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Friday's Top 10: Why sea levels could rise 10m; John Clarke explains Ben Bernanke and tapering; Why haven't crayfish prices collapsed? Toplis goes ballistic; Steve Martin duels with Kermit the Frog; Caffeine spray; Dilbert

Friday's Top 10: Why sea levels could rise 10m; John Clarke explains Ben Bernanke and tapering; Why haven't crayfish prices collapsed? Toplis goes ballistic; Steve Martin duels with Kermit the Frog; Caffeine spray; Dilbert
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Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 1 pm today.

As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

See all previous Top 10s here.

My must watch today is #10 from Clarke and Dawe. They explain Ben Bernanke and tapering. I laughed. 

1. Where's the mobility - One response to economic stress is to move. New Zealanders are expert at moving to find jobs, which often means moving to Australia.

The Americans were also excellent movers. Before the mid-1980s they would up sticks and move their families to the south and the west to find jobs, which helped drive America's economic dynamism.

But that mobility is dropping.

Matt Yglesias has a look at this trend at Slate.

The percentage of Americans moving to find work has dropped from 29% to 12% since 1985.

It seems less educated people are less likely to move.

Here's Yglesias:

Michael Strain of the American Enterprise Institute suggests giving vouchers to the long-term unemployed to help cover the expense of relocating to a healthier job market.

Ideas of this kind are no substitute for stimulative fiscal and monetary policies to promote broad employment growth, but they’re a perfectly sound complement. Historically, America’s large size and mobile population have made the country robust against shocks. Immigrants and college graduates are still quite mobile, but the country’s native-born, working-class majority is staying put, and it’s hurting them and the whole country.

2. It's not all about productivity - Samuel Brittan writes in this FT opinion piece that there is nothing wrong with the US economy that a bout of redistribution could not put right.

3. 20% too high? - Nadine Chalmers-Ross, who is trying to buy her first home, writes at TVNZ.co.nz that the 20% deposit rule being used by the Reserve Bank in its speed limit is too high. 

It wouldn't be if house prices fell the 20% that the Reserve Bank calculates is the current level of over-valuation.

But here's the argument:

These rules are designed, the Reserve Bank says, to rein in the credit growth in the hope of avoiding another bubble.

But could the Reserve Bank be adddressing a problem that doesn't yet exist? The amount of money banks have been lending has picked up - it rose 5.4% in the year to June, but that's nowhere near the circa 15% annual growth from 2003-2007.

The changes may help keep interest rates lower for longer, which I'm sure will be welcomed by exporters and existing homeowners, but they will enjoy at most a few more months of rates at current levels. That comes at a large cost to others.

4. Yikes - Mother Jones reports on five terrifying statements from a leaked Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, including this one:

Long-term, sea level rise could be 5 to 10 meters. Journalists are already citing the draft report's prediction that by the year 2100, we could see as much as three feet of sea level rise. But there is also a more long-range sea level scenario alluded to in the draft report, and it's far more dramatic and alarming.

Taking a look at the planet's distant past, the document ascribes "very high confidence" to the idea that sea levels were "at least 5 [meters] higher" during the last interglacial period, some 129,000 to 116,000 years ago. It also adds that sea level during this period probably did not exceed 10 meters higher than present levels. Finally, the draft report says, with "medium confidence," that temperatures at that time weren't more than 2 degrees Celsius warmer than "pre-industrial" levels.

5. Show us the price cut - James Suroweicki writes at The New Yorker about the strange reason why sharply lower wholesale lobster prices in America haven't flowed through into cheaper lobster meals in restaurants.

Even as the wholesale price of lobster has collapsed, restaurant prices for lobster tails and that hipster favorite the high-end lobster roll have stayed buoyant. There’s more lobster out there right now than anyone knows what to do with, but we’re still paying for it as if it were a rare delicacy.

Keeping prices high obviously lets restaurants earn more on each dish. But it may also mean that they get less business. So why aren’t we seeing markdowns? Some of the reasons are straightforward, like the inherent uncertainty of prices from year to year: if a bad harvest next summer sent prices soaring, restaurants might find it hard to sell expensive lobster to customers who’d got used to cheap lobster. But the deeper reason is that, economically speaking, lobster is less like a commodity than like a luxury good, which means that its price involves a host of odd psychological factors.

