New Zealand's vaccination rate will need to reach 90% for the country to move to a new Covid-19 framework.
The Government on Friday unveiled what this 'Covid-19 Protection Framework' will look like. Here is a summary (click on the magnifying glass to zoom in):
Auckland will move to the red level of the framework once 90% of the eligible population across all three of the region's district health boards are fully vaccinated/have had two doses of the vaccine.
The rest of New Zealand will move to orange once that 90% target has been reached across all district health boards.
However, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the Government would consider moving the South Island to the new framework, should it hit 90% before the North Island.
She didn't put a date on when travel in and out of Auckland would be able to resume.
89% of eligible Aucklanders have had one dose of the vaccine; 74% have had two. Nationwide, 86% of the eligible population has had one dose and 69% two doses.
Key features of new framework
Under the new framework lockdowns may still be used. While the Government says they will be "localised", it's also keeping the door open to "wider lockdowns, similar to measures in Alert Level 3 or 4".
A key feature of the new framework is that it uses vaccination certificates. Bars, restaurants, retailers, gyms, churches, and close-contact businesses will be able to operate under looser restrictions if they choose to require people who come onto their premises to present their vaccine certificate to prove they have been double-vaxxed.
Presenting vaccination certificates will be mandatory in high-risk settings like music festivals and big events. People won't need to present certificates to access basic services like supermarkets and pharmacies, and there will be exemptions for people who can't get vaccinated.
The Government will consider the following factors when considering shifts between traffic light colours: vaccination coverage, health system capacity, testing, contact tracing and case management capacity, levels of community transmission, and the impact on key populations.
Financial support for businesses
Businesses across the country will be able to continue to access the Wage Subsidy while Auckland remains at Level 3.
Businesses across the country will also be able to continue to access the Resurgence Support Payment, which is available to businesses affected by Level 2, 3 or 4 restrictions.
But from November 12, the rate of this payment will double to $3000 per business plus $800 per fully time employee, up to 50 employees. The payment will be made available fortnightly.
Once Auckland moves to the new framework, the Resurgence Support Payment will be stopped nationwide. But, the Government has decided in principle to make some sort of transition payment available at this time.
The Government will next month decide what sort of financial support will be available when the new framework is in force.
Finance Minister Grant Robertson expected the Wage Subsidy and Resurgence Support Payment to be "reworked to a new targeted payment" that will be available at the red level of the new framework.
Separately, Auckland businesses will be able to apply for up to $3000 worth of advice and planning support, and then $4000 to implement that advice through the established Regional Business Partners programme.
Financial support for low-income earners
The Government is temporarily broadening the criteria for Hardship Support, so more people are eligible.
A single person who works 40 hours a week and earns the minimum wage will be able to receive this support. Previously their income would've been deemed too high.
The Ministry of Social Development expects to see an extra 25,000 grants paid to those in need.
The additional support will only be available between November 1 and February 28.
This policy is expected to cost $38 million.
The Government expects to spend $940 million per fortnight on Wage Subsidies and the enhanced Resurgence Support Payment. Since the start of this Delta outbreak, businesses have received $4.8 billion in government support.
The tables below detail how income thresholds for various types of Hardship Support are being lifted:
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Good question- that's not clear at all.
A discretionary judgement based on number of cases in community etc.???
If so, that's a plan filled with uncertainty
According to the website Red action is needed to be taken to protect both at-risk people and protect our health system from an unsustainable number of hospitalisations.
So perhaps once the daily COVID numbers decrease then Auckland will move to orange?
But ultimately the move to orange depends on how Labour are polling in Auckland. A decrease could see Auckland move to orange faster.
The govt website says Orange is for:
At Orange, there will be increasing community transmission that is putting pressure on our health system. The whole of health system will focus its resources, but can continue to manage primary care, public health, and hospitals. There may also be an increasing risk for at-risk people.
But outside of Waikato and Auckland...there are ZERO cases - no community transmission - accordingly shouldn't the rest of NZ be a Green level? And, if Auckland is at Red - does that mean that hospitals in Auckland are struggling to cope with the current numbers?
