Crown to buy land at Ihumātao from Fletchers for $29.9 million

Settlement reached over Ihumātao: Crown to buy land from Fletchers for $29.9 million, Kīngitanga to provide guidance over its future

17th Dec 20, 12:01pm by Jenée Tibshraeny

Image sourced from Wikimedia Commons

The Crown has agreed to buy the land at Ihumātao in Mangere from Fletcher Building for $29.9 million.

The transaction is taking place outside of the Treaty of Waitangi settlement process.

The 33 hectares of land may be used for housing, heritage and conservation purposes.

The roles of the Crown, Kīngitanga and Auckland Council in deciding exactly what happens to the land has been outlined in a Memorandum of Understanding signed by all three parties.

A “steering committee” made up of three Ahi Kaa representatives supported by the Kīngitanga, one representative for the Kīngitanga and two representatives for the Crown will guide decision-making around the land. An Auckland Council representative will be allowed to attend meetings as an observer.

Fletchers bought the land in 2014 for $19 million. Its plans to build 480 homes on the land were met with opposition by those who sought to protect its heritage. Fletchers said selling the land for $29.9 million would "broadly" see it break-even.

Kīngitanga spokesman Rahui Papa said: “After more than 160 years of alienation from Ihumātao, the descendants of the original owners will be reconnected with their whenua.”

Papa said the Kīngitanga’s intervention brought a “tikanga-based approach” to the discussions and gave the parties the time to develop a “by Māori for Māori” solution.

He characterised the deal as meaning: "The Crown will now hold the land on trust while a Kīngitanga-led process is undertaken to decide the Ahi Kaa status of parties who claim a connection to the whenua.

"Those parties will consult with whaanau and tribal members on the future of the whenua, which may be used for housing, heritage, and conservation purposes.

"Meanwhile, Auckland Council will play a role in the care and maintenance of the land."

Housing Minister Megan Woods said the form of housing to be built on the land will be agreed by the signatories of the Memorandum of Understanding, and could include Papakainga housing, housing for mana whenua and some public housing.

“It will be a sensitive development that recognises the special characteristics of the land,” Woods said, without indicating roughly how many houses may be built on the land.

“There is a need for housing to support kaumatua and kuia of this place and this agreement recognises that.”

Finance Minister Grant Robertson said: “We acknowledge the decision, by Heritage New Zealand to extend the classification in regard to this land, will have some impact on what happens.

“Alongside housing, the parties want to use some of the land to provide better recognition of the cultural and heritage values associated with Ihumātao.”

Fletcher Building CEO Ross Taylor said: “We thank the Government for the pragmatic way they have approached this process. It hasn’t been easy, and we acknowledge their role.

“We also acknowledge the iwi who we engaged with throughout the consenting and proposed master planning of the land. Any plans for the land are now a matter for the Crown and Kīngitanga."

National: Govt 'meddling in private property rights'

National's Finance Spokesperson Michael Woodhouse said: “The Prime Minister should never have involved herself in the Ihumātao dispute and taxpayers shouldn’t bailing her out now.

“[The deal] will call all full and final treaty settlements into question and set a dangerous precedent for other land occupations, like the one at Wellington’s Shelly Bay.

“More than 20,000 Kiwi families are on the waiting list for a home this Christmas. The Government should not be spending $30 million on stopping 480 much-needed houses from being built right now."

Greens: Crown had a 'moral obligation' to buy the land

Green Party Co-leader Marama Davidson said: “I am hopeful that this process can go some way to healing the pain caused by the wrongful confiscation of this land from mana whenua in 1863.

“The Crown has a moral obligation to fund the purchase of this land today, given it dispossessed the mana whenua of this land in the first place.

“We cannot have true justice today, or purport to care about property rights, unless we acknowledge our history and the injustice of past land confiscations.”

ACT: Ardern's 'worst decision as PM'

ACT leader David Seymour said: “Buying Fletcher Building out of Ihumatao has formalised Jacinda Ardern’s worst decision as Prime Minister.

“It is the equivalent of the US President siding with Antifa over the businesses they vandalise.

“It’s now clear, if you own land and someone squats on it, the Prime Minister won’t defend your property rights, she’ll use taxpayers’ money to buy the land off you.

“In the case of Ihumatao, it’s apparently okay because future housing on the site will be ‘a sensitive development that recognises the special characteristics of the land.’

“Perversely, that precisely describes what Fletcher Building went through years of consultation and design with mandated iwi to try and deliver.

“It will be a miracle if this hotchpotch of an arrangement ever builds any houses, given this Government’s track record."

