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Labour's Goff attacks exodus to Aust under National, blames global recession for record departures under Labour

Labour's Goff attacks exodus to Aust under National, blames global recession for record departures under Labour

Labour Party leader Phil Goff has attacked the National-led Government over the exodus of New Zealanders to Australia over the last two years, but defended even higher rates of Kiwis crossing the Tasman under the previous Labour government as being due to the global financial crisis.

Goff's comments drew a response from Prime Minister John Key, who said New Zealanders should weigh up higher house prices and inflation in Australia when thinking of moving across the Tasman. Key also reiterated that the current government was building the conditions for businesses to create more higher paid jobs in New Zealand.

In a now-regular media stand-up on Monday afternoon, Goff said the fact 6,000 people attended an Australian jobs expo in Auckland over the weekend showed the Government was failing in its pre-election promise to stem the flow of Kiwis crossing the Tasman.

Migration figures from Statistics New Zealand show 36,830 people left New Zealand to live permanently or long-term across the Tasman in 2010, up from 32,755 in 2009. However this was still well down from 48,452 in 2008 and 41,634 in 2007 under a Labour government which governed from 1999 until losing the November 2008 election. See the second tab on the chart below for the net annual exodus across the Tasman.

"I think the difference [between the numbers leaving under National and the previous Labour government] is that was at a point when our country was at the height of the global financial crisis and we were more intimately affected by that than National," Goff said.

"We're now meant to be recovering from that international downturn, yet the figures show exactly the opposite. The figures aren't going down, they're going up," he said.

'Due to low building consents' and Key 'promised to close the gap'

"It's negative for this reason: That we have the lowest level of housing starts in this country in 45 years. Our building industry has tanked. We're building half the new homes that we need to meet New Zealand demand. And when we recover from this recession, we're going to find a huge shortage of skilled labour, of materials - an industry that's not geared up to respond," Goff said.

He was "of course" not happy with the amount of people leaving New Zealand under the previous government, in which he was Trade Minister, "but it was at the height of a global financial crisis".

"This was at a time where our economy was trending down, the Aussies had managed to keep their economy out of recession. Now we should be in recovery, and this is further evidence that we're not," Goff said.

"The big issue at the last election from John Key was that he was going to close the gap [between New Zealand and Australia]. That gap has got wider. It's got wider in terms of lack of employment in this country, as against employment opportunities across the Tasman, it's got wider in terms of wages going up across the Tasman and most people being worse off because of John Key's tax switch," he said.

'Real policies' needed not 'gimmicks' like cycle ways

Labour would reverse the situation with plans to get growth for jobs and growth in New Zealand incomes.

"Not gimmicks like cycle ways and job summits, but real policies that will get our economy moving," Goff said.

"We've talked about research and development - making sure that we can get a clever economy. That's what will keep our children employed in our country. About raising skill levels, instead of one in four of our kids going out of school and into unemployment. About a monetary policy that'll work for this country unlike the present monetary policy," he said.

Those were the basis of building a strong, export oriented economy, rather than one based on speculation, Goff said.

Key responds

Meanwhile Prime Minister John Key defended his government’s policies in the wake of Goff’s claims.

“[Overall] net migration into New Zealand has been strong – plus over 10,000 people, so  we’re gaining more people than we’re losing to the world,” Key told media at his regular Monday afternoon press conference.

“Even in terms of those going to Australia, they were smaller numbers in 2009, and [in] 2010 there were about 21,000 people net went to Australia. But that’s still less than say [in] 2007, 2008 – it was roughly around about 28,000,” Key said.

“The fact that people go to an expo, well that’s explained partly by the fact that their unemployment rate is lower than ours. So it’s understandable,” he said.

“But from that point of view, if you look at Australia, it’s an easy market for people to go to – you don’t require a visa.”

Australia had also been the best performing economy in the developed world.

“So yes it’s doing well, but it’s been the best performing economy, so it’s natural that some New Zealanders will shift over there,” Key said.

“Obviously we are trying to change the economic picture to encourage more New Zealanders to stay. If you look at our tax changes, it’s done that,” he said.

Speaking from experience; 'It's to do with China buying Aussie iron ore'

Key also said New Zealanders should weigh up their options before heading overseas, and that he himself had experienced high living costs while living in Australia.

“House prices are significantly more expensive in Australia, inflation’s running at a higher rate in Australia, the top personal [tax] rate cuts in at 45% - [in] New Zealand it’s 33%,” Key said.

"I think you’ve got to weigh all of those different factors up. There’s a lot more costs living in Australia. I lived there in 2001 and it was quite an expensive environment to operate in,” he said.

He defended the net migration outflows under his watch, saying the government was creating the conditions for businesses to create more higher-paying jobs in New Zealand.

"If you look in 2009 it was a large reduction [in net migration to Australia from 2008], in 2010 we’re back to sort of the 20-year averages. The truth of it is the only time that net migration between New Zealand and Australia has been positive, in other words more people coming from Australia to New Zealand than the other way round, was when wages were higher in New Zealand than Australia," Key said.

"So if you want to close that tide of people going across the Tasman you have to lift after-tax wages in New Zealand. We’re doing, I think, quite a good at that, given the conditions we face," he said.

"If you look at the terms of trade, which are driving a lot of the underlying wage growth in Australia, in New Zealand it’s been up about 30% on the back of commodity prices, particularly in dairy and sheep and meat sectors. In Australia it’s been 80%, so they’ve been big beneficiaries of China buying a lot of iron ore."

(Updates with more Key responses, including second video of Key)

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ummmmm, 2007 was before the GFC Phil!!!!!!! And we lost 41K to Aus that year

not too clever there mate!

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No he isnt....he's a useless little toadie....sanctimonious loser........

