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A debt jubilee, universal basic income and regionalism rather than globalisation, are among Steve Keen's key solutions to the COVID-19 pandemic and resulting steep economic downturn

A debt jubilee, universal basic income and regionalism rather than globalisation, are among Steve Keen's key solutions to the COVID-19 pandemic and resulting steep economic downturn

A debt jubilee, universal basic income and the reversal of globalisation are three things Steve Keen wants to see in response to the COVID-19 pandemic and resulting economic downturn.

Keen, a professor of economics, describes himself as a staunch critic of the mainstream. He hit the headlines back in 2010 after losing a bet with Macquarie Group interest rate strategist Rory Robertson that house prices would sink by 40%. As a result he had to walk more than 200km from Canberra to the top of Australia's highest mountain, Mount Kosciuszko, and used the walk to raise money for a charity that helps homeless people.

Keen is currently hunkering down in southern Thailand during the COVID-19 pandemic. With the economic fallout resulting from the pandemic already becoming enormous, has the time come for unconventional economic ideas and out of the box thinking?

Speaking to interest.co.nz, Keen outlined some ideas he believes governments and policy makers should be adopting.

Firstly, Keen says, they should be implementing a modern debt jubilee now.

"It's quite feasible to do it [but] I never thought it would happen. People asked me what chance I thought this had of happening. I said it's less than a snowflake's chance in hell. We are in hell now and the only way out of hell, as well as getting a vaccine for the virus, is to reduce this burden of private debt otherwise we'll have a financial collapse after the coronavirus," says Keen.

The alternative, he argues, is mass loan defaults.

"You simply have to accept that debt can't be repaid when too much debt has been issued. So we have to reduce private debt and we have to do it now. [We] should do a debt jubilee now, not once we get through this crisis. Otherwise there'll be many people who can't pay their rent, as well as people who can't pay their mortgages," says Keen.

"If we do it now we'll enable the payments system to continue functioning. If we don't do it now then it's quite possible the payments system will collapse. Small businesses won't get any cash income, households won't get wages. Everybody will end up having no money in their bank accounts because that money will be used to pay off debt."

What Keen's advocating for is governments' capacity to create fiat money being utilised to distribute an equal amount of money per person across entire countries. 

"And people who were in debt would get their debts reduced, either by an offset account or by actually paying their debts down. People who are not in debt get a cash injection. And that cash injection can also be used to buy newly issued corporate shares which are used to pay down private debt. So as well as reducing household debt, you reduce corporate debt and you also democratise the ownership of corporations," says Keen.

There's more about a debt jubilee in Keen's blog here.

With unemployment surging Keen's also keen on universal basic income, or a guaranteed minimum income for all citizens.

"To have a functioning economy you have to have people spending money and most people get their money to spend from their wages. And that therefore means they're dependent on having a wage income. That's fine most of the time. But this is not most of the time. The only way we're going to defeat this virus is by an effective lockdown process. It could take, if it was done sensibly, as little as five weeks of lockdown to terminate this virus," says Keen.

"But possibly 70% of the population can't afford not to work for five weeks. Now, in that situation the only way to remedy it is to say let's use the government's money creation capability so that all the payments that are necessary, including rents and mortgages, can be made over that five week period and then we can get through this."

"What effectively happens is the economy's in a coma and we're expecting the cells within that body to continue functioning while the body itself is in a coma. It doesn't work that way," adds Keen.

A critic of globalisation, Keen's hopeful the post-pandemic world will be more regionally focused.

"Globalisation, thank god, will go into reverse because it was always a bad idea in the first place," says Keen.

Whilst pro-globalisation economists argue it's about efficiency and countries exploiting their comparative advantages, Keen disagrees. He argues that whilst workers can be retrained to switch industries, capital is not mobile between industries. Furthermore globalisation exploits low wages in third world countries even if this has benefited some countries, notably China.

"We've de-industrialised the West and now of course what do we need? Industrial capacity to produce, for example, ventilators which even America can't do sufficiently itself. So we have to go to a localised production system," says Keen.

He advocates for regions of the world that are big enough to produce most of what they need themselves, meaning less need for imports and exports with potentially a growth instead in the exchange of ideas.

"There's far less pollution from international trade, and there's also far less mobility for a virus to spread," says Keen.

Asked whether he was worried such a scenario could ratchet up competition between the world's major powers, potentially leading to war in a 1930s type scenario, Keen argues austerity not protectionism led to World War 2, beginning with the harsh repayments forced on Germany after World War 1.

"Go back to having a regional system, do it deliberately to enable one region not to infect another, in terms of diseases like the coronavirus, then it's done for a positive reason rather than a negative one of autarky which is how it's normally portrayed by conventional economists," says Keen.