I used to live under the happy misapprehension that I lived in a free country, I cannot believe we are allowing the Government to do this to us. I am double jabbed and have generally agreed with the approach to date but this is ridiculous.
This plan should be put to an early election. It is a huge infringement on civil liberties and individual choice. We are being locked down due to massive under investment in the health service and a lack of personal responsibility in certain communities.
The highest vaccination rate is in Asian communities which would suggest that the vaccine roll out has not been racist and that low uptake is down to individual choice.
For me there has been plenty of examples of ridiculousness from this government… this does not surprise me.
We need to do some thing to get rid of them… I cannot wait another 2 years!
If only I could multi thumbs up you more than once.
Stupid people voting her in thinking she was amazing. She's on a massive socialist power trip.
Labour used to mean actually doing Work, now it means Nuffing is Working.
A Leader used to mean someone who knew what they were doing, cos they had Experience. Now we expect miracles from someone with no Experience.
Colouring up the New Zealand Language, means trying to understand, what the hell they are wittering on about.
Keeping it simple and understandable was the way we taught our kids to excel. Excelling at something is trying to get to a 100% with dimwits leading the pack.
Try to keep it simple, is my suggestion to Labour as they are Labouring under a Language I do not understand.....cos I am Simple.
I write in English so you mostly understand. Most do not understand the news, the logic, the inuendo and the desperate measures we are experiencing.
Please Jacinda, can we revert to Simple English and not not befuddle the Team of 5 Million for the benefit of the 1-2%. It will not kill us to understand, what you imply. But if we do not Comply, it may kill us all at Work, Health and Kintergarden.....We need to see the Light.......Green, so we can all go back to Normal, if you get my Drift.
Thanks. I did not Vote Labour, now I Totally am beginning to understand Why. Most of the time, I do not understand what Politicians are wittering on about....We should be Working Together. But reading all the above, we are Working Apart.
Come on there must be some legal eagles on here... what's the likely success of mounting a crowd funded legal challenge??
Is there any science behind the 90% figure? It seems like a very round number. If they had set 88% for example (which is still well ahead of any other country), we would be there in 3 weeks. But 90% could be 6 weeks or even forever. Is the 2% difference worth 3 weeks ore more extra lockdown? Did they factor in the spread from protest rallies and the like? It all seems very unscientific.
There is no science other than the higher the better, but there has to be a balance, we can't wait for 90% the trade-off is too high. I think I will move to North Korea to get my freedoms back.
You let a government dictate what you do with your body, you let them dictate anything.
They are now dictating anything they please.
Well, there were a few voices being ridiculed not too many days ago,…
For everyone who has stood up so far, go and get together with support from others. There are a lot more of us freedom thinkers than you might believe!
Thanks CT. We have never protested nothing. Zip.
But this....this is on a level that requires us to.
My adorable, crazy and beautiful ex daughter in law has 4 children to raise. She has a hairdressing salon. She will not take a risk with her girls jabwise, and desperately needs to look after her own health in order to keep money rolling in. So her salon will be unjabbed. She is young, and healthy the virus itself should not be problematic.
The government yesterday threatened her business. In two ways. She will not be able to serve her customers, then Robertson sort of said there will be no government handouts if her business fails.
What a nasty piece of work. The mother of my grandees has battled to get this business going, and that rotten sod wants to smash all her hopes and dreams, for what he believes in. He doesnt want to understand or care that she sees life differently.
I will protest. Tell me where and when. Level 3 can go into the sewer where it belongs.
Is your daughter in Auckland? I desperately need a haircut… will drive anywhere 😝
But I digress. Anyone genuinely interested and capable of staying calm and peaceful for the duration, no matter what… go and join this group of amazing 3 women who started this not long ago. I just have a few days ago as they have an amazing energy, help in so many ways to deal with the anguish this government is creating… and there is now a grass roots dynamic growing so fast that it will surprise many very soon
thinkers is overstating it
Did Labourthides paid per post budget run out? Guy has gone quiet as a mouse
Right after his second jab. So weird.
NO VAX NO SERVICE!