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133 Comments

by puketepapa | 17th Dec 20, 12:10pm 1608160251

Wait for the other shoe to drop. More to come.
Who is going to pay for the subdivision infrastructure, roading, 3 waters, power

by waymad | 17th Dec 20, 1:51pm 1608166300

Find a mirror.....

by WellingtonInvestor | 17th Dec 20, 2:50pm 1608169844

Same same person who actually purchased and paid for the land. eg The taxpayer

by SpaceBoy | 17th Dec 20, 4:11pm 1608174703

Kianga Ora//// the good taxpayers.

by murray86 | 17th Dec 20, 12:21pm 1608160914

I think this is, so far, a reasonable result. i struggle to understand why someone, somewhen considered that it was acceptable to privatise the ownership of the land considering what is on it.

by GV 27 | 17th Dec 20, 1:00pm 1608163246

The thing I've never been clear on was whether this was the sensitive land or next to it. Granted the whole area is probably very sensitive, but there was a lot of confusion around whether it was the reserve or land adjacent to it that was being developed.

by Kate | 17th Dec 20, 8:26pm 1608189992

The land is adjacent to the Stonefields Reserve. The Manukau CC was in the process of incorporating it as part of the reserve given Heritage NZ had recognised it as sensitive. But then the Super City happened, and that intent was forgotten or dropped, not sure. Subsequently, via a (suspect/questionable) fast-tracked Special Housing Area designation process, the land suddenly had tremendous commercial value and Fletchers bought it from the intergenerational caretaker family.

by Foxglove. | 17th Dec 20, 2:50pm 1608169847

Muz, think the recipient(s) of the $19 mill Fletchers paid out in 2014 should answer that question!

by dago | 17th Dec 20, 12:37pm 1608161866

This country is screwed.

by Beanie | 17th Dec 20, 12:57pm 1608163042

No, it is the taxpayers that got screwed. Unless they are also a Fletcher shareholder or one of the many snouts that will be feeding off this.

by Advisor | 17th Dec 20, 1:18pm 1608164301

It's not a complete screwjob - Housing Minister Megan Woods said all sides had committed there would be some housing on the land, alongside some kind of conservation.

Taxpayers get some and some in return for paying a large sum!

by FCM | 17th Dec 20, 2:51pm 1608169897

They already started the roll out to put housing on it, did you not see the tents, all for the bargin entry level price of $550k, now that's affordable in AKL.

by rastus1 | 17th Dec 20, 12:55pm 1608162921

Considering how well Maori didn't do during the great NZ land grab, I do not get worked up when a few decimal points of wealth is recovered on their behalf.

It pales into insignificance compared to the present day land grab by foreign buying - championed by the hypocritical Nat supporters.

by Sentinel | 17th Dec 20, 9:47pm 1608194830

How can you talk blame "present day land grabs" on National when Labour have been in power for nearly 4 years? How do you know which way land owners vote, I don't recall being asked my political affiliation last time I applied for a mortgage.. And please, how are foreigners buying up land given that there is some form of foreign buyers ban (which randomly excludes Australia and Singapore). Please enlighten us.

by Pietro | 18th Dec 20, 9:02am 1608235348

Real estate agents and lawyers will tell you that many homes are still being bought foreign investors using proxy buyers.

by EdwardD | 17th Dec 20, 12:56pm 1608163019

Shelly Bay will be next. So when is a Sales Agreement not a Sales Agreement? My g-g-grandfather had some amazing land, but sadly he sold it off, for what in those times was a fair deal. I'd like it back.

by Henry_Tull | 17th Dec 20, 2:23pm 1608168205

Treaty, bottle, genie.

by Te Kooti | 17th Dec 20, 3:02pm 1608170532

I think you'll find that if you were to, hypothetically say, steal a car and then and then on-sell it, the purchaser doesn't have clear title.

by Philby | 17th Dec 20, 4:25pm 1608175536

But Fletchers paid for this land, it was not stolen. So your statement doesn’t fit. It suggests that no matter what compensation Maori receive some members of the tribe want to renegotiate. And this Government says why not, as they have no backbone to say no. More renegotiations are coming.

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 4:33pm 1608176039

The. land. was. stolen.
Please scroll down to Kate's comment, click on the link and read the article

by Philby | 17th Dec 20, 4:58pm 1608177505

Not by the Wallace family they were given it by the Crown. From nzgeo.
“ More than 400 hectares of land at Ihumātao was confiscated by the Crown, as punishment for the community’s allegiance to the King movement, and given to a handful of settler families. One of those was the Wallaces.”
So was the Crown’s action illegal is the issue.