Studies have shown that people prefer inexpensive wines in blind taste tests, but that they actually get more pleasure from drinking wine they are told is expensive. If lobster were priced like chicken, we might enjoy it less. Restaurants also worry about the message that discounting sends. Studies dating back to the nineteen-forties show that when people can’t objectively evaluate a product before they buy it (as is the case with a meal) they often assume a correlation between price and quality.

6. Spurious diatribe from an institutionalised interventionist? - Stephen Toplis from the BNZ has fired another broadside at the Reserve Bank over how it's communicating its high LVRs speed limit. Here's David Hargreaves' article on it on our site.

The words "spurious analysis" and "diatribe" are used in the critque of the central bank. 

Yikes. The Reserve Bank Christmas Card list might just have gotten a bit shorter. Although to be fair to the bank, I'm still on the list. ;) Probably an oversight.

Toplis really goes for the doctor in the piece, accusing the good Governor of being "institutionalised" and "interventionist." I'm on Wheeler's side on this and the more I look at what he's done the more I think good on him for giving the finger to the banks.

Toplis goes on to restate the orthodoxy on monetary policy and belief that New Zealand is different when it comes to house price valuations and price falls. Toplis is an orthodox exceptionalist to Wheeler's institutionalised interventionist. 

Here's Toplis:

What continues to worry us is the Reserve Bank’s reluctance to utilise orthodox monetary policy to cure the “problems” that the economy faces. If the Bank really does believe that house price inflation is getting out of control the accepted wisdom is that rising interest rates will be most effective at limiting it.

We remain bothered that the Reserve Bank continues to promulgate the view that New Zealand is vulnerable to a housing correction based on what happened in such places as the United States, the UK, Ireland and Spain. One would have to first correct for such things as the prevalence of low-doc loans to predominantly low-income people, the impact of adjustable rate mortgages, the fact that LVR’s in some cases were well above 100%, the excessive growth of finance sectors, different refinancing obligations and, most importantly, the role of excess supply of housing before making such comparison.

You would be hard pressed to conclude that New Zealand house prices were currently under threat from excess supply. The Reserve Bank suggests that it is able to measure the supply/demand balance as it says that “LVR restrictions would be temporary and would be removed when the housing market had returned to a better balance of supply and demand”. So maybe there is some argument to be less perturbed about house price inflation while there are supply constraints?

7. The difference between confidence and competence - Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic writes at Harvard Business Review about why so many incompetent men become leaders.

In my view, the main reason for the uneven management sex ratio is our inability to discern between confidence and competence. That is, because we (people in general) commonly misinterpret displays of confidence as a sign of competence, we are fooled into believing that men are better leaders than women. In other words, when it comes to leadership, the only advantage that men have over women (e.g., from Argentina to Norway and the USA to Japan) is the fact that manifestations of hubris — often masked as charisma or charm — are commonly mistaken forleadership potential, and that these occur much more frequently in men than in women.

This is consistent with the finding that leaderless groups have a natural tendency to elect self-centered, overconfident and narcissistic individuals as leaders, and that these personality characteristics are not equally common in men and women.

8. Just what the world needs - Businessweek reports on the latest invention: Caffeine spray. Something to use after your third flat white of the day and the three cans of red bull. 

9. Totally all in one place - Three things I like: Steve Martin, Kermit the Frog and banjos.

10. Totally Clarke and Dawe on Adam Smith and Ben Bernake

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Hey Bernard , how about putting up a Reader Poll where we can vote on who we think should lead the NZ Labour Party ....

 

.... I'm voting for you , big guy ....

 

'Cos I reckon you could eat more cheap lobster than anyone else in the party ..... and that's the sort of person Labour needs to lead it into the new century .... or , ahhhhh , the bits that are left over from this century ....

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Ha!. Thanks Gummy....I think.

Not a fan of lobster. ;)

cheers

Bernard

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Lobster & Latte .... nah , you're probably right Bernard ... not a good combination ....

 

But regarding the leadership of the NZ Labour Party , ....  outside of Clayton Cosgrove or Jacinda Ardern , my votes on you big fella ...

 

.... inside of Cosgrove and Ardern it's too dark to see the ballot paper !

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#6. Get out the popcorn, as they say! Things haven't been this exciting in banking for a while (since 2008-2009, that'd be :)

 

#7. Can't help but think of our own Great Leader. But perhaps he hasn't done too badly; at least, he could've done worse. But then, so could I, if I were PM........

