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US jobless claims high, support nears end; China CPI rate stops falling; China office overbuilding grows; Aussie house lending dives; Australia warns on China; UST 10yr yield at 0.61%; oil and gold lower; NZ$1 = 65.7 USc; TWI-5 = 70.3

US jobless claims high, support nears end; China CPI rate stops falling; China office overbuilding grows; Aussie house lending dives; Australia warns on China; UST 10yr yield at 0.61%; oil and gold lower; NZ$1 = 65.7 USc; TWI-5 = 70.3

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand, with news China's fury with an independent Australia is a worrying development for New Zealand.

But first, American jobless claims came in at just over +1.3 mln in data for last week, a little less than was expected. That takes the total number of unemployed American on these benefits to just over 18 mln. A majority only have one month or so left with this support so markets are turning their attention to the impending social cliff. It's going to be tough.

Also facing a tough immediate outlook are investors. The Wall Street earnings season unofficially begins next week (Wednesday) with results from some of the biggest American banks. Analysts expect S&P500 companies overall to report a -40% drop in year-over-year earnings for the second quarter, when the coronavirus likely took its biggest toll on companies. Earnings fell -13% in the first quarter. The resurgence of the virus and the growing re-imposition of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders will have investors worried the trend will be extended and the expected and priced-in rebound won't actually come in 2020.

Not every sector is in stress however. Prices for forestry logs for products like sawn timber and plywood have soared because of booming demand from home builders making up for lost time, a DIY explosion sparked by stay-at-home orders, and a surge by restaurants and bars to install outdoor seating areas. Prices are back near their pre-lockdown highs and are taking competitive pressure of our logs to China.

The situation extends to Canada as well as housing starts are running faster than expected.

China's consumer inflation rate is rising again and ending a four month set of consecutively lower levels. It was up +2.5% in June from a year ago. In the food category, beef prices were up +18% in a year, lamb prices up +11%. This was a slower rate of increase for beef from May, but a faster one for lamb. For most other categories of consumer prices there was an easing.

And there are growing signs of excessive investment in China that is not matched by real demand. The office vacancy rate in Beijing climbed above 15% in the second quarter of the year, the highest in a decade as new construction far outpaced what could be leased. This is emblematic of China's "investment-driven" stimulus approach.

And we should note there is an election in Singapore today. It will no doubt be the usual 'fixed' affair with the ruling party stifling dissent for another easy win.

In Australia, May data shows that new loan commitments for housing fell sharply, down almost -12%. This was the largest fall in the history of the series, driven by strong falls in the value of loan commitments for housing in New South Wales and Victoria. The value of new loan commitments for owner occupier housing fell -10%, while investor housing fell more than -15%. The number of owner occupier first home buyer loan commitments fell -9.3%.

And Australia has announced that its citizens should avoid being in Hong Kong, over the fear of arbitrary detention and State hostage taking. At the same time, Australia is offering a welcome mat with skilled and graduate visas to be extended for people from Hong Kong. Australia has cancelled its extradition treaty with the once autonomous city. Beijing is reacting with fury. (We may need Jian Yang and Haymond Ho to earn their keep - and explain to Beijing that New Zealand is independent and won't be cowed either. They do represent New Zealand, right? What chance?)

Equity markets are lower in a general risk-off tone that pervades today. In New York, the S&P500 is down -0.2% in mid-afternoon trade. They follow Europe that was generally down a bit more, averaging -1% although London closed down -1.8%. Yesterday, Shanghai rose yet again, up another +1.4% and so far this week it is up a startling +9.4% on top of last week's +5.8%. Beijing came back from their Dragon Boat Festival with firm instructions to the 'home team' to juice up this market - and they have delivered. There is something of a 'rebound frenzy' underway in China now. Hong Kong was up a much more restrained +0.3% yesterday, and Tokyo was up +0.4%. The ASX200 chimed in with its own +0.6% rise, but definitely bring up the rear was the NZX50 Capital Index which was down -2.3% as the energy companies took a pounding on the Tiwai Point closure news.