I LOVE IT!
You would.
Lock them up in a camp for some "re-education".
I know you're being ironic Mrs the point, but I'm guessing 3 of those four thumb-ups are from people who actually want to put them in camps....
I think everyone should have the right to choose if they get the vaccine that's fine. But you can't hold 89.99% of the country to ransom for the few who don't want to get it, that's a backhand way of saying you have to get it otherwise everyone will hate you. You have the right to choose whether you get the vaccine, but you dont get to choose the outcome of that decision aka if you get sick. Just say to everyone, you have till the end of November to get vaccinated if you want, but as of end of November we are opening everything and good luck. People have to take personal responsibility for their actions, why are we coddling the few at the expense of the many?
not half -- 89.99% of the country held back -- good luck if you own a bach in Northland -- maybe next christmas!
Exactly.
World laughing stock - not world leading.
world leading -- NO country on Earth has insisted over 90% of its population ( in 22 separate areas) must be fully vaccinated in order for 1 person to get a haircut !
Those baldies are laughing at everyone else.
?? got a haircut this morning.
90% for all DHBs? That may never happen.
I can't see it happening in Northland. But this will provide the best incentive that the remaining unvaxxed are ever going to get.
There is no way all 3 DHBs will be 90% double vaxed by Xmas.
90% double vaccination in all 3 Auckland DHB’s is highly unlikely & the government knows that. They are stonewalling.
On average there are probably 5% anti-Vaxxers in NZ & this will higher than 5% in DHBs located in the poorest areas.
The PM stated overseas research showed 5% drop-off in getting second vaccine.
So let’s assume there are 10% anti-vaxers for the DHB’s located in the poorest area & 5% drop-off = maximum 85% double-rate for DHB’s in poorest area.
It is also likely that average drop-off rates will be higher in poorer areas so maximum theoretical double-vaxed for DHBs in the poorest area may not even get to 80% double-vax.
The Auckland economy is headed for disaster if the government sticks to this plan because the 90% target is highly unlikely in the next 3 months.
Yup. No way Manukau DHB will get 90% double vaccinated. Unless they start kicking down doors and holding people down.
At the rate she is going, I wouldn’t rule that out. Clark Gayford will tweet asking whanau to hold them down. After next election, she will say sorry for the vaxx raids, smile, call for kindness and apply for a job at the UN. After turning NZers against NZers and the squid game ends, she and her family will move to NY. The end.
I know this post is bitter. I’m vaccinated but the way she talks about fellow human beings who are not vaccinated is appalling and distasteful. What did she say when she won the election, I wilL govern for every single Nzer, until they don’t do exactly as I command. She is on a massive power ride.
These clowns would prefer to destroy the country than to call out the tardy.
Heaven forbid she upset some sections of society, that she jumps though any hoop going to not offend, it's getting ridiculously over the top now.
My partner received this email yesterday from Immigration NZ. Doesn’t affect me personally but it’s cool to see how people are segregated at the gov level:
“From 1 November 2021, non-New Zealand citizens aged 17 years and over must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter New Zealand.
New Zealand permanent residents and temporary visa holders are not New Zealand citizens…”
Hold on... do the unvaccinated citizen will be able to return to the country and pose risk to team of 5 million? Potentially overloading health care system? Why just not ban them from entrance completely?
Even if they come to NZ (assuming that they will get slot in MIQ which is close to impossible!) why on earth would they return to live with limitations?
Now we pay the price of 30 years of neoliberalism, 30 years of widening the gap between rich and poor, between haves and have-nots; 30 years of alienation of the bottom 10 or 20 per cent of society. Now they say Fuck you, and fuck your vaccination. Which doesn't do them or anyone else any good, but it is where New Zealand is now, as Chris Trotter says at bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/10/the-power-of-no.html.
The only reason this is happening is because Covid has destroyed every first world health care system in the world. I am from Africa and would not rate New Zealand health care far off (5th world). I love New Zealand but if I have to show a pass to access everyday life I shall be finding myself a new home. I was brought up in apartheid South Africa and all I can say to New Zealanders is don’t turn on one another. Such a shame!
