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Reserve Bank Governor refuses to say whether he wants a second term; frames RBNZ's five-year inquiry report due in late 2022 as independent lesson-learning effort

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Reserve Bank Governor refuses to say whether he wants a second term; frames RBNZ's five-year inquiry report due in late 2022 as independent lesson-learning effort
Adrian Orr at press conference
Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr talking at the Aug 17 MPS. Photo by Lynn Grieveson for The Kaka.

Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr left his own future hanging in the air at the August Monetary Policy Statement news conference on Wednesday, refusing to answer any questions about whether he wanted a second term or whether his critic's should or will have a say over his future.

However, he suggested a detailed response to the critics and assessment of the central bank's performance would be published before the end of the year from an inquiry including independent overseas experts. That would be in time for a decision to re-appoint that may assuage the concerns of the Opposition, who are currently on track to be in Government as Orr's boss in just over a year, with over four years left in a second term for the Governor.

The clock is ticking for the Reserve Bank board, Finance Minister Grant Robertson and a potential National Government-in-waiting over whether Orr deserves or should get a second five-year term before it expires in late March next year.

The heat over what would normally be a routine and apolitical decision has intensified in recent weeks because of the trenchant criticism of the Reserve Bank's performance over the last three years under Orr, and a call for full independent inquiry from the National-led Opposition, who could be in Government only months into Orr's second term. That creates the potential for a dangerous standoff between the operator of monetary policy and the operator of fiscal policy.

Orr's predecessor as Reserve Bank Governor, Graeme Wheeler, a previous Reserve Bank chairman and grandee, Arthur Grimes, ex-Deputy Governor and Acting Governor Grant Spencer, and previous Reserve Bank Chief Economist, John McDermott, have all publicly criticised the bank's performance under Orr. They have argued it should not have kept printing $55b through late 2020 and 2021 to push down longer-term interest rates, and that it was at least partly responsible for inflation surging to 7.3% this year, well outside the Reserve Bank's 1% to 3% target band.

National Leader Christopher Luxon called last month for a full independent inquiry into the Reserve Bank's creation of a "tidal wave of cash" that he argued had fuelled the surge in inflation. He pointedly refused to say whether Orr should be re-appointed, saying he wanted the results of an independent inquiry first. 

Finance Minister Grant Robertson rejected Luxon's call at the time, describing Luxon as "Captain Hindsight" and saying he had confidence in Orr. Robertson also said he was working with the Reserve Bank board on the issue.

However, Orr has yet to say publicly whether he wants a second term. The issue emerged last year when Simon Bridges, then National's Finance spokesman, said he would oppose Orr's reappointment in the period shortly before the 'caretaker period' in the lead-up to an election.

Orr had not been in a position to answer questions publicly about the issue until Wednesday's Monetary Policy Statement. 

He was asked if he wanted a second term or had sought reappointment.

"I don't think that's something we should talk about. Why? Because I don't make that appointment," Orr said.

Asked what his own view was, given the board didn't decide whether he would reapply, he said: "I don't want to talk about it."

Asked if he didn't know if he wanted to be reappointed, he said. "I don't want to talk about it. Any other questions?"

A Reserve Bank-review alongside the Five-Year remit review

However, Orr made a point of specifying that a review of the bank's performance would be released publicly by the end of the year as part of the first once-every-five-years review of the Reserve Bank's new Monetary Policy Remit, which included a requirement to support full employment as well as targeting low inflation under changes to the Reserve Bank Act in 2018.

Luxon has called for the removal of the full-employment requirement.

Orr talked in the news conference about a two-step process in the five-yearly review, with an initial report including independent comment from overseas experts due before the end of the year, before a final review of the Remit early next year.

The overseas-expert-included review was painted as proxy for the independent review demanded by the Opposition. The Reserve Bank of Australia is currently facing its own independent review, which was ordered by the new Labor Government under Labor Treasurer Jim Chalmers.

Orr was asked if the review including overseas experts had been created after the Opposition's criticism. He denied that, saying it was included in the June 1 announcement of the legislatively-required five-yearly review, although was not a central part of the announcement.

"We are the most transparent central bank internationally. We offered that up free of charge in advance of recent statements. There's two legs to it. The first one is the remit itself. And part of that is a review of our monetary policy actions over the last five years. So that was announced publicly quite some time ago," Orr said.

The review by overseas experts was mentioned six pages into the consultation document with the five-yearly review, thus: "Alongside the Remit review, the Reserve Bank will undertake and publish a review and assessment of the formulation and implementation of monetary policy in the previous five years, which will be subject to external review."

Orr admitted the two-step process including the review by independent experts may not have been obvious to all.

"I know it's confusing because a review of monetary policy and a monetary policy review sound remarkably the same. So that review is of monetary policy of the past five years is part of that remit review. We are going to issue them separately so that people can have clear minds and focus because the first part that we'll put out is a review of our monetary policy activities," Orr said.

