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New Zealand faces a potential immigration tradeoff if a free trade agreement with India is to be achieved

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New Zealand faces a potential immigration tradeoff if a free trade agreement with India is to be achieved
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Coalition government leaders are expected to face a head-butting contest between immigration policy and trade policy during the remaining 31 months of their administration.

That's because the big prize of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with India could require greater migration inflows at time when the Government is moving to reduce New Zealand’s net gain of migrants.

The problem is not urgent, since actual negotiations have not yet begun, nor is it clear when they will start. 

But the Government has said it wants to double New Zealand exports within 10 years and wants to reach an FTA with India in its first three-year term.

About three quarters of NZ trade is covered by FTAs already.  There are two significant prizes that could boost that number.

The first, with the United States, is regarded by virtually all trade experts as unattainable due to political gridlock in Washington.

The remaining significant option is India, which is now the world’s fifth largest economy. It grew year-on-year by 8.4% in the December quarter and is forecast to grow 7.6% year-on-year in the March quarter.

This rate of growth is predicted to make India the world’s third largest economy by 2035,behind only China and the US.

Ahead of becoming prime minister after last year's election, Christopher Luxon said achieving an FTA with India would be a major strategic priority for a National Party government.

"India provides a massive opportunity for New Zealand. There are reciprocal opportunities in a number of areas including foreign direct investment, employment opportunities, educational exchanges, and definitely for trade," Luxon said.

Since then, the impetus for a trade deal with India has eased off, even though Ministers have continued pushing strongly. 

One cause of delay is believed to be fierce protests by farmers in India in 2020 and again this year. Although their marches were not aimed at NZ, a common theme was protection for small farmers against large conglomerates, and an opposition to free trade. 

The other complication is that elections in India begin later this month, so major foreign initiatives have been put on hold.

But a trade expert at the coalface who interest.co.nz spoke with remains optimistic, and puts prospects of a successful FTA with India at “greater than 50%."

And speaking in his post-cabinet press conference on March 11, Luxon said he would "be looking to take a big trade delegation there in the back half of this year."

The immigration quandary

Up until now, one of the problems to be overcome has been the expectation of greater rights for immigration from India into NZ.

This was also an issue for an Australian version of the same process, the Australia-India Economic Co-operation and Trade Agreement. That deal, signed at the end of 2022, gave immediate tariff-free status to 85% of Australia exports, and increased that percentage over time.

It also opened up working holiday arrangements for Indians in Australia. In subsequent talks, the Australia-India Migration and Mobility Partnership Arrangement was announced, which would “promote the two-way mobility of students, graduates, academic researchers and business people,” according to the Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.

There was subsequent criticism in Australia of this agreement, suggesting it could make population planning difficult in Australia, and could also undermine a visa fraud crackdown that got underway later.

Like Australia, NZ's also experiencing very strong inward migration. In the January year NZ recorded 257,200 migrant arrivals. After 123,300 departures, an net migration gain of 133,800 was recorded. That's the highest annual net gain on record, according to Statistics NZ. At 51,000, Indian citizens were the largest migrant arrival group. 

 

Earlier this year Immigration Minister Erica Stanford told TVNZ’s Q+A programme, NZ could not have current levels of immigration year after year.

“What I want is to understand what our absorptive capacity is, to make sure that our hospitals, our schools, our infrastructure, are working with immigration to make sure we have better long-term planning,” Stanford said.

Speaking to reporters last week, Stanford said work was underway to deal with this, and papers on this subject are due to go to cabinet in the coming weeks.   

Over the weekend, as a first step, Stanford announced immediate changes to the Accredited Employer Worker Visa scheme. Among other things Stanford said the changes were designed to; "help manage numbers and pressures on core infrastructure, such as schools, housing, and the health system."

With India the biggest source of migrants, any attempt to bring down total numbers appears almost certain to affect arrivals from India, which could be at variance with Indian demands during FTA talks. Stanford is for now refusing to engage in this matter.

“That’s all speculation at this stage, since nothing has been put on the table, so I can’t comment,” she said.

If and when these issues are finally clarified, National's NZ First coalition partner could be an extra problem. The party has long railed against high immigration, and wants New Zealanders to be at the front of the jobs queue.