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 5:05pm 1608177907

Let's face it, the Crown's actions would be spurious at the very least, and as for the Wallace family, they knew how they gained from this, no excuses

by EdwardD | 17th Dec 20, 5:14pm 1608178456

Absolutely - compensation was made so a deal should have been a deal

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 4:10pm 1608174645

Heading back to Auckland frequently and thinking I need a bach (crib) there.
Spotted a great piece of grass around Bastion point. Great sea views. Could whack up a shack, some flags and stuff. Move in.
As for the land ownership thing it's clear the Labour government will buy it for me. Best if all Ardern won't even visit. Magic.

by SpaceBoy | 17th Dec 20, 4:12pm 1608174755

Already been claimed, you will have to move along to a new chunk of dirt.

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 9:01pm 1608192090

Spaceboy. It's a reclaim. Apparently thats how it's done these days.

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 4:49pm 1608176974

Had a second thought for my Auckland bach site. That big lawn at Government House Mountain Road. Close to town and also green and leafy.
Build the shack there. Few banners etc. PM will transfer the land.
Patsy might drop in quite likely, but the bonus is the PM certainly won't.. Magic.

by dcnbwz | 17th Dec 20, 8:41pm 1608190881

Sounds like a pretty racist comment to me.

by Firstclass | 18th Dec 20, 5:41pm 1608266500

Is it racist or just honest ?

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 2:18pm 1608167914

Am I the only person who has commented that one family pocketed about $19mill when the land was sold (against all good advice and recommendations in 2014 that either or both of the govt and council ignored) after they had use of it after being GIVEN it, back when it was stolen.
Yes, there are lots of wrongs that we have to face up to, and it may well be costly to do so.
This is a case where the law was an ass.

by RickStrauss | 17th Dec 20, 2:22pm 1608168169

Wow, that's doing pretty well from selling stolen goods...?

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 4:18pm 1608175089

Yes, the entire focus seems to be on iwi wanting their land back and nothing on the family that scored from the whole rotten process. If that isn't racism I don't know what is.

by Te Kooti | 17th Dec 20, 5:27pm 1608179270

You give me hope PA.

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 3:10pm 1608171007

Pocket. Ownership was sorted years ago. Disputes were settled. Then somebody who disagreed just turned up and demanded.
Just says to me there was no point in trying to settle.

by EdwardD | 17th Dec 20, 3:29pm 1608172189

Yes, that's how i saw it. Agreement signed off, payment made and then another group didn't like the deal. This opens up a big can of worms.

by Kate | 17th Dec 20, 4:33pm 1608175991

It's not a matter of 'how you saw it' - rather it is how it actually happened that matters.

by sit23 | 17th Dec 20, 6:02pm 1608181350

Kate, how about refuting other's arguments? Please explain the errors in what they said.

by Kate | 17th Dec 20, 7:56pm 1608188215

See the link I posted below.

by imhenry | 18th Dec 20, 4:11pm 1608261098

This is a Koha payment. They will be back for more.
Thru history many people have been cheated by the system, how about Pakaha getting some retribution. NO WAY HOSA

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 4:05pm 1608174314

It wasn't really. It was only 2014 when Fletchers sought to buy the land, and it was recommended that should not happen.
The people who have fought for this did not "just turn up and demand", just because you had no knowledge of what was going on for years, does not mean it wasn't/.
This had to happen and I am glad it has, and yes, there are STILL wrongs to be righted, that's what happens eventually

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 4:16pm 1608175002

Yes Pocket. We know you don't like the settlement made - but it was made. You should not disrespect that.
Even Mr Trump seems likely to respect a recent decision. Can you?

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 4:23pm 1608175408

Not if it was the wrong decision, and clearly it was not made with full consensus. That IS significant land and we should have ALL wanted it to have been treated as such.
Again, I ask, how come the family that scored $19mill from stolen land, please don't try and tell me they had no idea how it came to be theirs, that they had no conscience about it.

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 4:51pm 1608177092

So Pocket, one step down from Trumpy then.

