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Carbon offsets are a mix, some official and others unofficial, and certified to different rules. This creates confusion in the market place

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Carbon offsets are a mix, some official and others unofficial, and certified to different rules. This creates confusion in the market place
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Carbon offsets are fundamental to New Zealand’s greenhouse-gas policies. However, not all offsets are created equal. That sets the scene for all sorts of games to be played, with winners and losers. This is further complicated by marketing ploys that can lack transparency as to what is actually being bought and sold, and where the credits have come from.

Understanding something about carbon offsets is fundamental to understanding the current drivers of forestry in New Zealand. Offset rules also lie at the heart of whether sequestration credits have official status.

At an official level, carbon offsets in New Zealand operate through the Emission Trading Scheme (ETS).  Within this scheme, emitters purchase credits that have been allocated by Government to other people as a reward for sequestering carbon, typically through carbon forestry.

The current price for those credits, set by supply and demand in the market place, is about $85 per tonne of carbon. 

However, there are other carbon units that are available at much lower prices. Not surprisingly, businesses that wish to claim carbon neutrality as part of their marketing stance prefer to purchase these cheaper units if they can get away with it.

Many people learn from experience that when it comes to buying articles on the cheap, you usually end up getting no more than what you pay for.  If the units are cheap, then it is fairly certain that they are not of the same standard as the official units.

My starting example is Air NZ, which operates an optional system where travellers are invited to purchase carbon offsets for their air journey. 

At the Air NZ website, I decided to calculate emission data per person for a flight from Christchurch to Brisbane and return. It is a trip I have done many times.

The allocated emissions were 411 kg and the cost of offsetting these was $9.98. So that equates to a cost of $24.28 per tonne compared to the ETS price of around $85.00. So where is Air NZ getting its cheap offsets from?

I failed to get a clear answer from their website, beyond the statement that they purchase the credits from an international group called Climate Impact Partners (CIP).   On the CIP website, I then found lots of public relations statements about how CIP is a group with integrity, but I failed to find anything specific as to where the credits might be coming from.

Air NZ also says that 75 percent of the Fly Neutral funds that it collects from flyers are allocated to New Zealand biodiversity projects. However, Air NZ also says these biodiversity projects do not count towards carbon offsets. The unstated reason is that these projects sequester minimal carbon.  

This would seem to mean that not all of the $9.98 for that Brisbane trip would have been used for offsets, implying that the purchase price for the offsets that were purchased would have been considerably less than $24.98 per tonne. Mmmm!

There is also uncertainty as to the accuracy of the 411 kg of emissions.  I asked the same travel question on the Toitu Envirocare website, which is a subsidiary company of Crown Research Institute Landcare Research, and their calculator came up with 766 kg of emissions.

Accordingly, my current perspective about the Air NZ scheme is that it is opaque and needs questioning. I am sceptical as to the extent of reduced emissions elsewhere on the planet if I had opted in to this scheme. And for the record, I did not opt in on my last flight to Brisbane.

My next exploration was to see how Silver Fern Farms (SFF) achieves carbon neutrality under its ‘Net Zero Beef’ programme for grass-fed Angus beef, marketed initially in New York and Los Angeles.

For this to be possible, the supplying farmers must be sequestering considerable carbon to offset the inevitable greenhouse gases emitted first during the pastoral process, followed by emissions during the transportation of the animals to the slaughter facility, followed by overseas transportation of the packaged product to its overseas destination subsequent to processing by SFF.

SFF refers to their beef project as ‘insetting’ rather than ‘offsetting’, because there are no purchases of offsets from outside the integrated farm to plate business. The big unanswered question is how has the sequestration been calculated.

Within the ETS, and for situations where the sequestration is to be counted by New Zealand in its reports to the UNFCCC, the sequestration has to be something that is in addition to ‘business as usual’.  This means with indigenous vegetation, for example, that any regeneration needs to have commenced post-1990. Otherwise, the sequestration is regarded as ‘business as usual’. The only exception might be if it could be shown that there was a new and dedicated pest-control programme on pre-1990 forests, thereby increasing the sequestration above what would otherwise occur.