Hell would freze over before I'd vote for him....he has no idea.........

regards

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LOL Goofball got his wires crossed , the GFC only started after the collpase of Lehman Brothers in October 2008 , a few weeks before Labour was booted out of office in the November General Election .

The exodus to OZ under Labour was because of an increase in already high taxes to fund beneficiaries and WFF and a ballooning leftwing public service ,  a skewed economy driven by a property bubble , and attmepts to tell us how much water we could use for showering .

WE DONT HAVE SUCH SHORT MEMORIES MR GOFF 

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This is all good news! If JK was indeed ever worried about  'not getting a second term', then this sort of stuff must placate him. This Goff speech is, in effect, a mandate to National to 'get on with it ' and rebalance the economy; make a few nasty descisions etc. without fear of any political oppostion. Well, there isn't any, is there!

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How odd!  Goff clearly believes the electorate is stupid and have very short memories. Maybe he is right.

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I wish I had his ability to draw links between completely unrelated events.  I wonder if Japanese whaling is impacting crude oil prices?  Probably.  I wonder if voting for labour will mean a bright future?

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Have updated with comments from Key, including video

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Both are lying hypocrites who prove this everytime they open their mouths and demostrate their incredibly short term memories. Use your brains people. Even Egyptians now show us up as a nation full of useless silent complacent suckers when it comes to politics.

Make your point this election people and boycott the census & stupid popularity contest in November

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There are more comments from Key in now, including video of him telling NZers to weigh up their options - higher house prices and inflation in Aus.

It's also all because of China's demand for Australia's minerals

Surely if Australia is so far ahead, and we want to be like Australia, and the reason Australia is so far is ahead is because of its MINERAL WEALTH, then...

Oh no wait. We don't want any more marches down Queen street. Stupid idea. Let's just stick to making milk.

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both of them are goofballs

Key didn't even pick up on Goff's fatal error!

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Goff said "6000 ppl attending an Australian job expo in Auckland at the weekend show the govt is failing in its pre election promise to stem the flow of kiwis crossing the Tasman"

Aarrrh...is goofy saying that his ability to create a mess is greater that Keys to fix it, and is he therefore claiming some sort of victory...Gee Phil u da man. 

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I reckon it was house prices that drove younger NZers over the Tassie in 2007/08.  Aussie had lots of incentives for first home buyers and higher wages.  And if I recall correctly, they even upped the ante on that government assistance once the GFC happened (part of their stimulus).  Problem, of course, house prices just kept climbing - whereas here the stalemate (not up - not down - cause nothing was selling) took hold much earlier. 

 

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What do you mean "was"? It still is. The stalemate can be easily solved IF we had a government with backbone who actually wanted to solve it. But our government does not actually represent us and hasn't for decades. Just like the US, UK and Europe, NZ is run by Banks and government pander to them through the IMF who want NZ to do exactly what Greece is being told to do.

Sell all government infrastructural SOE's including hospitals etc and remove/ reduce or privatise all public entitlements where possible.

NZ of the future is here now!

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"Was" in the sense that now Aussie house prices are so highly inflated as well that many Kiwis wishing to purchase are staying put here (in other words the exodus has slowed) figuring our property bubble will burst before theirs - and likely in far more dramatic a fashion.

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Just had a yarn to MoneyMan regarding some of that:   by Justice | 14 Feb 11, 10:54pm  

Well, You know then that the Aussie banks borrow money mainly from Asia (HSBC) etc. This is why they only 'appear' solvent and sound. Truth is they are owners to a great deal of their own debt. Debt that is being supported by our own governments via the RBNZ and ARB via the OCR manipulation in THEIR favour to keep the NZ and Australian housing bubbles from really popping in one massive explosion.

Let's call it NZ and Aussie's very own "too big too fail" policy

The reality is they can only do this for so long before the shit hits the fan regardless. They are now providing false 'inflation' figures  to pretend they have it under control but anyone can see the REAL cost of living is going up FASTER  month by month. The CPI's are not really reflecting this due to the usual 'cherry picking" of data. The eventual OCR increase just keeps getting put further back ( now Oct they claim).

The WHOLE system is a crock!

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Also those in the mines are facing high costs of lving out in the middle of nowhere. Its a relativity game where their disposable income is not what is use to be.

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Time for  some real music

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGlX1BDgLBY

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Goff should get his facts straight and interest.co.nz should get the sound on video's sorted.

The housing boom/bust cycle started under Labor in 2002 and stopped in 2008 with the global financial crises. Now our land prices are way to high so people don't build. That's no surprise and not likely to change in the near future.

With the sound you could try plugging the mic into a standard mic jack instead of a usb port it works for me on utube videos.

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Exactly

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Hi guys, using a flip video cam (built in mic) in Parliament because it's easier for the stand-ups in the media scrum (Goff vid above). Still working on Key's Monday press conferences - there's no jack in the flip for an external mic.

Cheers

Alex

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FYI - remember an article a couple of months ago about some people by the name of Van Dyk who removed some gorse off their property - have a look at this one in Queensland - estimated cost $1 million to re-vegetate with 330,000 trees

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8210901

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As one of those that has chosen to leave New Zealand, I can say that neither one of these politicians is worth listening to. Labour started the rot with their skewed taxation policies, making property investment attractive from a taxation standpoint to those willing to borrow to the hilt & allowing the housing market to baloon out of reach for the rest of us. National then got in & did nothing. We've no regrets moving to Aussie. Yes, the cost of living is higher but not so high as to take the gloss off our higher take home pay & strong currency. Housing is expensive here too but the difference is Australia has an economy to support high values, New Zealand doesn't. The high values there are a result of kiwi's selling houses to each other with borrowed money. Where is the value creation in that?

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