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 5:06pm 1608178001

Whatever blows your hair back, about the very last thing I could see Trump doing would be righting historical rights for Native Americans, so this is only your perception

by sit23 | 17th Dec 20, 6:04pm 1608181493

I would be more interested in Trumpie actually righting their historical wrongs. Sleepy Joe would do it, but Hunter has to give him his usual 10% cut.

by puketepapa | 17th Dec 20, 5:05pm 1608177914

The land was confiscated by Govenor Grey who then gifted it free to the Wallace Settlers who then enjoyed the use of it for 150 years

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 6:17pm 1608182233

Any background as to why Grey confiscated the land? The narrative seems to be it was confiscated due to the original owners allegiance to the Kingitanga separatist movement - a movement the colonials were at war with.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 6:33am 1608226400

That's probably one of the options you'd take up when you began to see treaty breaches before the ink on it was barely dry

by Hook | 18th Dec 20, 6:51am 1608227490

It may well have been an option but history would tend to indicate it wasn't a very good one

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 4:32pm 1608175955

And can I ask that you take one lens out and replace it with one that show a more Maori perspective, in order that you try to understand.

by KH | 17th Dec 20, 4:53pm 1608177238

Pocket. Are you saying Maori can't ever settle? What a terrible thing to say.

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 5:07pm 1608178063

No, you said that, without so much as a nod to the Maori perspective. Spin it all you like.

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 5:31pm 1608179465

Tell you what Pocket - how about all the questionable sales done over 150 years ago were reversed and the original owners hand back all the muskets, ammo and powder and in some cases gold. Then we can reset the clock back to 1860 and start again. would that make you happier??

by Te Kooti | 17th Dec 20, 5:45pm 1608180327

In a heartbeat.

by sit23 | 17th Dec 20, 6:07pm 1608181644

Set the clock back to 1830 when a different tribe possessed Ihumatao. or 1800 when another one possessed it. Or 1770 when yet another possessed it. And so on.

by Te Kooti | 17th Dec 20, 7:22pm 1608186169

You're ignorance is breath-taking, gold-standard.

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 6:26pm 1608182809

Then you'ld have to allow compensation to the descendants of the victims of said musket sales which would be vested against the perpetrators. Be careful of which can of worms you open Te Kooti, open one - open all.

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 6:15pm 1608182117

There was no sale of this land till 2014, and that was advised against

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 6:28pm 1608182912

It would have been sold anyway. The Wallace family were exiting farming and the land had been designated a SHA (an admittedly dubious decision given it's historical significance). Maybe the SHA decision should have more scrutiny, had that designation not been passed this squabble may not have happened

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 6:45pm 1608183945

Lots of wrongdoing, but only those who had the wrongs perpetrated against them being criticized (to put it mildly)

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 7:12pm 1608185575

Actually Pocket, I'll think you'll find most of the angst is directed at the Govt. Unfortunately the argument is being lost in the noise coming from ill informed or biased camps.
Imv, an adult discussion would start with why the land was confiscated in the first place and what were the grounds and evidence to support it or refute it. If the land was wrongfully confiscated - it should go back to the original owners. If it was legitimately confiscated - all bets are off and the land stays with Fletchers

by Kate | 17th Dec 20, 4:22pm 1608175353

Quite right - as always, wonderful reporting by NZ Geographic for those interested;

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/when-worlds-collide-2/

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 7:28pm 1608186483

Kate that reporting is NOT by NZ Geographic Society - it's by NZGeo - completely different. I'd thought someone who purports to be an analytical thinker would have noticed that.
"New to NZGeo? We're a family-owned media company focusing on New Zealand's society and environment."
Another partisan organisation with a biased or slanted agenda - thought you were better than that

by Kate | 17th Dec 20, 8:07pm 1608188836

I didn't say NZ Geographic Society - I said NZ Geographic and I know its a commercial magazine.

Sheesh - read slower, calm down.

by npc | 18th Dec 20, 11:21am 1608243676

Very insightful. What a tragedy.

by Brutus Iscariot | 17th Dec 20, 2:13pm 1608167603

Major can of worms. Give an inch...

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 2:17pm 1608167864

Yeah, just take your inches.

by donny11 | 17th Dec 20, 3:36pm 1608172561

I agree, horrible precedent IMHO.

by SpaceBoy | 17th Dec 20, 4:10pm 1608174644

Crown will cover other 2 parties reasonable costs, so over 5 years add another $10 million.
But, will occupation and squatting still be allowed?

by Whatwillhappen | 18th Dec 20, 8:55am 1608234902

Two wrongs make a right? What if the government's deal stands, but also the squatters pay rent / pay the price of illegal activity. Fewer people would cry foul then

by CWBW | 17th Dec 20, 4:37pm 1608176242

That's 57% hard earned profit by Fletcher. There won't be any houses being built there unless the taxpayers are willing to pay another few millions to appease the mana. The whole settlement thing in the country is a joke. You can settle today and tomorrow they come back asking for more and the cycle runs for eternity. Hardworking tax payers trying to do the right thing are really the ones being robbed and have their lives stolen by the robbers playing the victims.

by CrispyKahawai | 18th Dec 20, 7:39am 1608230394

hArD wORkINg TAxpAYers.