In its coalition agreement with the National Party, it wanted to establish a category of essential workers and to ensure Immigration New Zealand is engaged in “proper risk management and verification to ensure migrants are filling genuine workplace needs.”

The party leader and Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters, dismissed potential complications from an FTA in a similar way to Stanford, saying it was “hypothetical, given no negotiations are underway."

The dairy dilemma

If and when the matter is cleared up, the push for immigration into NZ could be even greater than into Australia, since NZ is seeking access for dairy products, which did not form part of the deal India made across the Tasman. 

Despite all these arguments, opinion varies as to how much immigration rights into NZ will be a do-or-die matter for India in the long run. 

One sceptic is the veteran trade expert Stephen Jacobi. He wonders whether the Indian Government will make a resolute stand on this matter, because it might come to believe that too much emigration could be harmful to its own economy. According to this argument, the supply of skilled workers within India would be depleted by emigration, while the availability of skilled workers in NZ would be enhanced.  

NZ has a similar problem with Australia, with some of our skilled workforce, trained at some expense in this country, transferring across the Tasman, presenting Australia with skilled workers free of charge.

Countering this is stark data from the International Labour Organisation (ILO) which was released last month, highlighting high levels of unemployment among graduates in India. It found educated youths have experienced much lower levels of labour market participation. 

Looked at another way, the unemployment rate among graduates was 29.1%, nine times greater than people who cannot read or write. 

One reason for this is that many graduates are seeking Government jobs which are in short supply.

This problem raises the possibility that an Indian government could court popularity by raising the chances of young people winning increasing chances of employment abroad. 

Pressed for further details on when all this might come to the fore, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) officials would only say that officials will sit down "in the coming months to discuss the wider economic and trade relationship."

”We would like to strengthen collaboration across the board," they say.

"There are opportunities for us to work more closely together on areas including people-to-people connections and business cooperation, defence and security, climate change, education, tourism, sports and cultural links.”

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Given the dreadful problems that we now face from immigration we need to be cutting it to near zero, not expanding it.  What has immigration from a trade partner got to do with reciprocal trade.  What are the motivations of a trade partner to flood a partner country with their citizens?  It can have nothing to do with trade and everything to do with gaining control through colonization. Is that what we want?  Are we that stupid?   Seemingly yes. 

One thing is certain is that it would be far better to start negotiation from a position of zero immigrants from India instead of the present completely open slather situation.

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Agree. You should never enter into negotiations for any deal unless you are prepared to say no and walk away. And if India don't want a trade-only deal, then we should make it clear NOW that we would walk away.

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My wife has family links to the subcontinent who concur that NZ has got its immigration settings terribly wrong and appear to have majorly attracted the wrong calibre of Indian migrants into the country in the last decade and a half.

We should be embarrassed of the sheer stupidity in policymaking on the part of the previous government and awful handling of the system by MBIE, but insinuating that a foreign power may have influenced it is quite a stretch.

An article from a few weeks ago said 3 migrants getting work visas approved in November to work for an employer that went into liquidation two months prior.

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Thanks.  I can understand you thinking that.  The question of ethnicity people are raising here is a bit distasteful and totally beside the point.

With Kiwi families so shockingly deprived of homes, in all but exceptional cases, we should not be letting in immigrants from any where; UK, USA, South Africa, Canada, Europe, anywhere.  I have never been to India, but my understanding that it encompasses a wide range of cultures, from the Christian south,  Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims ...... .  Before the British it was just a bunch of separate principalities and small national groupings.  India like a few other countries is just the product of an arbitrary colonial consolidation, so stereotypes apart from anything else are misguided.

You are right about where the blame lies.  You cannot blame any uneducated person from a poor situation coming into NZ if they are given the opportunity.  There would be something wrong if they didn't.  It is not their fault.  It is ours.  We need to take responsibility for our own foolish actions. 

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I concur. The left brings up arbitrary concepts such as "melting pot" in migration-related discussions and the right wants low-wage workers to profit from while passing on the social costs to the broader population.

The way forward should be for the government of the day to come up with a sound migration/skills/population plan and draft visa policies accordingly.

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I agree that the left don't want to touch this issue as it's an ideological minefield for them so buzzwords we get, however your interpretation of the right seems more like leftist propaganda to me if we're talking about the majority. I believe what the right want is simply less government interference in the free market. In other words, let the market decide what someone is worth and not the government.    