The latest compilation of COVID-19 data is here. The global tally is 12,118,700 and that is up +226,000 since this time yesterday. Global deaths reported now exceed 551,000 (+6000). And there is a new virus to worry about.

A quarter of all reported cases globally are in the US, which is up +67,500 overnight to 3,188,000. US deaths now exceed 135,300. The number of active infections in the US is now up +32,300 to 1,645,400. Both infections and deaths are on the upswing again.

In Australia, there have been 9056 cases reported, another +173 since this time yesterday, and still concentrated in Melbourne which is now in lockdown. Their death count is unchanged at 106 and 10 people are now in ICU (+2). Their recovery rate has slipped back further to under 84%. There are now 1378 active cases in Australia (up +85 in a day).

The UST 10yr yield is a lot softer today, now just on 0.61% and falling. That is a -5 bps retreat on the market risk-off shift. Their 2-10 curve is down to +45 bps. Their 1-5 curve is also soft at +12 bps, and their 3m-10yr curve even softer at just under +50 bps. The Aussie Govt 10yr yield is down -2 bps at 0.87%. The China Govt 10yr is up again, up another +6 bps at 3.18%. And the NZ Govt 10 yr yield is also up, up by +4 bps to 1.02%.

The gold price has slipped by -US$10 today to US$1,801/oz.

Oil prices are also lower today, down by a bit more than -US$1. They are now just over US$39.50/bbl in the US and the international price is just over US$42/bbl.

But the Kiwi dollar is little-changed at just on 65.7 USc. On the cross rates we are firmer however at 94.4 AUc. Against the euro we are still hanging in at 58.1 euro cents. That means our TWI-5 is still at 70.3.

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Getting more difficult for NZ to stay ‘neutral’ on China issues.
Re Australia & Victoria COVID - a few more escapees here & greater Auckland will be in lockdown just like Melbourne.

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I don’t see how it’s becoming more difficult for NZ to stay “neutral”.

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Exactly. Disengage economically and berate anyone we dislike until they retaliate with force.

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This is what happened in Nazi Germany. Turn a blind eye to the persecution of Jews, then the disabled, then ....
NZ has a choice to stand up for human rights and the rule of law now

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Indeed. We could dismiss the Queen as head of state and aim to punish the UK for this human atrocity.

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I'm all in for dismissing the Queen as head of state, that doesn't mean we shouldn't hold the Chinese to account.

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Did I say otherwise? We could add our voice to this forum. Not that I think much good will eventuate. And Russia is close to Japan and will not permit aggression which impacts it's petroleum exports to China.

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At the time NZ was as guilty as the UK of turning a blind eye to those atrocities. Be careful about throwing stones! While we might consider ourselves to have grown up now, that does not make our past squeaky clean.

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We cannot change the past but we certainly can change the present.

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Too right. We can fight oppression today to build a better future, but to use WW2 as a justification to dump the queen, is just stupid.

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Theres plenty of justification to abandon the monarchy though

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Perspective only, and although I am not a royalist I strongly disagree.

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Better the Royal family than an appointment from the Government of the day. Just look at the US Supreme Court to see how that might go depending on who is in power at the expiry of someone's term.
Think about having John Key (or Swarbrick/Genter) as the titular Head of State, with Jacinda as PM? Monarchy any day ahead of a political horse and pony show like that.

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Genter - another foreigner meddling in NZ politics

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“Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly.”
– Mahatma Gandhi

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China is such a huge economic powerhouse, there must be a risk of flying too close and getting sucked into a vortex and losing our independence. Just thinking( slowly).

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If the whole World silently shuts down their association, then maybe, just maybe they will listen....to one and all.

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I agree. Say NO to *Made in China*!!