This raises a key point. There are many situations where sequestration is ‘real’ but it is not UNFCCC compliant. This is because that sequestration is simply a case of nature taking its natural course as a consequence of pre-1990 decisions and actions. 

This issue of sequestration that is ‘real’ but not UNFCCC compliant appears to lie at the heart of an offsetting scheme being promoted in New Zealand by recently formed and allied companies CarbonCrop and Carbonz. I have been getting enquiries from farmers about unsolicited approaches from these allied companies saying that pre-1990 forests on their farms might be capable of earning credits under a CarbonCrop certification system. Carbonz would then sell the CarbonCrop credits to international companies that wish to offset their own emissions, with this offsetting typically being for the purpose of marketing claims. 

The founder of Carbonz is Finn Ross, part of the Ross family who founded vodka company 42Below. The Ross family now owns Lake Hawea Station, which has been widely reported as having gone beyond carbon neutrality to now being carbon positive. Presumably this was using the CarbonCrop methodology. (Update: see note at end of article.)

There are large numbers of international companies that now need to find these or other carbon offsets to justify their marketing claims. As just one example, Nestlé has committed publicly that, one way or another, its KitKat products will be carbon neutral by 2025.

The complication relates to whether an offset, if it comes from pre-1990 forests, actually leads to any more carbon being sequestered. KitKat purchasers may get a warm feeling from believing the chocolate they are consuming is carbon neutral, but is that really the case?  Would there really be a new tree somewhere on the planet sequestering carbon, or an older tree actually sequestering more carbon, as a consequence of Nestlé buying these carbon credits? Or would those trees just be sequestering what they were always going to sequester?

Here in New Zealand, questions can also be asked whether most of the carbon being sequestered in post-1990 exotic forests is really ‘additional’. Most of these trees were planted in the 1990s at a time when nobody was factoring carbon credits into investment decisions. However, rules are rules, even if not always logical, and these forests have indeed been accepted as UNFCCC compliant.

There are also intriguing parallels between the CarbonCrop methodology and some aspects of the He Waka Eke Noa (HWEN) proposals put forward to Government by rural industry groups. The HWEN proposal is that farm-level sequestration that does not fit within the ETS should be eligible within HWEN.

I am on record as saying that sequestration within HWEN is not going to happen. That has made me less than popular with some industry leaders who have put a big stake in the ground on this one.  However, and quite simply, the government is not going to have two different official sequestration systems, one within the ETS and one within HWEN, and each with its own set of rules.  The Government will not want to be associated with any sequestration system that is not UNFCCC compliant.

However, putting that issue aside, the notion of a voluntary scheme for indigenous sequestration, particularly for existing regeneration and with the credits sold internationally through a voluntary scheme, will be very interesting to farmers. Only time will tell what price can be obtained for these non-compliant credits, which despite being internationally non-compliant by UNFCCC rules, are indeed genuine sequestration.

A fundamental issue to reflect upon is that wherever there are conflicting criteria by which carbon credits can be earned, there is great scope for confusion, together with marketing games that can be played.

My parting comment to those who think there are simple solutions to these carbon-credit conundrums is that, whenever someone thinks there is a simple solution to a climate-change or greenhouse-gas issue, then the chances are that the problem has not been understood.


Update 26/9/2022:
Finn Ross advises me that the Lake Hawea certification undertaken by Toitu preceded the formation of CarbonCrop and therefore was independent of CarbonCrop. My understanding remains that the methodology used by Toitu at Lake Hawea and the methodology now used by CarbonCrop are based on the same principle that all ongoing growth of pre-1990 forests is eligible. 


*Keith Woodford was Professor of Farm Management and Agribusiness at Lincoln University for 15 years through to 2015. He is now Principal Consultant at AgriFood Systems Ltd. You can contact him directly here.