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Previous governments, plural. Same racket.

The fraudulent PTE rort of many migrants was shameful indeed.

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Of all the cultures I've worked with all over the world, it is Indians who take the cake when it comes to outright bare faced lies. Certainly not all. But for some, when they've made a mistake, the lying comes out to save face, even when faced with irreputable evidence. Just say, sorry, own up to it, eat some humble pie, and move on - even if that means to another job because their CV was a work of fiction.

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We need to be careful that we don’t stereotype people of an ethnic group.
However,  there are definitely significantly different cultural values between those in India and New Zealand. 
Of all the countries I have visited (probably 80+?) India is the one where one needs to be continually on guard. As a tourist one needs to be very sharp in most interactions. Ghandi said there is an Indian price for cotton products and another for the English; that seems to be a very vigorously and strongly held lore today. 
(Those who don’t trust real estate agent talk really need to visit India to harden up 😀)

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I've a friend who lived in Ghana, said they would agree on a price for materials to build a school and when the bloke arrived with the truck to their village demanded double, then left when they refused to pay it. No understanding of the value of building a business relationship with a client that has good prospects for profit, only the quick rip-offs to make short term cash. What a bizarre way for said man to view business.

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NZ also has local & tourist prices, eg DoCs charges for Great Walks, as do many other countries 

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@ChrisOfNoFame, broad-brush racial stereotyping like that is not something we welcome in interest.co.nz commenting.

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If u reread his post.... he was not making broad based racial stereotyping .  

As far as I can see.... he was simply sharing his anecdotal experience of working with different cultures.

We seem to be so sensitive to perceived negative racial comments.....??  

Commonsense would suggest there are many cultural/racial biases.....   

eg..  I've noticed that many Japanese are very polite and very careful not to offend....   Is that good or bad ?    The negative of that is that it can be "two faced"... ie. they are hiding their "truth"...which then becomes a "lie" in the outer expression of politeness....etc...

I dont have a problem with Chris fames' comments....  Matures adults probably take it as anecdotal comments rather than racial slurs......Gareth...

 

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I think it crossed the line.

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Yip. 

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Reply to Roeloef, One racist defending another, how objective of you. 

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Could say a great deal of negative things about middle aged , and younger, european heritage males... but won't as would be a generalisation, mean and unhelpful.

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Very different culture, and very good negotiators in the short term (from their point of view). I certainly hope our negotiators are able to lock in long term actual penalties to reflect that. I wouldn't be doing a deal at all, on the basis of uncontrollable risk.

As a contrast, maybe we could send in someone from the other end of the negotiating time frame like a battalion of Maori negotiators (who think in centuries).

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Lol- I am glad they piss you off. You sound like a moaning dick🤣

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Chrisofnofame- where do you live? 

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maybe take a break from the internet for awhile buddy

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Not your buddy, you will get over it

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That's because the big prize of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with India could require greater migration inflows at time when the Government is moving to reduce New Zealand’s net gain of migrants.

Perhaps ask the people how we feel about that!!!!

If I want a holiday in Delhi I'll go there. 

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Ask the people how they feel? Come on bro, even old anti-immigrant Winston has given up on that ... preferring instead to worry about where you and I take a piss (while he continues to take the piss, of course).

Maybe it's third (fourth?) time lucky for TOP if they could regroup with a core focus being on slashing immigration to a sustainable level while we catch up on infrastructure. The current lot won't do anything meaningful about it, and Labour haven't got a leg to stand on seeing as they've made the problem even worse. 

Nothing wrong at all with immigration to fill genuine skill shortages. I had an operation last year, and my surgeon was from the UK, most of the nurses were from the Philippines, the nurse who ran me through the induction was Czech if I recall. I received superb care and I'm glad these people are living in NZ, contributing. 

I doubt the average punter has an issue with this type of immigration (although there is the wider issue of how do we actually train and retain our younger people to do these jobs for us where possible) but you only have to take a few Ubers at Auckland airport and get talking to see that people somehow are coming here to work as an Uber driver, or go to the supermarket and see how entire departments that used to be staffed by high school and uni students have now been replaced with immigrants ... society isn't going to collapse without these people, but our infrastructure might collapse with the added weight of them. 