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It’s blatant China is becoming extremely aggressive compared to pre-COVID. This is now a different country trying to “save face” (avoid humiliation, rally the troops, solidify patriotism). The world has to respond differently. But of course “New Zealand is just a small country, let’s keep our mouth shut, we have an economy to save, China is our saviour, we must never utter a word about China‘s transgressions”. Yeah sure, let’s see how being China’s puppet works out for us! Good plan.

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We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” — Elie Wiesel

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From a man who truly lived through the consequences of this. Excellent quote. Thank you.

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Melbourne, about same population as NZ, demonstrates the precautions of our government as being necessary. Slip ups yes, but overall the end justifies the means. Like it or lump it.

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The risks of community transmission now grows every day with 1000s inside incubator hotels and Govt inability to stop COVID positive arrivals moving around supermarkets and bars.

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Like every country we have our percentage of selfish fools. Assume they have fled home because they can & NZ is a lot safer than where they were. They are told the rules that apply to that. But nonetheless, they just want to go out and endanger other NZrs. Go figure

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What rubbish - all of those who complete the isolation are free of the virus when they leave. Perhaps less of the hyperbole would make your posts believeable.

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So if someone who is on day 1 of their isolation interacts inside the hotel with someone on day 14 then that 14 day person is then tested and released, would you be 110% confident they're virus free given the incubation period?

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Has that happened? The sky might fall on our heads.....

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The point is that Labour has managed this badly, the country has a loss of faith in their ability to manage. Hence more than a few Kiwi's feel they need to monitor them instead of just blind faith that they have it under control.
You may choose to believe that Labour can manage effectively but their history shows there is more than a litttle reason to be concerned.

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Labour hasn't managed this badly, though - and the country in general does not believe they have managed this badly. Have they managed it absolutely perfectly every step of the way? No. But that would be nigh on impossible to do. And comparatively speaking, it's hard to find a country who has managed things better.

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"We are prepared" "I will continue to hug people" Jacinda.. A week later they are forced to LD because they totally underestimated the situation. Dont be fooled by the PR machine spin.
If people had faith in Labour management they wouldn't feel the need to comment about it.

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I agree that they underestimated the situation. As I said, they did not do everything perfectly. But pretty much every country underestimated the situation. It's easy to look back in hindsight and say this, that and the other thing should have been done earlier or differently. In general though - and definitely comparatively speaking - the government has managed things well.
"If people had faith in Labour management they wouldn't feel the need to comment about it." - So you're making claims about whether 'people' (in general, I assume) have faith in Labour management based on what anonymous strangers do and do not comment on in the comments section of a niche website? That seems a very unusual method.

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Do you not read the comments on here.

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Yes, I do read the comments on here - you seem to have missed the point. The comments on a niche website are not a reliable guide to what the general population thinks about the performance of a particular government. We do actually have opinion polls about that. With regards to how the government managed things at the beginning, 84% of New Zealanders approved of how the government managed the response. Of course a lot has happened since that poll was taken, but support for the government - and for Ardern as preferred prime minister - is still pretty high. I've included links below.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-04-2020/almost-90-of-new-zealander…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2020_New_Zealand_…

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A lot of that comes down to the second choice being National and Muller being the next best thing.

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The spinoff and wikipedia are probably the 2 worst sources you could provide as reference lol

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Why? In this context they are just reporting poll numbers from Colmar Brunton, UMR etc. You can check the original polls by clicking on the links provided. I'm sure you can find other sources reporting the exact same polls if you try. Regardless of your political leanings, I don't see any reason to doubt the poll numbers.

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Labour has an great PR spin machine. It is the one thing that they can manage well.

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& CNN.

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They need to keep spinning the Covid-19 outcome because they have nothing else to electioneer on. But that's politics and expected. What I find less understandable is how gullible the supporters are here, on a finance site of all places. Mind you, I see a lot of new members so I suspect this site has been identified as a cost free channel for leftist party activists to spin their propoganda. Be smart out there people.