The cry of the racist boomer.

by Fritz | 17th Dec 20, 5:37pm 1608179840

Good. The right decision and it should mean some housing for those desperately in need.

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 6:12pm 1608181949

So like the original Fletchers plan then? The one agreed with the actual inhabitants and Kaumatua of Ihumatao?

by AKLCrusader | 18th Dec 20, 12:19pm 1608247143

The purchase under the housing act was only to try and avoid challenges in a government described housing crisis.
My bet is few houses ever turn up - although more chance if Labour aren't responsible - but Cindy will be long gone before the depth of this lie is fully exposed. I note that government only have 1/3 of the participants in the steering group.
The fact that Labour released this at the Christmas Break, and at the same time as a possible vaccine purchase and distribution to break the news cycle shows just how cynical their communications are.v(just like the AU bubble announcement to break Mallards totally unacceptable BS)
This government is disappearing up their own PR backside. Sadly NZ voters lap it up......

by Henry_Tull | 17th Dec 20, 6:36pm 1608183368

Poor old Megan Woods being big sister in fronting this, this to fix the PMs mess.

The issues lost on the Socialist PM is the Rule of Law and Property Rights.

If there were an injustice, the Courts should have been the place to decide fact.

The other tell for the Socialists is cronyism and crony capitalism.

No one needs or deserves Christmas gifts like these.

by PocketAces | 17th Dec 20, 6:47pm 1608184045

Cronyism 101, confiscate land from the indigenous peoples, hand it over to your cronies, gratis

by Davo3636 | 17th Dec 20, 7:04pm 1608185046

But it was ALL stolen in one way or another. We can't hand it all back, it just can't be done. So why is this bit different to any other?

by Whatwillhappen | 18th Dec 20, 8:57am 1608235072

Some was sold legitimately. The early deals were legitimate by the settler government, albeit at criminally low prices. It was when the appearance of buying the land was abandoned or when Māori were made to create individual titles for their communally owned land when the real trouble began.

by Henry_Tull | 17th Dec 20, 7:21pm 1608186073

PA, as if Fletcher were willing sellers.....

by Hook | 17th Dec 20, 7:33pm 1608186782

Change the record PA - it's worn

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 6:35am 1608226558

I could say exactly the same to all of you

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 8:09am 1608232153

Pocket. My family were involved in those areas in those days. The horror is remembered. eg. There was the story of the dead Maori at Patamahoe.
Long story short Pocket your ideas of 'stolen' is one sided self serving fantasy.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 1:02pm 1608249771

Patumahoe

by Te Kooti | 18th Dec 20, 1:53pm 1608252806

They were so involved, you can't even spell it.

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 2:41pm 1608255673

Ah. Te Kooti. The criminal you name yourself after (Te Kooti 1) led the murder of 50 plus people at Matawhero. And you have said they deserved it.
Babies were clubbed in their cots.
Shall we respect your views?

by Te Kooti | 18th Dec 20, 6:48pm 1608270515

They imprisoned him to die on the Chathams and stole his land, he considered them the enemy and that was that - utu. Would I say it was his finest hour, probably not. However he is deeply entrenched in the mythology of the East Cape - including the Ringatu faith.

You can respect my views or not, I really couldn't care less.

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 7:09pm 1608271775

Te Kooti - I think you just offered a justification for clubbing babies in their cot.

by Davo3636 | 17th Dec 20, 7:03pm 1608185002

Be kind. Hugs and kisses.

by Officebound | 17th Dec 20, 7:28pm 1608186530

A great result!

- Maori will get more influence on the outcomes, not a perfect result, but better.
- At that rate, Government should break even on this (could be hugely profitable, but it's government)

And this is really created by Fletchers coming to the table, selling for a near break-even rate, when it's potentially worth 3-10 times that much as a commercial interest.