We need to get perspective back!
"Destroyed"?
Covid has not destroyed any health system.
Put under pressure yes, but its a global bloody pandemic! what do you expect?
Has the NHS vanished from the face of the earth?!?!? Is it impossible to go see a doctor in the States?!?!
I hold British citizenship and My family all live in the UK, trust me at the peak the great NHS was deciding who to let live and who to let die. She has been devistated. On Top of that the UK implemented a temporary nightingale hospital with 4000 temporary beds, fortunately never used. What I am trying to say is you can't compare the New Zealand Healthcare system to the likes of the wonderful NHS.
Use accurate language.
The NHS was not destroyed. Its functioned as designed throughout.
It was put under large pressure. But hospitals already make life and death priority treatment decisions. It happens in Emergency wards and cancer treatment decisions daily.
Its a global pandemic. People will die.
But We have spent 5 billion dollars funding this last lockdown. 5 billion!!! How many nurses and doctors could we fund for the next 20 years with that money??
There is middle ground between Boris oh Britanica and no one must die socialism.
So true. Government chooses daily (disclaimer: not literally) which people live or die based on which drugs are funded via Pharmac. It seems only people dying of COVID matters these days because it is in the public eye.
The NHS was at breaking point even before COVID. The system there is totally dysfunctional. I know because I have doctors in my family that have lived and worked in the UK, AU, Canada and NZ. The UK is the worst of the lot, by far.
I am confused. Is 90% of the total population or eligible population? I read on Stuff as soon as the news was released where says 90% of the eligible population. It makes sense to me and sounds more realistic and approachable if Ardern means the eligible population which is equal to 80% total of NZ population.
Otherwise, she can go f**** herself as we will never get 90% of the total population vaxxed, it is a mission impossible.
It's just virtue signaling.
We won't be getting to 90% any time soon, so, there will be another plan coming up.
Next will be the policing of the certificate (if we ever get one).
No one will be checking this.
Right now most places you go into do not require scanning in, or writing in books. Share the QR code is there, and the book is there. But, no one generally checks.
Hardly anyone scans in now (if you watch for a while), and so when we get to whatever the final target is, no one is going to check whether you have a certificate or not, it's just not going to happen. Maybe it will be for events such as concerts which would be the most likely places to get checked, but for restaurants and bars and whatever, it just not going to happen.
This is just increasing the fear factor.
Auckland is in lockdown now, with people openly breaking all the rules because they have had enough. Does this silly woman think that when we have this supposedly high vax level that people will have the time and/or inclination to be continually policing people who come in and out of their businesses? I don't think so.
There's no way the eligible population will get to 90%. I hasn't happened anywhere around the world. They're dreaming.
Portugal is at 98% of eligible population.
Incorrect. 2nd time this chat section you've posted this.
Use Google, it takes 5 seconds.
85% for Portugal. 87% 1st dose. They are flatlined.
Fluffy, you fail to understand the difference between % of TOTAL population, and % of ELIGIBLE population.
Portugal is a world leader in vaccinations, with 86% of its TOTAL population fully vaccinated.
Of those ELIGIBLE for vaccination (everyone over 12 like here), 98% have been vaccinated.
United Arab Emirates is at 98% of the TOTAL population having had a first dose.
Portugal 87% of the TOTAL population.
Cuba 85% of the TOTAL population.
Chile 85% of the TOTAL population.
Singapore 83% of the TOTAL population.
Cambodia 82% of the TOTAL population.
Spain 80% of the TOTAL population.
All of these countries will easily exceed the threshold we are looking for. (90% of the ELIGIBLE population)
You can go back to sleep now.
It's 90% of eligible, or more accurately of 12+ because once approved for 5-12 they are still only going for 90% of 12+ (i.e., goal posts won't be moved). Very achievable - people who think it isn't have been looking at stats on total population not eligible population.
My Prime Minister!
Your order will be executed.
Long live Aotearoa!
I am Sorry but dont you all understand the plan yet.