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Interesting. I think I should spend the afternoon making up pretty certificates of carbon sequestration complete with a nice picture of my native forest, and auction them on trademe. Some marketing department of a NZ business will happily snap them up. Win win.

Maybe list some on ebay too.

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... I hope you do ... maybe the offset to that will be less productive farm land converted to Radiata pine carbon sinks ...

Reducing food production in order to reduce emissions  : is it just me , or , is this really truly monumentally idiotic ?

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Nah its not just you - and it is truly idiotic, especially if you think about the bigger picture where CO2 is a plant food that we need more of

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go tell 95 % of the worlds climate scientists that they are idiotic then . 

 

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Dont need to  - they have yet to prove that the increase in global temperature is caused by rather than corelated to the increase in CO2 

But it has definitely been proved that CO2 is needed by plants to survive and

definitely proved that plants will grow faster and bigger if CO2 levels increase further (and actually thereby absorbing more CO2)

But hey what would I know as it appears that only "climate scientists" know the answers 

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G-y - that's just self-justification.

The CO2 in question, was locked away underground for longer than we have evolved. We are ADDING it to our habitat (which is also the habitat of every life-form currently present. That means we are CHANGING it - and if the envelope moves too far, we will DIE off.

I took to shouting because I suspect a hearing impediment.....

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I ain't deaf, we AIN'T changing it in how we 'evolved'.  Crikey 60 million Buffalo can't be wrong.  No critical thinking anymore, even on this website.  We will die off with an experimental gene therapy way before too much CO2 (which we need to survive).  I am shouting, stop the alarmism.  Now, just stop it.  Billy Gates keeps buying up farmland.

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Pollution from burning fossil fuels is a problem. You wouldn't run a Ute in a enclosed space it would kill you.  Fact we bought over 60 million new cars last year. Forest that covered the earth burnt or felled. Farmers cultivate annual crops, depleting sequestered soil carbon. Our atmosphere is retaining heat fact. Are you interested in critical thinking? Or business as usual?

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I agree. The following article really puts things into perspective: http://polyconomics.com/memos/mm-981201.htm

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General consensus amongst scientists is that increases in CO2 is causing warming.  Plants don’t like the extreme weather patterns which will increase with warming (droughts or storms/floods), so we should plan to reduce CO2 emissions.

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Global greening has put that pet theory to the sword. Plants love CO2 and global warming. Global greening doesn't fit with the we're all doomed, buy this EV and eat bugs narrative.

"Here we use three long-term satellite leaf area index (LAI) records and ten global ecosystem models to investigate four key drivers of LAI trends during 1982–2009. We show a persistent and widespread increase of growing season integrated LAI (greening) over 25% to 50% of the global vegetated area, whereas less than 4% of the globe shows decreasing LAI (browning)."

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004

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Have you heard a lot of forest is been planted, or preserved , to sequester carbon ??? Could there be a link ?. nah , doesnt suit . 

 

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Yeah a 4% link bro - if you're lucky. You're welcome. All that tree planting has barely a discernible result. Our pine tree planting is a waste of time in comparison to global factors. "Factorial simulations with multiple global ecosystem models suggest that CO2 fertilization effects explain 70% of the observed greening trend, followed by nitrogen deposition (9%), climate change (8%) and land cover change (LCC) (4%). CO2 fertilization effects explain most of the greening trends in the tropics, whereas climate change resulted in greening of the high latitudes and the Tibetan Plateau. LCC contributed most to the regional greening observed in southeast China and the eastern United States.

...The fingerprints of nitrogen deposition and LCC effects on the trend of LAI remain confounded with internal variability and cannot be clearly detected"

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004

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Profile well put

Does appear to have touched a nerve for some of the more sensitive and dogmatic of the "climate change is man made" community

They wouldnt really be important except they are trying to screw over the poor by driving up the cost of food and energy

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I am quite sensitive , idiots make me angry , I'll go and have a chamomile tea.  