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#4 - some really affordable over water properties coming to a city near you! Forget houses attached to land, lets just get them floating on the sea.

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#4 runaway sea level rise... c'mon it's not journalists citing this stuff it is activists parading as journalists. We’re supposed to have 10 million climate refugees by 2010, in 2000 it was predicted by the UEA CRU that snow was to be a rare and exciting event by now that parents can only tell their children about.... The IPCC predicted the Himalayan glaciers were supposed to be melted by 2035 and scientists who pointed out how ridiculous this prediction was were labelled “voodoo scientists” by the IPCC chairman.

Get with the times even Gillard and Flannery have beach front property.

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In the first instance I wouldn't put too much stock in a "leaked inter-government report" that's a draft.

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Your statement is par for your outlook as we saw for your limits of growth fiasco, eyes wide shut as they say.

The report is a compilation of completed peer reviewed documents....so the stuff its based on isnt by and large draft.

 

regards

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Actually journalists are pretty clueless...try reading up on what the scientists are saying...
 

"What we found was that for each degree of global warming above pre-industrial levels the ocean warming will contribute about 0.4 metres to global mean sea-level rise while Antarctica will contribute about 1.2 metres. The mountain glaciers have a limited amount of water stored and thus their contribution levels off with higher temperatures. This is over-compensated for by the ice loss from Greenland, so that in total sea level rises quasi-linearly by about 2.3 metres for each degree of global warming"

We are already on course for 2 Degrees.....

"Small numbers can imply big things. Global sea level rose by a little less than 0.2 metres during the 20th century – mainly in response to the 0.8 °C of warming humans have caused through greenhouse gas emissions. That might not look like something to worry about. But there is no doubt that for the next century, sea level will continue to rise substantially. The multi-billion-dollar question is: by how much?

The upper limit of two metres that is currently available in the scientific literature would be extremely difficult and costly to adapt to for many coastal regions. But the sea level will not stop rising at the end of the 21st century. Historical climate records show that sea levels have been higher whenever Earth’s climate was warmer – and not by a couple of centimetres, but by several metres."

or you could stick your head in the sand......though if its a beach, be quick....not too long or maybe more like bottom mud....

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/08/the-inevitability…

regards

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"Actually journalists are pretty clueless..."

 

Worse they peddle climate warming denialist lies. Also from realclimate.org:

 

A Telelgraph reporter, Christopher Booker tries to dismiss the artic sea ice decline by misquoting a scientist on warm currents. The scientist responds:

 

"The article by Christopher Booker … is a misrepresentation of my views...

 

I did NOT dismiss “the idea that the ice is melting because of any rise in global temperatures” as Mr. Booker claims...

 

I did NOT state that ice melted more in the 1920s and 1930s than in recent years as Mr. Booker claims.

 

Mr. Booker has a duty as a journalist to ensure [that] his facts [are] correct."

 

 

Just another example of climate warming denialists lying to themselves and everyone else.

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The same scientists who told us about snow disappearing by now, melting glaciers by 2035 and 10 million climate refugees by 2010. All the predictions turned out to be crap. Flannery responsible for the wasting of billions of taxpayer dollars on desalinisation plants that are now mothballed as the predicted ongoing drought didn't happen.  Gillard wasting billions of dollars on carbon dioxide taxes to combat global warming then has the cheek to buy a beachfront house. If journalist checked the fact none of this nonsense would have come to pass. I can't believe I'm still reading alarmist predictions when so many have been disproven and the chief scare mongers have retired to the beach. Realclimate=activist scientists=noble cause corruption.

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"Realclimate=activist scientists=noble cause corruption."

 

Real Climate never made any of those claims you are saying turned out to be crap. Just more propaganda from the denialists.

 

It is your denialist journalist mates who tell lies and you swallow them. Why don't you have anything to say about the Telegraph journalist I pointed out lying about what a climate scientist said, profile?

 

There are endless examples of the denialists out right lying or twisting the science - funny how you lot, profile, never face up to them.

 

Every time a denialist gets busted they just move on to the next lie or rewrite the lie and present it again as a new revelation.