Lower interest rates, encourage impossible housing debt levels
Bankrupt small businesses, with Covid lockdowns
Increase Private interest rates to levels that"
Bankrupt property owners.
Govt buys the houses.
Its all here :
Google: World economic forum
It is all documented
You will own nothing and you will be happy
Those with no debt and solid income will also be able to borrow and enjoy the fruit of a great reset.
There will be no more borrowing cheaply or at all.
no worthwhile incentives no property gains, money printing Stops, you assets prices will have crashed, you will want to or need to sell, those remaining will sell, or die as most are Babyboomers, inheritance tax will get the rest. The Govts will outbid any other buyers.
The Great Reset
So the unvaxed get to hold a very large chunk of NZ to ransom over their personal FU attitude to other kiwis. Picking there will be a mass exit of Awkalnd and the police wont be able to stop it without calling out the Military to set up checkpoints at every point. All sailing and boat clubs will require similar steps. The only way to stop this madness from the Govt is to do your best to bubble burst and spread it everywhere you can.
Picking numbers will take a real surge as people choose to spread it to get over this.
No, the unvaxed are not holding us to ransom, only the failing of Govt. policy is. See my post below about what Italy is doing.
Wouldn't take much of a determined group to run the border. You'd just organize a group of say 20-50 cars and head south on the motorway...just barge your way through. Some of you get caught but the rest carry on. Police don't have the resource to capture 100 people trying to get through, let alone 1000 or more.
Watch this video of scientists with data much more insightful than the pitiful stuff we get fed in NZ. You might see that all countries followed the same pattern so far. That is, covid case numbers shoot up AFTER vaccination drives by governments. That’s for both injections, visible clearly in the data slides. Now all you need to do is ask the question, why is that happening?
Thx for the link. I wonder if govts and people feel safer as vaccination rates rise, so behaviours change and the susceptible are put at more risk after vaccination drives.
Interesting how this bunch of doctors pretty much agreed that vaccines and other protections like isolation should be for the vulnerable (elderly, obese etc) and the rest of the population should get on with life and head to herd immunity.
A sensible option would be to say, "get vaxed now if you haven't been, and if you're not vaxed by x date, we won't be waiting any longer for you and will be opening up"
But not Jacinda, she makes it so now it's everyone's problem that some people are either too lazy or too stupid to get vaxed, nice one.
To be honest, she has been so behind in this game it’s laughable. The reason she said Tuesday that we will revisit Auckland in 2 weeks rather than one is because she didn’t get the passport app engaged early.
She now knows it’s not going to be anytime soon, probably 3 - 6 weeks behind. This has nothing to do with Aucklanders or NZers, it is just absolutely incompetence masked with fluff, drama, segregation, division, self praise, held tilts and oh the expert opinions. The NZ government is sick, can’t be honest, can’t govern with dignity.
Grant Robertson "It's all good Jacinda we can just keep printing money to pay for it, and act surprised that it's created a massive housing bubble" - Jacinda "but I was surprised".
School holiday - cancelled
Labour weekend - cancelled
Halloween - cancelled
Guy Fawkes - cancelled
Christmas 2021- ?
New years - ?
NZ Tennis open cancelled .... Sail GP .... Show Day .... Geraldine Street Market .... cancelled cancelled cancelled ....
.... someone call God : postpone your boy's birthday shindig !
Labour: National will give you Covid for Christmas.
Nek minnit Labour: We have cancelled christmas.
Taking into account all of the above, there is every chance Auckland will indeed be world leading by the end of the year - as the city which has endured the world's longest lockdown. Please feel free to correct me if I have got this wrong. Unlike our PM, I don't mind being wrong.
Yes, this will be a very long lockdown. And Labour have not actually envisioned a complete abolition of all restrictions? Or am I imagining that?
To me this is a very sad day in our political life. We have been sentenced to indefinite home detention. This is the first time this has ever happened and is the death of freedoms a lot of men died for in WW2.
I was talking to a mate who lives in Kuala Lumpur, he said KL had been in lockdown for like 400 odd days at that point. Not sure it was to the same degree as ours because their government kept adding restrictions and exceptions, but yeah heaps of them just stayed in their apartments for a year.