"We hope to have that out in full public glory. The second part would be our recommendations to the minister on any changes, if any, to the monetary policy remit. That second part will be in the new year."

The overseas review would be released before the end of the year. That would give the board and Robertson time to assess a second-term decision.

RBNZ Assistant Governor Karen Silk said former Reserve Bank of Australia board member Warwick McKibbin and former Bank of Canada Deputy Governor Larry Schembri were the overseas experts for the review.

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Independent review......really....

Cannot answere simple question on public platform are taking cover behind review as they already know......

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Sail on... - from the Commodores:

"Sail on down the line
'Bout a half a mile or so
And don't really wanna know
Where you're going
Maybe once or twice you see
Time after time I tried to
To hold on to what we got
But now you're going

And I don't mind about the
Things you're gonna say, Lord
I gave all my money and my time..."

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I might be the only one here who doesn't despise Adrian Orr.

Unlike certain politicians, I actually believe Orr when he says that he's being transparent. For example, he's said multiple times that New Zealand is a price taker, not a price maker, when it comes to international markets. That's another way of saying that his hands are more or less tied when it comes to monetary policy. He just has to respond as best he can to what's happening in the rest of the world.

I don't necessarily agree with the actions he's taken - in fact, for the record, I strongly disagree with most of them - but I don't think he's had any real choice. It will be interesting to hear his views if and when he ends his term as governor, and whether or not he's prepared to be a bit more candid about New Zealand's monetary policy decisions over the past few years.

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He had a choice when it came to the Funding for Lending programme and removing LVR's.  

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Yes, but the alternative might have been worse, at least for those who matter (i.e. the people who think they own property, and the banks who actually do).

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It was blatantly obvious what the outcome would be at the time.  The alternative would have been rather than using increased private mortgage (lifetime) debt to prop up the economy, the Government would have had to provide additional stimulus by other means as required.  

Why did this stimulus need to pass through a commercial bank?  

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Everything our banking regulator does is designed to benefit the banks. It's called "regulatory capture". Just look at the recent assignments of people like Paul Conway (ex-BNZ) and Karen Silk (ex-Westpac). Getting rid of Adrian Orr isn't going to change anything.

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A bit like how we have a former Prime Minister that pretended a housing crisis did not exist and once ANZ's loan book reached a certain size (during his 8th year) his position on the board was ready.  

Well I guess as long as Paul and Karen have cut all ties with their old acquaintances at the respective banks, then there's no potential for conflicts of interest. 

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You see conspiracies all over the place nzd. Next you will be running for council on the VFF ticket. I don't so much mind their views as I do their methods

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Yeah you're probably right.  

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A bit like how we have a former Prime Minister that pretended a housing crisis did not exist and once ANZ's loan book reached a certain size (during his 8th year) his position on the board was ready.

Until very recently, Team Cindy also pretended a housing 'crisis' did not exist. 

Can you see a pattern of behavior? 

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Yes there's a pattern, and I'll equally call her out if her actions (or lack of) coincidentally result in her being appointed to a high up position within an organization that has benefited greatly from said lack of action.  

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Chebbo a couple of points; "despise" is too strong a word. I would say most people are frustrated. When he first arrived in the role he looked very much like a breath of fresh air, with a different view and outlook and the courage to be different. Unfortunately we have learnt that that 'breath' was just one very short and shallow one, before he just joined the herd. In part I agree that NZ is not a price maker, but I do not think this is totally true. We are still a sovereign nation known for higher quality exports, with a great deal of respect across the world for what we do and have achieved. That means there is the scope for our leaders to be innovative and courageous to build this country's resilience while building our international relationships. But instead we see our leaders cower to the almighty "markets" of the 'free market' globalised economy, without the willingness to stand up for what we are and need. So yes Orr is and was a huge disappointment, but in the end he wasn't alone. He did it in league with the government.

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And whoever replaces Orr is going to continue on down the same old path, just like Luxon will follow Ardern to the disappointment of many who think that you can vote someone out without voting somebody else in. I can fully understand the disappointment - I feel it myself - but it's not necessarily the individual at fault.

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Chebbo, his grand experiment of driving the OCR towards negative territory in 2020 was entirely his own choice.  If he couldn't see that it would leave him with little 'wriggle room' if things didn't go as he envisaged then that must be his responsibility alone, not some consequence of offshore factors.

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Yes, I agree, driving the OCR towards negative was a mistake. That lead to a property price frenzy, and it now leaves very little wiggle room, presenting the following dilemma:

a) raise interest rates and cause a financial crisis like in Ireland 2007-2014, starting with mortgage defaults (already beginning); or 

b) keep interest rates low and cause higher consumer price inflation. 