So who lost here aside from Fletcher shareholders? And if noone lost, why are people moaning?

by Kate | 17th Dec 20, 8:09pm 1608188988

Why are people moaning - because they are ill informed.

by Beanie | 17th Dec 20, 9:34pm 1608194076

"Why are people moaning" - another possible explanation is that they are ordinary people who have done nothing wrong yet are footing the cost to pay out to others who had the misfortune of wrongdoing done to their ancestors 150 years ago. The fairness of this can be debated either way.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 6:41am 1608226894

In my lifetime or at least not long before it began, Maori land was still being TAKEN for public works.
Have you ever wondered when driving on plain land where there is not so much as a pile of dirt as far as the eye can see, why the road is not straight, makes all sorts of odd twists and turns. Much of that is because the road lurches from ex Maori land to ex Maori land, which not too long ago, was still able to be acquired for public works without compensation.
Did you ever know a Maori returned serviceman who owned a farm gained through ballots after the war? Or how that land came to be available for such ballots in the first place?
Treaty breaches were many, probably to the point it should have been ripped up, and everything returned to Maori. That is the most moral of positions, we all know that is never going to happen now, but that is the point at which we need to begin our discussions, not the other end.

by donny11 | 18th Dec 20, 6:03am 1608224616

Kate. As a taxpayer why should I pay for this? As full irish, I have 0% to do with the people who confiscated the land initially. To me this is the equivalent of me trying to claim reparations for the potato famine. It is a rort, you people live in a dream world.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 6:42am 1608226937

Maori could make that same argument themselves, they are taxpayers as well.

by puketepapa | 18th Dec 20, 7:13am 1608228786

Had you done your research and due diligence you would have known of the ongoing grievances and the Treaty of Waitangi and the ToW Commission and the settlements entered into over the past 30 years - When did you arrive ? - ignorance as they say is no excuse

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 8:37am 1608233831

Puketepapa. Thats been my point in this discussion. There was a settlement in this issue, but some choose to disregard that.
Settlements usually involve somebody being unhappy. Often it's all parties.
I have seen settlements. eg the price paid for a house where both parties have felt robbed. But the settlement sets the stake in the ground.
There was a settlement here - signed on the actual land. Should have been respected.

by donny11 | 18th Dec 20, 10:12am 1608239532

Exactly the Waitangi process isn't perfect. But all things considered it's probably the best solution to a shitty situation. I just believe that this should be the one stop shop for settlement of historical wrongs committed on the maori people. Once all IWI have settled then we should move forwards as one people. Long term Kate sort of settlements outside of the Waitangi process will create division & bitterness in this country.

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 10:39am 1608241173

That was Winston Peters' point, that this could set a precedent to re-open past settlements. What we all need to understand is that so far, the total cost of all settlements since 1985 (the year that allowed for past grievances to be considered) under the Treaty, equate to 2.2 billion - only slightly more than NZ First were given for regional development via the Provincial Growth Fund during the last term of government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104205997/the-amount-allocated-to-trea….

One of the legal rules/framework regarding settlements for past grievances (and which is still law today) is that private land cannot be considered as part of settlements. When local iwi/hapu settled their claim, the Wallace block would have been off the table - i.e., unable to be considered as part of their compensation under the Treaty. And just because it was off the table does not make it any less significant for tangata whenua or for our collective history.

Our very first National Park was Tongariro - gifted to the Crown by iwi in order to preserve it forever for all NZers;

The mountain summits are of great significance to the local Māori. In 1886 in order to prevent the selling of the mountains to European settlers, the local Ngati Tuwharetoa iwi had the mountains surveyed in the Native Land Court and then set aside (whakatapua) as a reserve in the names of certain chiefs one of whom was Te Heuheu Tukino IV (Horonuku), the most significant chief of the Māori Ngati Tuwharetoa iwi. Later the peaks of Mount Tongariro, Mount Ngauruhoe, and parts of Mount Ruapehu, were conveyed to The Crown on 23 September 1887, on condition that a protected area was established there.

I view the Stonefields/Ihumāto area as equally as precious as our other National Parks to our collective history and heritage. Māori agriculturalists grew crops that fed much of the Auckland area in the early years of colonisation. It is an area that should rightfully be preserved. That the right thing happened outside of the Waitangi process is understandable - as the law would not have allowed it to happen under the Waitangi process.

by SmoKey | 18th Dec 20, 11:43am 1608245001

Seems like we have a way to go in settling past harms. Hope it happens smoothly without dividing the country or the populace. This may be a good start. Nothing is going to be perfect and satisfy all parties, but they will come around.

by AKLCrusader | 18th Dec 20, 12:54pm 1608249263

Your comments are a distraction, regardless of the actual cost of settlements so far, they have had settlements made.

This land was off the table at settlement time, and yet a settlement was made to encompass a variety of hurts. The land never actually left private ownership..........until now, when Labour used some fanciful description to get Cindy off the hook because she intervened without being competent enough to realise the potential implications of that intervention.