 

 

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Yeah your right I am making it up. Snow is now a rare and exciting event, the desalinisation plants are working flat out, the Himalayan glaciers are 33% melted, waves are inside Tim Flannery's kitchen and 10 million climate refugees now live in the USA. 

Climate "science" (UEA CRU, IPCC) made those claims and now enough time has passed to show they were crap. Climate scientists at Real Climate did nothing to point out that these were complete bullshit wanting to keep the taxpyer gravy trian running as long as possible so they could all buy beach front houses. But they do see fit to chase down a telegraph journalist who didn't follow the party line.

Real Climate choosing to say nothing against such laughable (and expensive) claims is classic noble cause corruption.

Perhaps you could comment on the complete unlack of snow and rusty desal plants and I'll look into the obscure telegraph article you mention. But I doubt very much that the journalist is having a much effect oncarbon dioxide tax policy unlike the other future predicting muppets.

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How about show us proof of the snow / unsnow claim, because right now its looking utterly silly....and nothing more than a figment of your lurid imagination.

This is classic denialism by the way, put up utter lies and mis-directions that unless someone simply calls you out are left to stand, un-substantiated....

Sorry no....show us the URL(s) and I dont mean more lies off tony watts la la and web site.

regards

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Ive never seen a real scientist claim snow would disappear by now, that is absolutely farcical.

Glaciers are certainly melting to day and always have...always will, til they are gone.

10 million climate refugees, got a URL? certainly we will see them.

Desal plants? URL? not sure where you get this one from....whos money? ie what country? 

You appear to be absolutley clueless, unable to appreciate risk management and mitigation. I bet if they hadnt built some and there had been a drought you would have been screaming the loudest....

regards

 

 

 

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Is this guy a real scientist? This was written in March 2000, I think "a few" years have passed now. So now you have seen it.

I am not the one making farcical claims climate scientists much better paid than me do that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing…

"According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said."

 

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Even from the chicken little BCC...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8387737.stm

"The UN panel on climate change warning that Himalayan glaciers could melt to a fifth of current levels by 2035 is wildly inaccurate, an academic says."

Thats what happend when a gravy train like the IPCC uses graduates and greenies to write their reports. Have a read of the book  "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert" which lays out what a farce the IPCC is and why howlers like this get released as climate science.

 

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Climate Refugees, Not Found
Discredited by reality, the U.N.'s prophecies go missing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487046587045762744702378324…

This google thing is fantastic.

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http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3604572.htm

Four Desal plants built in Oz, four mothballed already. Billions shunted onto taxpayer and electricity customers. Flannery puts feet up in beachside mansion. Nice work these predictions if you don't have to pay for them or even better get paid $180,000 for three days work a week.

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Like I said, you do risk mitigation based on the best information you have, tis simple.

regards

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It's so liberating to be a "lurid", "farcical", "clueless" "liar". If I didn't read I would really be in real trouble! Thanks for the pointers Steven, I'll bear it in mind.

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If you choose to pick such to read compared to the huge weight of real climate science and change that is underway....well yes a liberated denier indeed.

regards

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Again, profile, you put up a smoke screen to hide the lies of denialists. Again and again you denialists put up stuff which is blatantly untrue.

 

Again you have nothing to say about the denialist reporter at the Telegraph who misquoted the scientist.

 

As for the journalism you buy into, as the realclimatescience site points out:

"We’ve met TV teams coming to film a report on the IPCC reports’ errors, who were astonished when they held one of the heavy volumes in hand, having never even seen it. They told us frankly that they had no way to make their own judgment; they could only report what they were being told about it. And there are well-organized lobby forces with proper PR skills that make sure these journalists are being told the “right” story. That explains why some media stories about what is supposedly said in the IPCC reports can easily be falsified simply by opening the report and reading."

 

Funny how profile doesn't accuse nuclear physicist or biologist of being agents of the Greenies conspiring against the whole world, of not being true scientists. But when climate scientists present some science profile doesn't like he goes psycho.

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Norman Myers BA (Oxford 1958) PhD (Berkeley 1973) (born 24 August 1934), is a British environmentalist specialising in biodiversity. He is an influential figure among policy and institutional circles, although much of his more prominent work - such as on Environmental refugees' - is widely viewed as lacking academic credibility.