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Grattaway,

"But hey what would I know as it appears that only "climate scientists" know the answers" Well, you invite ridicule and deserve it. The answer clearly is, not a lot. Would you apply the same "logic" to medical matters say?

Try and get this into your head. CO2 is a heat-trapping gas-basic science and known for over 150 years(see Tyndall) and we know beyond doubt that it is increasing(see the Keeling Curve). It is certainly true that climate science has only evolved over the last few decades and there is much still to learn, but the basic science is settled. As a little project, you might like to have a look at the World Glacier Monitoring Service.

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So LL you believe everything the doctor tells you!

Sometimes I get a second opinion and sometimes I do my own homework

Yes I believe the world is warming  - so we need to be ready for it - and the proposed solutions are million dollar issues for my business so we do our own research some of which includes the use of very reputable climate scientists. And we will keep doing our homework as knowledge continues to accumulate. And I stick to my position that the increase in CO2 is not the problem

and none of this is actually related to the big issue which is that the speed at which we are using the planets resources is unsustainable   - so switching to carbon neutral anything is in my view greenwashing at its worst

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Damn straight, we’re consuming like the proverbial turkeys voting for Xmas, underpinned by our reliance on releasing hitherto locked up paleo carbon representing tens of millions of years of sequestration with the subsequent effect of dramatically changing our contemporary atmospheric composition and associated impacts.  

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"Very reputable climate scientists"? So you have sniffed out some quacks that tell you what you want to hear, vis a vis the lowest cost for your business. Sounds like a great plan for averting global catastrophe, as fairy dust, rather than CO2,  heats the planet.

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Hopefully not the same majority of scientists that told us all a certain health measure would stop us all from getting, transmitting, hospitalised or dying from you not what.

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Let me think for a moment? Are medical specialists the same people as physicists specialising in climate? I'm only guessing here, but probably not. To test the theory, seek out a climate specialist and ask them to check your prostate.

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Eureka!

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GBH - why the 'or'? Seems to me there is no mutual exclusivity there....

Trampling all over the biodiverse planet to produce food to grow one species' numbers exponentially - was idiotic. And it's going to bite us in the bum.

How about some serious contributions to the debate?

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OK ... I'd rather chew on a potato than on a radiata pine 4 be 2 ... Serious  enough ? ... 

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Gummy - Keith in previous articles has pointed out the carbon sequestration by grass etc not currently counted but should be addressed if a future on farm scheme is proposed as seems likely. Another issue is the reduction of fertilizer use  dueto regulation and cost and the knock effects on production volumes especially dairy on spongy soils in S Canterbury and the effects on international prices/inflation and NZ export returns. Complex area with little apparent understanding by Govt or Ministries and all at  a time of global chaos and a looming global food shortage.

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Food shortage.  No way, the USA with their alluvial plain could produce enough food for the world and have enough left over for Putin to feed his army.  In NZ we could feed 50 million people and live a good life style.  Global chaos created by who?

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Good luck feeding 50 million when the phosphorus runs out. I would have said oil, but judging from your moniker, you're probably an abiotic oil fan.

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Keith which problem has not been understood?

The political UN driven one or why CO2 is seen as a problem

Because politics aside we here in NZ are likely to be worse off from the rorts than from any environmental impact our schemes might have

 

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"Carbon offsets are fundamental to New Zealand’s greenhouse-gas policies."

Reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) stories of medieval theologians debating how many angels could fit on the head of a pin ... 

Surely we need to be focusing on reducing emissions?  Not making an allowance for one's we're going to continue to emit?!

Offsets are such a waste of time.  They are an excuse to do nothing.

They are like trying to buy insurance after your house is already on fire and the brigade is on its way.