New Zealand, he suggests, can be largely self sufficient and do well in such a scenario. He talks more about this, and other issues, in the video.

*This is the first interview in a series looking at reactions to and potential policy responses to the coronavirus pandemic and evolving economic downturn.

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313 Comments

Public is completely different from Private. Public writes and enforces the Law, Private does not; Private is subordinate to Public.
The whole idea of Keen's debt Jubilee is that the debt goes away.
There is a fundamental point here that Money can be created and destroyed. All Money is Debt. Debt can be created and destroyed.
"Where the money comes from" is one of the most important points to understanding this. Money is created by banks, by Public authority. Private banks create money by issuing new loans (your liability) that create new deposits (your asset). The Public bank, RBNZ, can create deposits (your asset) without creating a loan. The Public bank (RBNZ) can give out new money to pay off Private bank debt, which means the debt goes away.

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Let's see if the 'colour coded: blue' - willing to digest this, another non-bias Economic Professor input:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGrBCtOt4Qs
- by Prof. Jane Kelsey -
Before, the current Govt even need to dig further black hole into NZ economy by taking Steve's effect.
Interest.co.nz - I love your blue colour too, it's soothing, but try amber & green, it's easy for the eyes.

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Wasn't the UBI, the empty homes tax and CGT on residential housing which funded the UBI part of Gareth Morgans TOP party's agenda in the last election. So maybe just maybe we may see some of his ideas implemented by an elected government.

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Taxes on deemed income? I can't imagine a worse idea right now.

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You would have the UBI to pay that CGT on your home. If you have more than one property, yes you will have to pay some tax, but that's okay if youre making a profit you should.

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The NZ private debt to GDP charts Steve Keen shows at the very end of his interview are an eye opener. NZ Household debt to GDP ratio is amongst the highest in the world at almost 100% of GDP (up from 30% in 1990s). Most of that is mortgage debt, and it is simply unsustainable. Sadly, highly leveraged households will pay the price of that out over the next months and years. In my view, it is simplistic to simply blame borrowers - irresponsible lenders (banks) have as much or even more culpability. And also
reserve banks around the world, neo-classical economists and successive governments should also share some of the blame as their bone headed economic theories (ideology) meant they largely let it rip, kicking the can down the road.

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Business risk for the banks if they lose all! Time to tighten financial policy which was relinquished under Roger Douglas when the Lange Govt allowed the overseas banks to enter into the first mortgage market unrestrained. With unlimited funds they alone allowed the prices to increase year on year to allow speculators an investment opportunity for tax free profiteering on residential housing.

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Darwins theory was never about the strong surviving but about those who adapt the best become the strong.

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The more I read the comments the more I believe that a real hard hitting financial shock is the only way the property market will sort itself out and reset to a much lower level. It’s the only way that lessons can be learnt. It’s likely to be a worldwide reset..... and will likely be the most painful experience we are ever likely to experience in our lifetime. I don’t think it’s avoidable..... I can see this playing out over the next decade. We will all need to look out for each other.

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That is quite true. In the meantime, govt. attempts to bail everyone out may result in a dollar crisis, where not only property holders, but everyone loses. Hyper-inflation. It is already in place, just, no one is calling it out.

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"You simply have to accept that debt can't be repaid when too much debt has been issued. So we have to reduce private debt and we have to do it now"

Agreed - bank seizes collateral, and sells it to recover the debt (debt is then extinguished). That's how the system is supposed to work. It will be a painful period for some, but lessons need to be learned (and the 'hard-way' seems to be the only way that works as evidenced by the last 12 years).

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the writer, an economist, says " What Keen's advocating for is governments' capacity to create fiat money being utilised to distribute an equal amount of money per person across entire countries." what does this solve? nothing except makes a bad situation real nasty as we are not prepared to allow the over leveraged to deleverage, just keep inflating asset prices so to give the smart ones time to get out and the workers left with the burden.

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I suspect at some near point, govts of the world will 'discover' that the economy is more important than the virus. They will announce limited victory and pursue immunity by sending the herd back to work regardless. The economic suffering will outweigh that of the virus. After all, what use is free money if producers are not producing? People will also discover that 'free money' ... is ... not free. NZ is lucky and has done well thus far. We have fish, cows, sheep, milk, veg, water and low population. There will be a way ... if required ... but before that ... I suspect the 'money masters' will change tack, as after all, it is their 'great game'. The predominant push to get the people back to work will be economic. A debt jubilee - that might make sense but would be such a drastic change I doubt policymakers would even be able to come up with a simple definition. The 'money masters' trump the policymakers as they control the money, not the policymakers. There may be one or two ways to move forward - what we need is a leader to take us there, not a committee that would just run in circles.

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