shows what a lie it is. China can not possibly keep track of half a million infected people and in most of china people are still out and about, going to work, using public transport etc. Exponential growth in rest of world continues unabated, 10x in 20 days.

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Even so, why has David written that cases/deaths had a higher rise than for the day before.

That's all I'm asking really because :

WHO Situation Report Feb 18

WHO Situation Report Feb 17

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China funds and owns the WHO

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My query is just concerning the released figures.

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WHO is echoing the CCP line

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I'm tending to believe the figures of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention. It makes sense.

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I think it depends on what David's source was. We all know CCP cocked up big time on the coronavirus. However, given the tension between the PRC and the West (America, predominantly) in the past few years, it's natural for the West to take this opportunity and undermine the PRC as much as they can. There is a risk to trust what CCP says without any validation, though the same thing goes to the reports done by the West.

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Yeah, I'm just asking for the source. The above news report seems to imply it is the Johns Hopkins CSSE which shows a decline in the daily tally of deaths and new cases.

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Only CCP knows the real number, others can only speculate, especially on what's going on in Wuhan and Hubei province. And there are a lot of emotions involved here too. I talk to my friends and family members living in China daily. What they have witnessed aligns with some of the things David mentioned here. E.g. they are definitely gearing up to resume bau in the northwest. Tho the southern part is still paralyzed.

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World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Chinese data “appear to show a decline in new cases” but any apparent trend “must be interpreted very cautiously”.
That seems to just be a nice way of calling them liars.
https://www.oann.com/coronavirus-infections-slow-in-china-as-apple-warn…

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I agree in some respect

Although I dont trust the Chinese date, there seems no doubt that it seems to be reasonable contained to within China other than the Cruise ship and it is encouraging that cases outside of China are not growing at a rapid pace.

In saying that I dont think we are out of the woods just yet

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Yes, reasons for cautious optimism that it will have slow spread. Though how on earth with the world deal with China in future if it is endemic there and nowhere else? China would likely prefer it spread through the world so that they would not be subject to enduring quarrantine

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Moves in the silver price almost 2x that of gold and pushed through important resistance of USD18.

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Rising despite being suspressed. And so it starts.

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https://wolfstreet.com/2020/02/18/is-private-equity-having-its-wework-m…

'Over the past year, I have been highly critical of the Ponzi Sector. You have businesses with no hope of ever showing profits, focused on using VC capital to create revenue growth in the hope of an IPO. As the IPO window has now closed, these companies are in something of a bind; if they slow growth to reduce losses, they become no-growth incinerators of capital and if they keep going, they may find that they cannot make payroll one day—remember WeWork?

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Good read doing the rounds on Facebook. An opening teaser.

HOW KIWI'S PAID BILLIONS FOR AUSTRALIA'S HIGHEST HONOUR.

Between 2008 and 2016 there was one man who did more for the Australian economy than any other individual in the world.

He was not an Australian citizen, or American, British or Canadian.

Because of his actions, literally billions upon billions of dollars were created for Australian business, predominantly the banking industry, and this created a massive tax windfall for the Australian government.

The man in question was a New Zealander and he was awarded Australia's highest honour - The Honorary Companion in the Order of Australia, in recognition for the significant impact he had on the Australian economy.

That man was John Key.

John Key's contribution was well understood by Australian Treasury but not unsurprisingly went unnoticed by the NZ media.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=837651553376372&id=10…

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HSBC? Has any bank featured so constantly in illegal practice as HSBC? China should be a good home for it. It doesn't deserve in any position in Western, democratic, efficiently regulated markets.

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HSBC is a British multinational. What is being reported is the tip of the iceberg of HSBC's problems and it's precarious position is being touted as a potential Lehman Bros stemming from HK and China (before the onset of the virus issue). This is serious. Another of its ilk Standard Chartered is feeling extreme heat too.

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Add Deutsche Bank to the list.

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Technically HSBC is a Chinese bank founded in Hongkong in 1865, though it does have a British colonial history and use that to it's advantage to give it more of a western face. HSBC actually stands for "Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited". It's has always been a troubled bank, though it has tried to break new ground international. So perhaps now is a good time for them to concentrate on their roots and develop more in Asia.

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Replying to @PositiveMoneyUK and @nz_positive
Surprise, surprise: The real point of so-called "central bank digital currency" (something nobody knew we needed) is to abolish banks.

Permanent Japanisation. Growth no longer allowed.

Totalitarian control over all transactions

When will the banks wake up to what is happening? Link

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Thanks Audaxes, good link.
Prof. Werner is one of the very few that tell the truth.

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Flight to Hong Kong very empty and Hong Kong airport is like a ghost town, quite airy. At least there are no queues at immigration lol

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Eerie.

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Thanks, I stand corrected

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Maybe they had the windows open....

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Careful he might catch a cold.

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Safe travels Yvil. That is what deflation looks like in real life.

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Thanks, could you write a post without the word "deflation" in it?

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Sure I will replace it with 'debt-free'

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HSBC exposed to Hong Kong recession with 30 odd percent of business there and massive over leverage.

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I have never understood this fixation the world has with gold

Other than for adornment it has little intrinsic value , almost no industrial or medical or practical application that cannot be substituted................. and worst of all , it produces zero return .

Unless I was in a war and was about to flee and want to take something with me , I would never ever bother to buy or hold gold

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That's too bad. If you'd been buying gold annually since 2006, it's average ROI p.a. in NZD would have outperformed anything a retail bank would have offered you for cash.

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And it's value lies in the reality it's not someone else’s liability, which makes it good for last resort collateral, except for the cost of storage and delivery.

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Retail bank return is setting the bar extremely low

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Cash returns are a typical benchmark for evaluating ROI of different asset classes.

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double post

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Based on known reserves, estimates suggest that gold mining could reach the point of being economically unsustainable by 2050, though new vein discoveries will likely push that date back somewhat. ... Fortunately, gold hasn't run out yet and is widely considered a wise investment option for any investor.

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Here’s the thing boatman, by comparison cash (as in fiat money) is easy money cause it’s easy to inflate, the yellow stuff is hard money cause it’s hard to inflate.

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So oil is being stored as Chinese consumption has fallen . I wonder when this will filter through to the price , as storage costs bite ( or run out of space ) and sellers need to get rid of unsold inventory

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There seems to be a typo in the headline, I think should say "bitcoin jumps while gold rises a tiny bit". Also Ethereum up 10% today, again.

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