Every single treaty claim can now be revisited outside the process, because the government can buy the land if somebody protests or occupies land. That is the precedent now created by Ardern. This situation will be revisited many times - we should name it then - The Ardernification of our country

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 2:46pm 1608255985

Kate. Summary of your view is nothing can be settled.

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 4:25pm 1608261919

Think of 'settled' in the framework of a partnership. Is everything you do throughout your journey together as a partnership ever settled? Certainly most partnerships grow, mature and flourish in their understanding of one another's wants, needs and aspirations over time. At least that is my view of most elderly couples with a lasting relationship - they are never happier than they are in their final years together.

Māori have most certainly come to understand and live with European culture; the notion of private property rights; rule of law, etc. and now it's the turn of tauiwi to come to understand Māori culture equally as intimately and impactfully.

Think grow not settle.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 5:24pm 1608265451

*Bump*

by PocketAces | 19th Dec 20, 9:22am 1608322948

The most eye opening comparison to the amount paid out to Maori in compensation was only about equal (maybe even less) to the amount shelled out to South Canterbury Finance investors when that went "you know whats" up. Sobering

by Kate | 19th Dec 20, 5:38pm 1608352696

Yes.

by GV 27 | 18th Dec 20, 7:10am 1608228636

by puketepapa | 18th Dec 20, 7:24am 1608229440

To settle this dispute the Government paid $29,000,000
Ihumatao land size is 32 hectares or 320,000 square metres
That's $90 per square metre - un-developed
Looks to be a reasonable deal

by Flying high | 18th Dec 20, 8:02am 1608231766

Was there more land than just 32 hectares something like 400 hectares. What happened to the other 370 approx hectares does fletcher building still own some of it or maybe not.

by CrispyKahawai | 18th Dec 20, 7:43am 1608230587

Comments section is akin to Stuff.co.nz the minute there are any disputes involving Māori: a culture/demographic that have suffered by almost any metric since the mid 19th century.

by Roger the dodger | 18th Dec 20, 9:56am 1608238560

Does this fix anything, really? In 100 years time will Maori be any better off?

This decision looks like a knee jerk reaction and only a short term fix for a small group. I think that is what irritates people.

Where is the long term vision, and from that vision where is the plan?

by nigelh | 18th Dec 20, 8:11am 1608232319

From Kate NZGeo.com article "In 1863, the land was illegally confiscated from Māori....." Now was it it illegal? From Maoris perspective it was. From the Crown and the legislation at the time? I don't know. This appears to me me to be something that was for a Waitangi Trubunal hearing brought by the relevant tribe/s. Why wasn't it? The Maori tribes are pretty sharp on this.
No one has elaborated on this aspect but concentrated on Fletchers, the Wallaces and the current govt.

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 10:51am 1608241864

It was most certainly illegally acquired, stolen, confiscated. The Treaty provided for a willing buyer/willing seller relationship between the Crown and Māori. Essentially the Crown was given first-right-of-refusal when Māori chose to sell land. Problems arose after a short period of time (once Māori came to comprehend the European concept of land ownership), because Māori stopped being willing sellers. And hence illegal settlements began and the settler government started using force to police/protect the illegally acquired settler land settlements. Eventually this lead to the Kingitanga movement and the Māori Wars.

All the history is documented in the WT claim of the local iwi/hapu (the claim where the said land was off-the-table due to that being the law; no land in private title - no matter how that title was acquired - can be considered as part of settlements).

by SmoKey | 18th Dec 20, 11:44am 1608245091

Smacks of what happened in Israel. Did they learn from us ?

by Hook | 18th Dec 20, 5:42pm 1608266541

You haven't answered the question Kate. Was the land legally confiscated due to Ihumatao's original owners allegiance to the Kingitanga movement or was the reason for the confiscation a fabrication. Without digging through the WT decision, what was the background occurrences which led to Grey's confiscation?

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 6:57pm 1608271035

Here you go;

https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_68494556/Repor…

And a legal perspective/summary;

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/07/28/cabinet-has-every-right-t…

by Hook | 18th Dec 20, 7:23pm 1608272598

Kate those links have little or nothing (actually nothing) to do with the specificity regarding Ihumatao. They are more Orakei centric. My question was about the historic decisions regarding the initial confiscation at Ihumatao. The link I posted below alleges the Kingitanga movement was founded at Ihumatao in a meeting there around 1857 - right in the middle of the NZ Land Wars (1845-1872). If that's true then perhaps there was justification surrounding the confiscation.
The question I'm asking is why did Grey confiscate the land, was it justified (given the historical context) and did he have evidence to support the justification.