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It has become a lot more 'left' on here in the last few months.

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I'm probably one of the ones you would identify as 'left' Kezza, but in reality I want things to be central. I have a concern that people can't determine the difference today. Can you?

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Fair enough I agree with a lot of your posts.
What I do not see is a central Govt that can manage, left or right. I am against putting everything in Wellington run by a few people. Labour is close to being in bed with China as much as National, centralizing could exert more control from the likes of them.

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Can't really disagree, Kezza. My view of modern politics, and this has been demonstrated in spades in the last few days, is that it is more about power and privilege than serving the people. They will say and do anything to get into power and then say and do anything to stay there. This is why mavericks are so important.

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Until you mentioned leftist at the end of your comment, I thought you were talking about National and the right going on and on and on about minor hiccups with Covid isolation, and having no new ideas or policy to talk about.

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I think people notice comments from people they disagree with more than those they agree with. I've noticed a bunch of new posters from both sides, and it is becoming more political as we get closer to the election.

Brace yourself, 2 and a bit months to go, its only going to get worse.

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I hate election time where you read and hear more and more BS all painted up to look great and the promises that you know will not be kept from whatever party wins.

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My understanding is that new arrivals are now separated off from people who have been in the facility longer, at least until they've had their first test on day 3.

That wasn't previously the case though.

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Thats what I'm getting at. Unless every arrival is isolated day by day, we have no way of knowing if there has been community transfer as per my example inside of our hotels. And given the incubation period of the virus, it could be a catalyst for an outbreak

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To allow that was brain dead. Labour continually screws up the simple stuff. It undermines the public's perception of their ability to manage the big stuff. Some will say it is the feet on the ground that screwed it up but not to hold people to account is the leadership style that allows that in the first place.

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Day by day is a bit overkill, 4 groups would be enough. Just arrived (Not yet tested), Rest of first week, Start of 2nd week, Passed 2nd test and about to be released. With particular attention to keeping the about to be released lot away from everybody else, which could be encouraged by telling them that if they mix with the other groups they get to join that group.. ie, they don't get released and have to get another test and more time locked up.

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Well, they are able to stop people moving around, but the appropriate people ie police are the only ones who can enforce such restrictions. Unfortunately, having such people at the various quarantine facilities means fewer on the street. We have to be careful to operate according to the law or the whole thing could become completely chaotic.
Damned if you do, damned if you bloody don't

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Yes it is. But silence, at least as much as it can be maintained, may work in our favour and help us to remain neutral. But there will come a time when there is the need for some some push back on China. As to DCs call for Raymond Huo and Jian Yang to explain our independence to China - what are the chances? I would like to think Mr Huo would do that as he has seen the excesses of the revolutionary fervour, and its damaging impacts first hand, But Mr Yang? I think he would more likely tell the CCP that NZ remains vulnerable. However i would hope that he also tells them that if pushed, we will jump towards our cultural past and not towards a new Asian future.

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They are nothing more than lobbyists for the CP

I would like questions asked in the upcoming debates about each parties views on Hong Kong, investigations into the coronavirus otbreak, human rights abuses of Uighurs, the independance of Taiwan and whether Jiang and Ho share their views.

Of course you would never get an answer because Adern and Muller are to weak and always looking to pander to China

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One must remember that China is not only trying to dictate Australia but also Canada, UK, US, Europe besides its 14 neighbours, so the only way for NZ to stay neutral is by accepting China as tgeir master and follow their dictat which national party and its supporters will be too happy to do for money = Rock Star Economy and who cares about siding with a rouge state run by dictator.

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@richard1965 , I have been banging on endlessly about China on this forum for many years now , as the record will show .