Quite why the UN would listen to someone who seems to lack credibility is indeed mystifing.

regards

 

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Whats missing is the context and the geographical area he was talking about. Indeed as global warming happens there will be more hot and hotter summers and less cold winters, hence less are rare snow. If you cant fathom the context of what he's talking about....but take it literally, oh dear.

regards

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What is also missing is what the scientist actually said. When reading newspapers the bits in direct quotes are what the person said, the bits that are not in direct quotes are the reporter. As a planetary scientist, whatever he said that the reporter turned into a few years could have been a faily long time in human years.

But this is the fairly boring game of climate change denier post links already knocked down in other places and feels they can claim victory if no-one on this forum bothers knocking down every single one.

Instead, I've got a much more lucrative position, and one that would set you up for life. All you need to do is explain why all the added carbon going into the atmosphere and oceans is not going to follow the basic rules of physics and chemistry. Putting aside the things like Nobel Prizes, being the first person to successfully completely revolutionise both physics and chemistry should have so many commercial spin-offs you will have it made.

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yep, context, and typical but I dont really think the deniers have much traction these days. Not that there is really much being done about the issue.....

regards

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What the scientist said is in direct quotations. Children born in 2000 are now 13 and do know what snow is. There is no wriggle with "very rare".

I agree the basic chemistry is well understood where did I mention it was wasn't? Double CO2 and get 1.2 degrees of warming big deal. Don't mortgage my future by speculating there will be a bunch of positive forcings and run out and build desal plants. Spend the money on energy research so if at least of the chicken littles are wrong some good comes of it rather than a net drag on the economy. Look at the money Oz is spending on CO2 tax and it will have no discernable effect on the 2100 temperature.

Have a read of a book called "Why most thing fail" by Ormerod - its a ripper. 

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What the scientist said is in direct quotations. Children born in 2000 are now 13 and do know what snow is.

yeah profile but they probably know it by another name...pick one and ask a 13 year old

Coke Crack Crystal Big C C-dust Blow Paradise white Pearl Flake Baysay Base Candy cane White girl White horse Zip Baseball Tardust Gutter glitter Wacky dust Weasel dust Bubble gum

 

Yay and Yayo........................................
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"Double CO2 and get 1.2 degrees of warming big deal."

 

Shows how profoundly ignorant you are of the science.

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Thanks I'll add profoundly ignorant to the list. Perhaps you're confusing radiative forcing with feedbacks? Radiative forcing of 1 degree per doubling is the basic physics and is undisputed. The feedbacks are where the chicken littles have a field day but can't provide the empirical evidence to support catastrophe only models and dud prediction as above.

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Don't forget all the other big porkies you denialists have come up with over the years, here's a sample just to remind everyone the pathological state of denialists:

 

Antartica is cooling so global warming isn't happening!

 

Global Warming stopped in 1998!

 

Polar bear numbers are increasing!

 

The oceans are cooling!

 

It's all down to cosmic rays!

 

 

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I dont think its cooling and never stated such. Your first four examples can be backed by empirical evidence so are not controversial. However catastrophic sea level predictions in 100 years from now is just speculation.

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#9 See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8 for "The best scene in one of the greatest movies of all time".

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#7 "This is consistent with the finding that leaderless groups have a natural tendency to elect self-centered, overconfident and narcissistic individuals as leaders, and that these personality characteristics are not equally common in men and women."

 

Men are more natural leaders, everyone observes that. It's a laugh watching the Feminists try to inforce man bans [ all in the name of Democracy and Freedom of course ] in order to artificially pump up the number of women in power hoping it will lead to an overthrow of their hated sworn enemy the "Patriarchy".

 

 

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Who needs feminists , man-bans , and quotas , when women like Helen Clark / Julia Gillard / or Maggie Thatcher will arrive from their own hard fought efforts , and totally hog the lime-light at the top ...  ....

 

.... as NZ Labour are now finding , Helen sucked the vital-spark out of them ..... she was so far dominant .... now they're flapping around like headless chickens , waiting for those old chooks in the union movement to tell them who're suitable candidates for the party leadership ...

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No ...they won't  GBH...no flapping....no chickens...the dog is off the leash....Cunliffe will be installed ...or they will be defeated again...without doubt .

 The deputy will be the problem....Robertson has to go, no place for bridge building, a connundrum for Helen given her penchant for high profile gays.

 She doesn't want Cunliffe ,but he's their best shot at it no question.....so I guess she'd be looking to have a roller in the caucus ....so, efectively Cunliffe has two obstacles...one to win  two to remain.......gruby business indeed.