It's good to have some references to imagine the future.
Here is your reference - "a brave new world" by Aldous Huxley
What is the main message of Brave New World? One of the most salient messages of Brave New World is the alarm raised by Huxley against the dangers of technology. Using scientific and technological advances to control society may give more power to totalitarian states to change the way human beings think and act.
The novel examines a futuristic society, called the World State, that revolves around science and efficiency. In this society, emotions and individuality are conditioned out of children at a young age, and there are no lasting relationships because “every one belongs to every one else” (a common World State dictum).
We could be open tomorrow if we followed Italy's example
It was reported in the Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/italy-leads-the-way-on-vaccine-mandates/LDDLGPCJ54HOEOGZ5GQIU363MY/ that Italy lead the way in new Vaccine and Work Mandates, and here https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/italy-vaccination-mandate-w…
Main points:
- Need to be vaccinated and you get a passport (Green Pass) to work, and attend restaurants, bars etc.
- BUT a Green Pass can also be obtained by the non vaccinated with a negative coronavirus test, workers who go that route would need to be retested every 48 hours which the article says is a daunting impracticality but the Italian government believes the system can cope. Note there are non-invasive Covid tests that can give results in 10 minutes.
- The system is only until the end of the year but could be extended.
To this, I would add those that have caught Covid and are not vaccinated. There is no reason for those that have natural immunity to require to be vaccinated.
This is important because they are not making the non-vaccinated (for whatever reason) have to be unemployed. We see that many people, due to the beliefs are going to leave their present positions and in industries that we are short of staff like midwifery, nursing, teaching etc.
They will probably never re-enter the industry, assuming of course that these restrictions would be lifted at some stage in the future, although that has never been discussed.
There are many vaccinated people like myself that do not agree with the present ham-fisted policies, especially as there are other options that would achieve better results, and not create unnecessary division within NZ society.
So here are the Italians, who had had far more experience living, or should I say dying, with Covid leading the way, yet in NZ we are a one-trick pony, and can't learn anything from others.
And there is a certain irony that a country with a once Fascist past has a more accommodating, inclusive and supporting policy than does the present Labour Govt.
No we can't follow anyone else apparently we are world first in our approach. Builders are in parliament as we speak making door way bigger in PM office and deputy PM.
If anyone is organising a protest, please let me know. I would like to attend.
Google - voices for freedom
It would be nice if there was a protest organised by normal people who aren’t covid deniers or anti vaxors or religious nut jobs, just people who think the Auckland lockdown has gone on too long and want out.
Nobody is holding you back… are they? You could however, run into a slight credibility problem.
I see a lot of comments are being removed. Here comes more freedom control....
Yip. I’ve just noticed that a few of my comments seem to be missing.
Sad, of all the corrupt press I thought Interest was the least, however it looks like the government has got to them as well.
Hate to say it but for the good of this country we may need Covid to spread across the country for this government to wake up and stop printing money and be more proactive and balanced in their decision-making.
I see the article's photo has now been changed. A much better, more inspiring, one. It does kind of put us, the viewers, in a much lower position looking up. Light is shining down, as if from heaven, as if Jacinda is showered with a divine radiance. Her face is glowing. The outstretched arm with the palm facing us evokes a sort of Bronze Age goddess vibe. Two arms would have been a little too much. Have to keep it a little subtle.
Being tilted at an angle is interesting. That can sometimes be sinister. Movies like Battlefield Earth did that whenever the baddies were on screen.
The updated photo reminds me of that scene from the most recent Mad Max film, where the bad guy gets up and declares to the huddled mass of starving peasants:
"It is by my hand that you arise from the ashes of this earth".
It kind of fits Jacinda's whole vibe too ... so maybe that's the angle she is going for.
Just noticed that, very interesting.
Jenee can you comment on why that is done? Is that got anything to do with measure comments & impact etc? Normal to change photos around? or did someone complain?
Genuinely interested in a response.
Somehow I can’t see you getting a comment on this one from the source. But hey, lets be thankful we have at least one relatively decent comment section on an independent decent news site in NZ!