It is a dilemma that the FED is also in (we are a price-taker, not a price-maker).  However, there are a key differences between the FED's position and that of the RBNZ: 

1. The U.S. had much less of a housing bubble up to 2021, especially after their shock of 2007ff. 

2. The U.S. has much more of a real economy (industry, etc.), compared to ours (a housing market with bits tagged on).

So, simply following the FED's aggressive rate hikes these days is a poor choice, in my opinion. It may collapse our financial system and bring ruin to our country. 

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Yes I totally agree with you here Markus.  Because of Kiwi's obsession with housing and home buyers seeing the opportunity to jump onto or move up the 'property ladder' when Orr dropped interest rates and gave the trading banks untold amounts of money to dish out, I think we have a lot of vulnerable households out there.  With high employment demand at the moment the ultimate downside for over-geared property owners hasn't come to pass.  The problem with continually raising the OCR (and presumably lending rates will keep roughly in step) is that eventually these overstretched households will have to tighten spending which will obviously hurt local businesses.  With a very uncertain global economy there is also no guarantee that our export sector will be able to fill the breech to keep everything ticking along either.

So, I agree; the ORC is probably about right as it now is and further increases may risk overdoing the desired dampening effect and send us well into recession.

 

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Robbo will want to reappoint Orr , as Adrian has done everything the government wanted : flooded the system with money , embarked on the largest QE programme in our history ...

... and , following his leader , Orr has deflected blame for the resultant rampant inflation on everyone else in the world ... Putin ... China ... supply chains .... energy prices ....

Robbo is right , Orr is right : the rest of the world got it wrong ...

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Adrian would feel his time isn't finished yet I suspect

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Yes, I am afraid your point is correct, GummyBear Hero. This is why I firmly believe it would be in the best interest of our country if the current government was to step down and call a snap election.  Alas, that is unlikely to happen, unless the U.N. steps in, perhaps, with some job offers.... That would be great for everyone. 

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Orr has deflected blame for the resultant rampant inflation on everyone else in the world ... Putin ... China ... supply chains .... energy prices ...

So has Robbo. And Cindy. 

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There is a constancy of attitude when it comes to Robbo, Orr and Wokester: they all are equally ready to blame anything and anybody else for their dismal failures and gross incompetence. It is high time to replace the lot. 

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If you're on the fence regarding Orr's performance, I suggest you read this 

 

https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/08/16/an-expanding-empire/

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Ah yes, a review by "independent overseas experts" who were all following the same policy course, and for whom a negative review of the RBNZ will criticise themselves by extension.

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I've been involved in M&A activity where the reserve bank under Orr has demanded certain people be fired in the company before they will approve transactions. I hear from people inside the RBNZ that how politically correct you are, the colour of your skin etc is more important for promotions than performance, meanwhile a whole lot of senior leadership is leaving. Most high performers in finance I know are not interested in working for the RBNZ in its current form, hard to regulate the market well when the best people aren't interested in working for you. 

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Yes Cooev, I just don't know how pakeha tolerate only being 99% of the extended leadership team. Their Te Ao view is entirely symbolic and with no substance whatsoever.

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/about-us/our-people/our-leadership-team

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The probably picked the leadership team on their skills and merits from the pool of applicants rather than the colour of their skin?  Do you have a list of suitable Maori candidates that applied for a job at the RBNZ and were unsuccessful which you can share with us?  

You claim their Te Ao view is symbolic, but maybe adopting this view will encourage more Maori to study hard and aspire to be a part of these organizations instead of expecting a job given to them by quota.  

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I raised it in response to the posters assertion that promotions were based on skin colour, that's pretty obvious & I wouldn't have expected I needed to explain that. There are numerous well-educated finance professionals with Maori heritage, you literally want me to name them? 

 

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My statement is more to point out that perhaps instead of focusing on politics, the reserve bank should focus on inflation as should be its only mandate. I'm pretty confident if the bank was putting the best people at the top and focusing on their primary directive we wouldn't be as far up shit creek as we are. Having spoken to a number of the people who've left the reserve bank, they seem to concur. I'm not sure meeting diversity quotas is really that important when your economy is in the tank.

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I tolerate it like I tolerate Maori occupying 50% of KO housing, 60% of emergency housing and having rates of infanticide 4x (IIRC) higher than non-Maori. I'm more concerned about Maori violence, especially towards other Maori. I'm disillusioned by the number of kids with foetal alcohol syndrome. But Te Kooti, you just focus on the make up of the executive and under representation by Maori. 

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Pretty common through a lot of Government Departments Cooeev. Politics and personality usually play the dominant role. I have seen anti - white racism play a part but this is rare. Usually it is other factors that dominate. Performance doesn't seem to carry much weight if any.

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I'm not sure our economy will withstand a second stint with Orr in the drivers seat.

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If Grant Robertson hadn’t provided an indemnity for the reserve bank ( we pay) Adrian Orr would have bankrupted the reserve bank with the bond program. I think the losses are sitting around 8 billion dollars at this stage. Don’t get me started on the rest.

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