For whatever reason our leaders have lost the ability to properly differentiate between actually valuable immigration (nurses, doctors, surgeons etc) and then the others who place a drain on public services but probably aren't contributing more than they put in. 

 

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Winston Peters will dog whistle any issue that will get votes. 

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Rastus I feel good. 

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What exactly do we have that we can sell to India? We already have markets for everything that we produce and India is unlikely to pay higher prices for them and we have little ability to increase their production further. We would do better to concentrate on the countries which we already have trade deals with, the UK could be a big market for us as it was in the past. We also need to move away from low value commodity products and into higher value manufacturing.

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And Labour wanted to reduce our farm exports by 25% to combat climate change so we would have even less of what we currently sell overseas. I think the only thing NZ has to sell is immigration - "NZ, we farm people".

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Or somewhere closer, like indonesia.

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They are a HUGE dairy consumer. And rapidly growing middle class looking to spend on anything and everything 

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One thing India WON'T have on the table is dairy! The only thing we with be selling is our citizenship.

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Our environment is already suffering from the present levels of dairy production and there is nothing stopping India from buying our products now if they really wanted them.

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Agree  about higher value manufacturing - we are well over due  to re industrialise where we can. Get some decent jobs and skills.

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78,000 homes to be built for Apple workers in India

The tech giant’s partners are planning to develop housing similar to China’s ‘iPhone City’, according to reports

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What is the immigration quandary? Everytime a Kiwi emigrates to India then we add one to the quota for Indians immigrating to NZ.  Every time a Kiwi buys a home or business in India the same applies to Indians being permitted to buy in NZ.

Not racist because it should apply to all countries such as Brits (myself) and PIs (my wife). Possible exception with Australia.

Just a fair go.

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Completely impractical and unnecessary.

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NZ should look to a zero net immigration policy. As the biosphere degrades and resources run out a small population is the only survivable option!

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North Korea of the South Pacific

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North Korea 14.35 births/1,000 population (2021 est. )

South Korea 4.5 births/1,000 population (2023 est.) 

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First decide our desired population.  Only once that is established, work out the immigration policy from that.

I vote for limits on population.  A set upper number.

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As an immigrant from India, I personally find it distasteful when individuals in credible public forums make derogatory racial comments or start arbitrary subjective debates concerning history about which they have zero knowledge.

I concur with some of the commenters that limiting low-skilled immigration is an absolute necessity and strategy must be overhauled to draw in high-skilled people while offering easy conversion of their overseas qualifications from reputable institutions.

Given that agriculture is India's largest source of tax-free livelihood which is highly influenced by local politics, it is highly unlikely that the Indian government will agree to a dairy-based free trade agreement that would benefit New Zealand. Unless a creative solution is identified, such as simpler cooperation between academic institutions and dairy companies, wherein New Zealand provides its scientific expertise and Indian land is used for larger-scale farming for global exports. India and Israel, I believe, have comparable arrangements. A traditional FTA template may not work. 

P.S. If you want exposure to top Indian equities, you might want to look into the ASX ticker NDIA (not a certified financial advise).There is a significant upside for Indian equities.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/09/indias-market-cap-can-easily-jump-ten-f…

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Are you surprised. Remember the reaction to co-governance in NZ.

Racism is everywhere. Next time you are in pbtech take a look at the racial mix.

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The racism inherent in co-governance is the problem, not the reaction to it.

Introducing & conflating co-governance with the comment in this thread is wilfully disingenuous.

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Not the same. Shared interests under the treaty.

My preference for co-governance is that it reduces the risk of our assets being sold to overseas interests.

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The Treaty has no principles, partnerships or co governance/government. It clearly states that everyone has "the rights and privileges of British subjects".

You are willing to abrogate NZs democracy because you think there's a risk that you might not agree with the decisions the democratically elected govt might make in future.

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Instead of Dairy, IT should be the basis of FTA with India. NZ is favourably positioned time zone wise to service the US market with software services. Indian IT Engineers and Managers are well known for their expertise. NZ should develop Software Parks with Indian IT professional migrants to cater to US. Win Win for both countries.

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The UK has become the worlds 4th biggest exporter and built on its service sector. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1886543/kemi-badenoch-uk-export…

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