Good spotting. We don't need photos on articles like this - at all. Just give us the written details only. The current photo implies a Saint Jacinda.
Thought more than strange too. Overlooking Rio? The Great Redeemer? Damn difficult though to find any redemption in this shameful sham of political self interest. The cat is out of the bag. Stop trying to bag the populace to save your skins.
A true Covidian high priestess
I think you're overanalysing *just a touch*. The author found a photo they liked better and also updated the articles text at the same time. Their prerogative. Moving on.
Auckland has 156000 people that have not had a 1st dose. We only need 18000 more first jabs to get to 90%. Start a give a little page. Raise 10 million dollars. The first 18000 people to get double vaxed between now and whenever get a share of the million once they are double dosed. $550 each
If you are number 18001 you get nothing. The vax clinics would look like the American Embassy at the fall of Saigon.
Ill give a little, my middle finger.
I am double jabbed.
However if your not ,and dont have a covid passport.
you can not go to a hairdresser to get a hair cut!?
WTF...
My walk in and wait barber, is a skinny chinese single sole owner hairdresser whom speaks limited english but does a great hair cut.
How are they going to enforce this, is he expected to?
Don't worry, they can't and he probably won't.
Jacinda's approach to when we go back to normal is very similar to my approach in responding to my daughter's request for another puppy. I would buy the puppy as soon as a dragon, carrying a pink unicorn on its back while doing backflips, makes coffee for me every morning.
Haha thanks for the laugh, my mood was pretty bad since the 10am announcement and this post made me have a break from doom and gloom, to have a wee laugh.
I'm actually quite happy - the gov has finally brought clarity on vaccination goals - 90% have to be vaccinated. So what that it took them 9 mounts since first vaccines arrived... May 2022 we'll know what's the deadline to achieve 90% is.
I'm not sure this'll work. In the UK regional lockdowns increased the spread of the virus because people travelled from shut regions to open ones.
Quite aside from that it doesn't move us any closer to reopening.
It’s going to be a very weird election next time round. We might end up with Act and the greens as the major parties! I am not sure which of those to go for at this stage!
Red light, green light?
Coupla days ago i asked who where the men and women behind the curtain..
Now we know. It's South Korea! >
What an extended whinge festival from ignorant armchair epidemiologists this set of comments are.
And unwilling to face the facts that (a) we have and likely will continue having much lower deaths and hospitalisations, (b) we have and will continue to have a better economic results than many countries, (c) we have had the most days of "freedom" of just about any country in the world.
There are still problems to address though, e.g.:
- low vaccination rates for some ethnicities - a mix of late start in vaccination younger people and a failure to go the the people with vaccines, rather than expecting the people to go to the vaccine
- terrible financial support for low paid and beneficiaries
- a health system that has been underfunded for years and operates in silos aka health boards
I think most people will agree that the government has got it right until now (hence labours high polling). But this is probably another two months of lockdown for Auckland, all because a vax rate of 85% is not good enough, it must be 90%. And that 90% only gets us to red, god knows what is needed to get to green? And it isn’t even 90% over the region, it is 90% for the worst performing DHB, which could be 93% or more over the region. Meanwhile others countries are stopping lockdown at 70%, including our closest neighbours.
why can’t we try going to level 2 soon and go back to level 3 or 4 if the deaths get out of hand? Our death rate is currently almost 0, it’s a tiny fraction of our road toll that we put up with year after year.
@Andrew
You could also just admit that you are too compliant and complacent to act.
Surely today's announcement confirms that she is our worst PM ever? She has needlessly replaced a known "levels" regime with a new Kafkaesque nightmare. The new, "Apartheid" system can only be reached when South Auckland reaches one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, (ie 90%), and no dates or targets are then set out for escaping from the new madhouse. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
or I could say I recognise the difference between fact and fantasy
Laughable echo chamber in here. The government’s clear message today to anyone paying attention was..Get Vaccinated.. because those who don’t in a few months will be second class New Zealanders unable to access services that vaccinated Kiwis can. The naysayers and doomsayers in here are in the minority, most of us are fully supportive of the Labour Government. Check out the polls. And watch NZ zoom past 90% double vaxxed by the end of this year. Cheers.