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RE the angels on a pin thing, because I weirdly like that kind of thing... Christian theologians (specifically medieval scholastics) consider angels to be disembodied spirits, that is rational souls (they can think and do) but lacking a body. The questions then arise: can such a being can be said to "be" anywhere in space; can they all fit in the same place; etc. The "fit on the end of a pin" actually comes from a pun: how many angels can dance on a needle's point? Did you catch it? Needle's point == needless point — does it really matter? But there is actually no evidence that theologians ever put much effort into these questions: Thomas Aquinas did indeed write about this very topic, but there's no evidence anyone ever cared to debate it, and this phrase actually comes from early modern Protestant sources attempting to disparage that form of theology, who ironically therefore spent more time debating it than the people they were accusing of the same crime.

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International flights need to be brought into the offical carbon schemes.  hopefully the next COP will address this. 

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It is more like a medieval Christian indulgence. Give some money or act of service to the Church and all your sins are forgiven.

If you have the money, this is much easier than actually stopping committing sins. 

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Pretty much. If you're wealthy enough you can just absolve yourself of climate sin.

Want to jump on that first class flight to the Seychelles for a much-needed break from your lifestyle of excessive consumption but worried about those pangs of guilt? Not to worry, just buy your carbon indulgence credits and you're good to go.

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No one feels guilty - AirNZ carbon offset uptake was around 0.6% of seats last time I looked. So probably no one but James Shaw doing it.

It's bumped up to 1%. James must have been busy. 2019 - 175,000 flights out of 17.6 million. A non event.  People just don't seem to be acting like it is an emergency.

 

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Looks like air NZ needs a major investigation into how they are calculating and marketing carbon credits. 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018858378/a…

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It basically sounds like fraud by air nz.

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And AirNZ's connection to National is?

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Honolulu direct.

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Irrelevant!

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Both local and international companies are playing this game - hedging GHG contingent liabilities through purchasing rights to questionable quality offset instruments on voluntary markets in far flung places. Even Shell is offering 'environmental products'

We've currently go a CO2 price high enough to drive land use change, but not meaningful behaviour change or industry transition in some sectors

Meanwhile

  • NZIER have forecasted that the price of CO2 must reach $272 per tonne in NZ for the right price signals to get to a net zero economy,
  • Europe is experiencing a 500 year drought
  • Parts of the USA a 1200 year drought
  • 1/4 of an entire country is underwater because of extreme weather, with some areas of Pakistan experiencing 800x normal annual rainfall
  • Polar regions experiencing +8 to +40C higher temperatures than normal

What would need to be true for these abject failures from market based responses to results in a habitable future?  

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We have a summer and a winter before the next election. Maybe one or both may have some climate extremes that may convince politicans they can do something meaningful , and still win the election. 

But in the end, It is us the voter who decides. Can we kick the carbon emitting habit(s)???

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What we need to do to solve this is load a bunch more hot air-expelling politicians and policy wonks into the pointy end of the plane so they can get together and "raise awareness" ... somehow that will work this time. 

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There's a huge amount of backroom work done for any small agreement the COP talks manage, so I wouldn't belittle the workers too much. Politicans will always be politicans , but again , we vote for them .   

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Any NZ agricultural land that has trees planted on it will only ever offset the carbon emissions that were produced when the original native forests were cut and burned.

Not a single gram of fossil fuel produced carbon will ever be offset by planted trees. The only way to solve climate change is to probably go full horse and cart either voluntarily or not...

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Trees only truly become offsets when those trees are cut down, replaced by a new tree and the carbon in the recently living tree protected from microbial degradation.

It's only in creating new carbon sinks that we reverse the effects of fossil carbon.

There's only 7 types of negative emissions technologies. It's not rocket science to deploy the nature-based ones. The difficult part is doing it with most benefit to society and minimal energy and materials input

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Not only confusion in market place. It's the biggest scam out there. Can't understand how people don't see this. 

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It's ridiculous policy, actively harmful for the environment and won't do a thing to reduce emissions, and will make us poorer by reducing productive land area.

It would probably be no more harmful to let wilding pines loose on crown land and let the government claim the revenue.