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 7:59pm 1608274779

In 1927, the Sim Royal Commission reported on the raupatu confiscations of Waikato lands under the New Zealand Settlements Act 1863, including south Auckland blocks designated as covering “Mangare, Pukaki, Ihumata and Kerikeri”.
It found the confiscations to have been “excessive” and recommended the payment of an annuity to a tribal trust board. That wasn’t implemented until the Waikato-Maniapoto Maori Claims Settlement Act 1946 provided for £5,000 per year to the Tainui Maori Trust Board for future education, health and suchlike purposes.

It’s obvious enough now that that settlement did not address the fundamental injustices of confiscating land from those who did not wish to sell it and some of whom fought in self-defence to try to retain it.

From my link - yours below is good as well. I really don't 'get' your question.

by Hook | 19th Dec 20, 3:12pm 1608343977

When you say you don't "get" my question - what part are you having difficulty with?

by TheTor | 18th Dec 20, 1:06pm 1608250017

If the government is retaining ownership of the land it has purchased why all the angst? It's not the first time private land has been purchased for public ownership, and given the history of the site it seems appropriate.

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 6:58pm 1608271102

Exactly.

by MLSmith1 | 18th Dec 20, 11:04pm 1608285856

Because they didn’t have to buy the land!
Ahhh... I guess it’s just another example of throwing paper money around for pet projects and acquiescing minorities then they turn around and say to general public good.... there’s not enough in the kitty for that this year!

by Te Kooti | 19th Dec 20, 10:00am 1608325230

Get used to it, there will be more. NZ is changing and I don't think you're going to enjoy it.

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 2:54pm 1608256475

Sold a house recently. Actually disappointed with the price we got. But whatever - move on. I am also hearing the buyer is complaining about the price "they made me pay".
Go figure.
Maybe I should just reoccupy it. Seems to be a legitimate action since just yesterday.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 3:09pm 1608257349

You really are going all out to display a certain level of ignorance, aren't you? Was the said sold to the government, and was it a forced sale? You seem to be deliberately missing a whole bunch of points.

by KH | 18th Dec 20, 3:42pm 1608259338

Pocket. No. The point was made about how settlements need to be respected. And settlements often include some parties or all being unhappy to some extent. And in the example we have been debating about the settlement has not been respected.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 5:22pm 1608265355

We are never going to agree on this and if you want to argue the toss about settlements, lets start with all the treaty violations after it was thought THAT was settled.

by Hook | 18th Dec 20, 7:08pm 1608271694

A good article here worth a read, from an informed source.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/sandra-coney-on-ihumtao

by Kate | 18th Dec 20, 7:56pm 1608274568

Yes, excellent.

by linklater01 | 18th Dec 20, 7:27pm 1608272865

having lived here for only 17 years, I am still reluctant to voice an opinion on the history of the country. However, I came from Scotland and i do know quite a lot about its history. I have written about the history of the Clans and the Kilt and the Clearances. I also know something of Irish history. It never entirely finishes, but at some point, lines must be drawn so that countries can move on.
Perhaps it it just too recent for NZ, but at some point that line must be drawn here too.

by PocketAces | 18th Dec 20, 9:59pm 1608281970

I am pretty sure when you speak of a line drawn that the country then move on in a western fashion, leaving Maori tikanga as some sort of museum piece or something you bring out every now and then to entertain the crowds with. I don't think many are envisioning a country where the native culture plays much part in the day to day running of it, and that troubles me.

by MLSmith1 | 18th Dec 20, 11:20pm 1608286859

Read bit history of colonial dealings... often they’d negotiate with party they thought had authority for said transaction only for multiple tickle of others coming out of woods to say they too have ties to the land!
Their concept of title is not the same....unless it suits them.
One things for sure, they understood warfare and if it wasn’t within their faculty, land conquest would have been their aim as it was when they first emigrated here.
I find it funny...there occupation of NZ has only been 500 odd years, far less than the Norman conquest of Britton, yet you don’t see the welsh demanding their England isle back do you...
Truth be had, if the crown had known of great resources say gold, diamonds, population to exploit etc, they would have put far more resources into full control. We only have to look at other colonised nations to see that.

by Pusheen | 21st Dec 20, 12:04am 1608462271

Double, Triple dips and so on; Nat govt sold it out, .. then milking out by Iwi rep, Lab bought back using tax payers $ (not from previous Iwi rep).. change govt, repeat the cycle - NZ is super smart, they claimed.