Soundbite of the week was Mistress Paula Benifit saying   " Not Cunliffe, that's all I know or have heard " that's fear talking there.

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Too late - the Greens have already defeated Labour and probably themselves as a consequence - voters will go with National barring a catastrophe - A Green /Labour coalition will not get the necessary support  - a single leader is a must and a committee of two sharing power won't cut it.

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Yes Stephen H ...Norman has done the business for sure in at least challenging  key with timely thoughtful debate and barbs post announcements......but , and this is a big Butt, if Cunliffe gets the numbers ( and I mean more than just the party faithful ) he will come out swinging with both axe and branding iron.

 He (Cunny) is only too aware the party has an identity crisis....caused largely by that crossover to the Greens on Social policy and advantaging oppressed fringe minorities.

On the Norman clash it's hard to say whether Cunliffe will look to distance himself from the cosy agreeable status Shearer enjoyed to his detriment.

I don't see Cunliffe as one to share the stage unless it clear who is in the supporting role  and it's not him. Being more of a centerist will be inclined to focus more on the financials and less on the pandering to the fringe.....kind of what Norman has become to the Greens with slightly bigger balls.

 It will be interesting for sure , but he's got to get the nod first....and Aunty Helen  will really have to choke that down before she'll endorse it....if he were a bit gayer he'd be in like flynn, if he were a man to value the feminine input more ...again in like flynn...but he's not you see.

What I will forecast is he'll be more than a match for Key (debating), and God help Key if he slips up because  trust me he will bring it without relent....

 On that note , Key leaving a little to much on Joyce's plate knowing how to pump an overachiever.......is in the process of his own demise....and that's no joke Joyce..! 

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Somwhat light there in analysis I think especially given your bias, a wee bit of concern and wishful thinking perhaps?

Green's have taken some of the real left vote. I will agree their % doubling is at the expense of Labour.  That leaves Labour on or about the centre where the swing votes are, you only have to look at the poles to see Natioanl has no huge lead.

Cunliff is pretty good, Norman excellent, so two bright ones..V JK...Mana in the game.

It isnt over til the fat lady sings as they say. 

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Bias perhaps the wrong word there Steven, but understandable how you reached the conclusion.

 Firstly if you remember, I did a screaming rant they got it so so wrong the first time by installing Shearer who effectively had no chance of winning from the get go, this is where I bring in Robertson, who not only threw his considerable weight behind Shearer but was influential in the ongoing style of Shearer which ...just wasn't working...was it now.

 So why on earth would you replace someone with someone else who helped shape the demise of the party in the polls.

 My main ambition is to rid us of Corporatism run Amok via Key and his peconcieved agenda's.

 We may be run by the Australian Banking system covertly, we may empower Corporates such as Fonterra to the detriment  of the qualities that made New Zealand ...special....partially unspoiled, and that may be how it is, but the longer Key remains the more so it will become....it is after all all about the money ...and progress to a Corporate think is a bigger bottom line at any cost to the big picture.

I don't think for a moment Cunliffe has all the answers to where we are at, but I think if there is a need to regulate he will have the stomach for it, and yes his ambition is extreme and ambition is prone to price.

I'm thinking Shane is probably a better deputy, but potentially polarised by the fem vote....so maybe Jacinda might be the smart choice by cacus.

 Stay well Steven.  

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I was replying the Stephen and not yourself BTW. 

Anyway your comments on Shearer, are interesting, thanks.  If RB has indeed been instrumental, that doesnt bode well and no Shearer never worked, need charisma, smiling detah has that superficially.  Internal fighting, well I recall in the 1980s that really, good old Maggie T won mostly because I think UK Labour had lurched to the hard left and made themselves un-electable (MIchael Foot era etc)  It took a lot of effort by Neil Kinock  to clean up Labour after years in the hole....Tony Blair benefitted.

"Corporatism run Amok" indeed, however loopy left is just as bad...neither are addressing our pending huge issues.

"that made New Zealand ...special" totally agree and its that very image that they trade on, yet wont maintain, ludricous IMHO.  I also dont think Labour have much heart in looking after NZ's image either, the different set of vested interests will want exploitation, its just teh $s go in different pockets (maybe).