WE MUST DIVERSIFY , our reliance on China as a trade partner is likely to become our Achilles heel

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MortgageBelt
Re: "Getting more difficult for NZ to stay ‘neutral’ on China issues."
I hope that we can keep an open and balanced mind on the growing tensions and geopolitical issues with China.
I have posted on Chinese expansion of influence (such as in Kiribati and the Pacific) and I am fully aware of human rights issues in China.
However, lets not forget that this is simply not one-sided as your comment suggests.
Last month we had reports of show of force by US carriers in the South China Sea - I wonder how US would react to Chinese navy conducting a show of force off Venice Beach.
I also read comments that we can't trust Xi Jinping - well, I find it very difficult to trust the lying, manipulating and idiotic disinfectant Trump.
As there are human rights issues in China - equally all is not rosy in the US as recent events have shown.
Those that live in glasshouses . . . .

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The same South China sea where China has invaded Philippine territory and threatens Taiwan?

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Rick
Same US that tried invading Cuba . . . Same CIA that has been heavily involved in propping up dictators and corruption . . . Same US that cold shouldered us because we wouldn’t accept nuclear armed or powered warships . . . Same US that lied and invaded Iraq . . . Same US . . .

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Well, certainly good to know past imperial behaviour justifies present and future imperial behaviour. Good to teach the kids that "She did it first!" is a legitimate argument.

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Rick
Never said I thought that China's behaviour is appropriate and never have thought that USA actions especially in SE Asia (especially Laos and Cambodia) and Middle East have been appropriate.
Just need to ensure one doesn't become very much one-eyed which seems to be the case.
Maybe China is currently feeling constrained by unfair restricted limitations of spheres of influence being place on it by US and the West - just like Japan in the late thirties.
Maybe rather than being one-eye and accusing, we need to look at the issue in a balanced way and maybe recognise that China may have some validity in some of its concerns.
However, clearly all of China's behaviours - especially related to human rights are not appropriate - but they are not alone in that.

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Two eyes are indeed always necessary, and historical examples of imperialism, race-based nationalism and mistreatment of other undesirables abound. The USA has rightly received abundant criticism for its own imperialism.

How do you think the West is unfairly restricting spheres of influence? The International Court ruling against China's made up claims re the Spratley Islands? Suggesting that ethnic cleansing is not a great idea?

The examples you posted of a past empire misbehaving don't really go in to unfair treatment of China, and seem to imply excusing them doing the same.

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There's a long way to go before the November election, US unemployment is likely to get worse if Trump continues to do nothing about stopping the coronavirus.

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that's part of the problem, we all expect someone else to fix it for us. We could just wear a mask, wash our hands and social distance, instead of looking for someone to blame.

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It's pretty obvious that appropriate leadership that encourages and exhorts people to do those things is more effective than just expecting people to do those things while the leadership is simultaneously saying it doesn't matter.

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Both US parties are failing in that concern. There is no one to run it.

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The democrats aren't in power and don't have the power of the state.

That's like saying it's also National's responsibility to run the quarantine facilities and since people have broken out of them, blame National.

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That's not the correct way to look at it. NZ isn't set up like the States. Mayors / Governors etc in the States had a part to play and failed. The Democrat Mayor of NY is a shining example of how both parties failed.
The US spouts off that China did not control this but it beyond reasonable doubt that the US knew exactally what was coming from it's extensive spy and satellite systems. It was clear from the start that it was bad and they all failed, not one person.

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Too late, cannot be stopped. You cannot control all the people in all of this country. Once it was in and domestic travel continued inter state, it was up,up and away. Remember, as someone posted here ages ago, all the protesters, encouraged by Trump, we have a god given right to go out and get infected.

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Or the vastly greater number of BLM protesters encouraged by the Dem's and the inactivity of Democratic mayors as well but somehow that somehow is swept under the carpet.
The US is fragmented and neither side is effectual or willing to work with the other. They have made their own bed collectively.

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Lyndon B. Johnson, Rupert Murdoch and the like seem to embody a common exploitation of weaponised information and sowing of division for political gain:

“I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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The US is a fragmented mess, they can not agree on anything and the only way for them is to cross their fingers and hope like hell for a vaccine or it somehow dies out like some of the 'studies' show.