...except if you've been here long enough you'll recognise the names and know that many who are now criticising the Government had, to date, generally supported the Government. And you look at the polls, Labour's popularity is trending downwards consistently. Combined with inflation and interest rate rises, you may find that the naysayers and doomsayers are quickly growing. People are beginning to see through the charisma and charm, and finally realise that there is little substance to the Prime Minister and her team cannot do the heavy lifting for her. The current cabinet, by Labour's own historic standards, is extremely poor.
I repeat. Laughable echo chamber. You are a mob of whiners and moaners. Watch New Zealand zoom past 90% double vaxxed by the end of the year. Watch the hospital and death rates due to COVID remain incredibly low by international standards. And watch the economy and employment rebound in the 1st quarter of 2022. And finally…watch Labour returned and deliver an historic thrashing to National in 2023. Cheers.
And watch our Public and Private debt to GDP ratios grow to ever more dangerous levels.
Public debt to GDP is minuscule, nothing to get concerned about.
Private debt though ....
Do you give free readngs too? Palms, tarot cards or crystal ball?
I've been a big supporter of the government's handling of Covid until about a month ago when it was apparent they were losing their way. Now thoroughly disillusioned.
Not a Judith Collins fan, but I liked what she wrote in the Herald: "Yes a vaccine target is needed, 85 per cent, or the first of December, whatever comes first, then New Zealand needs to be given its freedom back."
Vaccine, passport, scan in, mask, what more do we need?
A lot of children died in USA according to Vaers database after taking vaccine. Link: https://vaxpain.us
I thought we are saving lifes.... Why some lifes less important than others? Why they don't write about those people? People get banned in Facebook or Twitter.
If people still getting sick after vaccine, so what's the purpose of it?
Also the more vaccinated people the more people sick and dying. Everything should be perfect in USA but everyday 1000 dying there. And was 2000 per day. And the less vaccinated country the less people getting sick and dying. Does it look strange? Vietnam - after vaccination covid sky rocketed, Israel - sky rocketed, UK goes to the moon. And so on.
"Israel's Unvaccinated 17% Now Account for Nearly Half of COVID Deaths"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/covid-israel-unvaccinated-17-nearly…
If you like living, I suggest you get the vaccine. Your choice though!
I agree. Mass vaccination clearly increases the amount of Covid infections and the VAERS data shows that the vaccines have killed more in twelve months than all vaccines combined in 30 years, but Adolphinda has always ignored science.
She thinks that letting Auckland out of her grip will cause Labour to drop in the polls. It is time to take to the streets.
VAERS contains all sorts of low quality and unverified data . You can't make any valid conclusions from it without further investigation of each case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System
The main benefit of the vaccine is that it massively reduces your chances of dying or incurring serious illness from Covid.
Over 60% of VAERS reports are from doctors and peer reviewed research indicates that there have been approximately 250,000 US deaths from the vaccine; https://trialsitenews.com/proof-that-the-cdc-is-lying-to-the-world-abou….
This compares with about 30,000 deaths caused directly by Covid in the US. That is why Robert Malone, who invented mRNA technology does not support these mass vaccinations.
More claptrap from sunchap!
Herd immunity, was the scientific consensus for a low risk respiratory virus until they put people like you in charge...Thanks for destroying our country.
Stop spreading misinformation based on a misrepresentation of VAERS data.
This plan sounds very nice and all but I struggle to see how it will be enforced how they intend. We barely have enough police, how is this going to work? LOL. I'm sure a lot will be easy worked around.
As mentioned....this lady has run out of luck.
Luck supported 4 years...now what ?
Vote these inept clowns out next election, what's the risk again?
Shutting down the country, taking freedoms away indirectly forcing medical procedures, with convoluted rules down for a single death in this second wave and a whole raft of what ifs....
Tyrants change laws throughout history using safety and security as justifications for their actions, you don't have to look hard to find examples
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