Cunliffe, indeed best shot...the Q is how long would he be "given". Maybe JK will get another 2 terms while Labour disintergrates, ugly.

regards

 

 

 

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Agree, "fear", quite possible Cunnliff is certianly the best  of them.  Not sure why you see Grant R going? but Im not up on labour politics.

I do think this is Labour's one chance to win....Im not confident they'll get it riht though.

regards

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So the sea levels are gonna rise 5 to 10 metres ....... YIKES !!!

 

.... hmmmmm , that implies lots of extra ocean volume ..... bucket loads more , meebee several olympic sized swimming pools more sea water around the planet ....

 

This could be serious ..... at those expanded levels , there's a lot more room for lobsters to breed up .... ga-zounds , do you undestand the international implications of this news Bernard ....

 

..... this is just the tip of the tail of the great crayfish price scandal .... " The War on Extortionate Restaurant Pricing of Lobsters"  has begun .......  pass the lemon-butter , big guy .... tah ...

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Another cause of leaky homes!

cheers

Bernard

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as the warmer oceans turn acidic lobsters etc wont be able to form shells, never mind think of the easier access to food, eh?

regards

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Here's a good telly of job losses this month from The Standard ( ok they are a bunch of Man Banners, but doesnt mean they cant do basic math )

 

Thanks for the Brighter Future,  Mr Keys:

 

180 jobs set to go at Air NZ – union

New Zealand’s biggest airline will shed 180 jobs when it closes a maintenance facility in Auckland, a union says.

Solid Energy to cut 90 more jobs

With the loss of a further 90 jobs at Huntly East, the total positions lost at the mine since the company hit financial difficulties last year would be brought to 153.

More jobs to go in smelter revamp

New Zealand Aluminium Smelters yesterday proposed to axe more than 30 maintenance jobs at the smelter.

AgResearch boss on Invermay job cuts

Jobs at Invermay will drop by three-quarters to 30 from 115, and 180 jobs will go from Ruakura, near Hamilton.

120 jobs to go at Westport cement plant

Holcim has delivered another body blow to the West Coast, announcing today the closure of its Westport cement plant within two to three years.The 120 staff were told the news at meetings this morning.

100 call centre jobs to go

The Engineering, Printing & Manufacturing Union says a call centre company plans to cut about 100 jobs in Auckland.

Jobs to go at Sitel’s Auckland site

Almost 150 staff at the New Zealand arm of global contact centre company Sitel have been told their jobs are under threat.

Work and Income regional jobs go

Thirty-five jobs will be cut in an overhaul of Work and Income’s regional offices, prompting claims from Labour that the changes will increase the workload of busy frontline staff.

Matamata jobs go in Metso closure

The Matamata division of global processing industry supplier Metso is to close in December with the loss of nearly 30 jobs.

Telecom earnings lift after year of big job cuts

Telecom has reported adjusted earnings of $342 million in a year where it moved to restructure its business and cut about 1280 staff.

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Why follow them when you can get more objective data on job losses here

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/job-losses-reported

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Yes, good on you David........that must get annoying at times.....the links to competitor sites I mean....a bloody liberty is what it is......the odd one ok... but free promotion needs to have a definitive boundary set ...

 or it's just  bad form ...really..! disrespecting the host I mean.

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"the links to competitor sites I mean....a bloody liberty is what it is......the odd one ok... but free promotion needs to have a definitive boundary set"

 

What are you on about? Its one good reason I read here, is the interesting comments and their links to various other sources. Especially when it comes to the Top Ten.

 

"free promotion needs to have a definitive boundary set"

 

I put heaps of links to interest.co.nz on The Standard as well before I got banned for daring to contradict the feminists, lol.

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David - your data might be objective, but the the data supports the wrong thinking and conclusions:

 

" ... the dark side extends to convincing onlookers that all is well. Worse, it gives permission for politicians to sit back; assured they have nothing extra to do."

 

http://www.johnwalley.co.nz/229-success_has_many_fathers.aspx

 

Les.

www.nzmea.org.nz

 

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P.S. Bernard thanks for the Slane cartoon....it's a good'n 4shore.....n c- bed.....

Tough year for the big F.....ha ha, things that make you go.

mmmmmmoooh ooh...ooh....oh..oh...ow..ouch...aaaaarghhh...ha ha.

 But that's the price of progress eh...?

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