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And as pointed out, some support payments are going to run out soon. Then the real fireworks will start. SPX looking ripe for a dump, that will be the dip im holding my cash for.

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One more major death throw of markets up and gold down attempt to control and it's all down hill from there.

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I wholeheartedly applaud Australia for being outspoken about China. They are exposing the blackmailing, bullying and highly untrustworthy communists that they really are.
New Zealand should be very carefully questioning where we want to go with this relationship. If we want to protect our sovereignty and feel free to stand up for our values and speak our mind we simply can’t get cosier with China. That has become blatantly apparent in this disgusting Aussie-China scrap.
Just think of how many of us Kiwis and Aussies flew through Hong Kong en-route to Europe (as I did) last year. Now Aussies run the risk of being detained on that journey, just like those poor Canadians were, for no good reason other than to “send a message”. Truly frightening!

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Yes well done to Australia, unfortunately China will find ways to hurt them economically as tit for tat. NZ should disengage where possible, but don't make a song and dance about it - that will just result in economic sanctions against us from China.

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“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” — Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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Chairman Mao “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” Little Red Book updated to read, “ first infiltration, second subversion, third subjugation.”

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Pity those of us expressing concern at the machinations of the CCP all those years ago were not listened to. I will grant that under previous leadership and even the early days of the present one, China did appear to be opening up, but many of us held a great deal of concern at the involvement of their government in likely all of the companies and possibly individuals buying up companies and real estate around the world.
Trade was fine, infiltration into every aspect of business and advancing vertical integration was concerning, even when the Crafar Farms were sold. It was as plain as the nose on your face that was a "foot in the door" exercise, given the OTT money that was shelled out for them.
Can't say there is any real pleasure in saying "We told you so".

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Unfortunately, National and the commentariat in the likes of NBR spent years decrying any such comment as xenophobic, lest the ability to sell off pieces of NZ be affected.

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China has a lot of billionaires for a ‘communist’ country... Totalitarian might be a better label.

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There are a particularly large number of billionaires among the family and friends of Xi and Jintao before him. But they have Putin's problem. If they don't hold on to power they may lose all in criminal proceedings against them.

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Foyle. If you have a bit of spare time I suggest a look at Brill Browders book, Red Notice, on the corporate corruption of Putin and his mates.

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Just another opinion, of course.

Round about late March, we entered a Financial FantasyLand in which all the sins and excesses of rampant financialization were going to be painlessly washed away. The Fed would simply "print" as many trillions as needed to make everyone whole. Since it doesn't cost the Fed anything to digitally print endless trillions, this solution is completely, totally free.
But with the advent of Reporting Season, you are now leaving FantasyLand. The losses will be taken by somebody, and that somebody will be you.

(CH Smith)

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China plays by its own rules only in its pursuit of world governance.

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Is this cherry picking of region/ house to spin a news of booming Housing market as psychologically it creates FOMO for FHB in other parts of NZ, also where it may not be the case.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12…

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I grew up in HB. It is just too hot there now and the sun has a special harshness like no other I have experienced (I have traveled a lot), give it another 10 to 20 years and it'll empty out due to that.

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Surest trend in growth demographics is that people flock to the hottest sunniest parts of temperature countries like NZ. HB, Tauranga and Nelson will continue to grow, just as hot sunny southern states of USA are.

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We celebrate effectively having Co-vid under control and being community free.
However, to maintain this state necessitates closed borders, quarantine costs and considerable economic impacts and this status is very fragile and at very high risk.
Given the ongoing events in Australia, the chaos in the US, the booming infection rates in other countries such as India, Co-vid is not going away anytime soon so these controls and expenses are going to be with us for very much the long term.
The hope for Australian bubble is now pushed out and now even possibly uncertain. Borders being open globally are seemingly indefinitely or until there is a vaccine widely available or the virus life cycle passes.
This is the new norm well, well beyond this year and possibly next.

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I agree that travel bubbles are looking unlikely and the timetable on borders opening up seems to get pushed further and further out. I said to my ageing parents a couple of days ago that they may as well use the money they had set aside for overseas travel on other things to make themselves happy. I really cannot see them and others like them of that age (late 70s) being able to travel any time soon - a combination of the virus situation and exacerbated by their age.

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I saw a bunch of data job advertisements posted by Brisbane-based employers. Strangely, they included NZ permanent residents in the non-temporary cohort of potential applicants.
A bit of online searching and I found that Aussie immigration is willing to fast-track work visas for those on NZ PR as long as they fall under certain skill shortage criteria. Usually, genuinely skilled migrants would wait 5 years after becoming NZ residents before they crossed the ditch.

This should be a wake up call for NZ employers to try and retain more skilled workers or risk losing them permanently in the absence of migration.

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Australia is famously known as the US's 炮灰 in China.

炮灰 means ashes from firing a cannon literally.

You may understand it as the AUS (as well as others five eyes) is willingly to be used to defame and destabilise China. The outcome for the AUS will be an escalation in tension and cut off in trade with China.

But, the ultimate come is that much of reduced export from the AUS to China will eventually be substituted by the US once it suddenly turn favourably with China.

So, 炮灰 is really the sucker get nothing but damage from things that are not even its business.

LoL...

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Tedious pro CCP comments again.

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What do you say when someone here praises Trump?

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This guy lives here because he thinks the West is better than his old country. No doubt he actually hates his old country but to save face pretends he loves it. His old country now has to try and stop Hong Kong people leaving of their own accord. They effectively have to build a big wall to keep the masses in, just like the CCCP which also failed miserably. North Korea also has to keep people in by force. These communist states are that great that the government has to keep the walls shut or the masses would leave in droves. This bully state wants to expand its territory so even more people come under its control. Not for me thanks. The west should cut ties with this evil regime immediately. Lets see how great these tough little bully boys in the CCP are then.

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Glitzy. Or hilarious satire from a clever troll. Xing is a humorous daily treat on int.co. And nostalgia inducing - his or her writing style takes me back decades to when we were regularly treated in the media to comedically crude Soviet and Chinese propaganda statements on world events. This bourgeois capitalist roading reactionary can still recite a few party lines from those days.

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So Australia is the US's patsy? It's fairly obvious that is the case, but they are still a patsy with a bite. Don't be too confident that the US won't stand by Australia if things go bad.

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The more Xing posts his brainwashed comments, the more I hate the CCP.
Keep them coming Xing.

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Xing is getting desperate

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He will be getting called back for retraining in PR, or just sent to the gulag for making such a hash of his pro PR.

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While you are about it Mr X please translate into Chinese calligraphy the first three English words you were undoubtedly taught.
1 : infiltration. 2 : subversion. 3 : subjugation. much appreciated.

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@David Chaston

You’re sort of breaking the fourth wall re the two Chinese MPs. No place for such speculative bias in news stories/commentaries.
How can you possibly know what they relate back to China, if anything?
Sorry for the criticism, I admire interest.co.nz and contribute via press patron.

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as democratic representatives of an electorate, paid by the taxpayer there must be some responsibility to be accountable to the public?

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That’s not my point. I’m simply saying that news/commentary should not contain speculative bias. Opinion is fine, but it should be based on fact or a high level of probability. There Is no proof, or demonstratable probability, that the two MPs put Chinese interests ahead of New Zealand’s.

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well they should be interviewed and put their case , that's how the system works, or doesn't in this case.

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12347051

Jian's retiring from politics. Will be interesting to see what he does next.

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Guilty until proven innocent

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Pietro, as a fellow press patron I technically agree with you on one hand but on the other I rather enjoy Davids pithy asides. He fires them at all sides of the political spectrum and I think his iconic from the heart writing style and periodic acerbic throwaway lines are two of the features that help to make this site one of the best around. If I were to be nitpicking it'd be the boringly predicable sledging of the odious moron Trump, he's just too obviously an easy target.

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Just never question the banking technocracy or shine a light on their dynastic control over the west

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So now Woodhouse admits receiving private patient medical records from Boag. Does he alert the authorities? Of course not, apparently he just deletes them? How sick is this party?!

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It would be odd if a high ranking MP received such explosive, inappropriate information from someone as senior as Boag and didn’t inform a superior of such risky behaviour. Watch this space.

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Woodhouse is declaring now as enquiry is on and afraid that will come out soon so forced to declare now and is not on moral ground.

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Short memory syndrome. It was Woodhouse who blew the whistle on the bungling coalition management of quarantine facilities after two infected women were allowed out, forcing the govt to clean up its mess. If not for his intervention more travelling super spreaders would have been let loose and we'd now be dealing with disaster.

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That would have come out in the wash regardless of Woodhouse. The guy has lost any integrity he had by making up the homeless guy story and now not being forthcoming with the private information he was leaked. Muller has been found telling porkies too, stating today "I could have made myself more clearer" when asked to comment if anyone else in his party had been leaked patient details.

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Seems you have the short memory.

The government already knew about the breach.

Woodhouse withheld the information that they had met up with 'good samaritans' when they got lost (actually the people who loaned them the car) from the MoH and the government to use it for maximum political gain by dropping it during question time. He deliberately withheld important information about carriers of an infectious disease.

His 'intervention' didn't help anything, he deliberately hindered, and it could in fact have been his specific actions that resulted in community spread of the virus.

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"The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

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Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Britain should not quake before Xi Jinping: China has already peaked and faces economic stagnation

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/britain-should-not-quak…

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Reading the posts here, I see a great deal of righteous indignation over China's ever tightening grip on HK.

Of course, I too am sorry to see what is happening, but some context is appropriate. HK's status prior to 1997 only came about following China's defeat in the Opium Wars. I am not going to give anyone a history lesson, but this was one of the more shameful episodes of the British Empire. Under normal circumstances, HK would have remained an integral part of China.
How should we react now? Are we prepared to put our principles ahead of our economy particularly right now in the middle of an economic crisis? That's a big call for the government to make.

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Link. You are correct, having abolished slavery Britain continued a profoundly evil opium enslavement of china that triggered a 200 year decline which still influences chinese attitudes today. But it is ancient history. HK has been an independent territory since 1842 not an integral part of china. The same historical association argument could be made about numerous sovereign countries.

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I think Aussie should rather have dealt with the Chinese more behind the scenes instead of having a public spat.

Its going to affect us too .......... the Chinese will retaliate and possibly not buy aluminium or bauxite from Rio Tinto (Aus) , thus further impacting on Tiwhai

Its too late now , China has threatened to retaliate , and it will do so .

Its going to get awfully messy , and Australia is way too dependent on sales of Iron ore , bauxite and coal to China , not to mention beef . mutton , cotton, wheat and barley .

This will deepen any recession in Aussie , forcing commodity prices south

And China can buy it commodities from elsewhere or simply use its stockpiles or do without .

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So, you are saying that NZ must bow to china?
China is worst today than apparhied South Africa was, and yet NZ protested strongly against SA and does nothing to protest China's human rights violations?? etc, etc, etc
Com-on Boatman, row your boat

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Brilliant Missy !

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SA didn't have our balls in a vice like China does

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Where's Aussies Yellow Cake going? It'd be ironic if it is China.

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They can produce to their hearts content but if the populations of the west refuse to buy that is a different story.

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What - give up the materialist aquisitive society, for a principle? What are you - some sort of ideologue?

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A little financial pain now will be better than trying to close the stable door once the horse has bolted.

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For Xingmowang

Must watch

https://youtu.be/ZkFv2cB5_XA

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