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I want to fence a few steep areas and plant around 1 Ha of Native trees. I don't have the money. If any one wants to pay for it, in order to feel better about flying and driving their car, then please let me know!

Perhaps local schemes would be better, as people could enjoy seeing the trees that they paid for within their own communities.

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Heard of Trees That Count? 

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I tried a couple of years ago but they said they were over subscribed and couldn’t help. I will give it another go.

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You don't need money. You go into a piece of remnant native forest, scoop a small bit of soil, take it home and start pricking out the seed. Then you germinate them, pot them, wait until they are big enough, and plant them. A hectare isn't much....

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Lots of natives are insanely easy to propagate and a good size for planting the next autumn - I've had good success from seed with cabbage trees, kanuka, karamu and puriri, some are close to a metre tall by planting time. Also, if you have areas of natives you'll often find groups of multiple seedlings that you can dig up and repot - things like pittosporums and kawakawa. My bark garden has many rewarewa and kauri seedlings from nearby mature trees, they get dug up also.

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You are overthinking this Keith, it's simple when you can make up the answer first to suit whatever figure you can get away with, and then make up the question to fit.

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Australia’s carbon credit scheme ‘largely a sham’, says whistleblower who tried to rein it in https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/23/australias-carbon-c…

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I have 15 hectares of pre-1990 regenerating native forest.  I don't think the rules allow it, but I can't see why I can't claim the carbon credits for the additional carbon that is being sequestered?  I would understand if the forest was mature and little or no new carbon was sequestered.  

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You have to show you have done something to sequester extra carbon, above what the trees would have done if left alone. Pest control or fencing could count with one of the alternative schemes, but not ETS as far as I know.

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What gets us native bush owners is that left alone the forest would have largely disappeared by now - areas that aren't managed are actively losing carbon.

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We make life complicated don't we!

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A good summary of the situation.

IMHO many of these offset schemes are so shady its not funny - it horrifies me that some of our larger industries are using this "stuff" to brand themselves and they may/will get found out and cause huge damage to themselves once exposed. I have many friends who deal in/run really good internationally certified schemes and they are even more horrified than me!!

Whether you like it or not, rightly or wrongly, forest offsets will happen and will be used. The NZ ETS is probably the highest rated forest offset in the world - its hard to get in, hard to stay in, hard to comply etc etc so it has credibility.

Farmers need an avenue to claim what is real outside the ETS as well but it has to have credibility and standing. Anything without that will end in a disaster for the industry. 

At the same time you need to realise a few scattered trees are not much - Forests are simply warehousing carbon and what you see is what is there in volume - if theres not much forest theres not much carbon. You cant graze it, burn it, spray it etc etc.

Remember its a give and take system - if you gain it you get paid, if you lose it you pay it back - it has risks as well.

As with most things in life you get what you pay for. 

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"offset the inevitable greenhouse gases emitted first during the pastoral process".  Yes, its called the carbon cycle & is offset by the pasture they ate which sequestered carbon in the first place to grow.

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The whole bloody power grab that our  traitor leaders have signed us up for is just so much woo-woo. Carbon dioxide is plant food.

This is a taxation system imposed by foreign powers, dressed up in fancy clothes. It is global corporatism, aka fascism. Climate  hysteria is propaganda.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2021/11/05/118-private-jet…

 

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In theory it would be great for the ETS to handle all sequestration on farm instead of HWEN. Unfortunately, the reality is that NZ has opted for a far more restrictive definition of a forest than Europe and most of the world. It is very hard to get small areas and, in particular plantings integrated with pasture, recognised by MPI. I have planted over 8000 willows and poplars since 1990. There are 6938 alive now (I have counted using satellite imagery). These will have a total canopy area over 100 hectares when mature. Less than 10% of this area has been accepted into the ETS.  

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In theory it would be great for the ETS to handle all sequestration on farm instead of HWEN. Unfortunately, the reality is that NZ has opted for a far more restrictive definition of a forest than Europe and most of the world. It is very hard to get small areas and, in particular plantings integrated with pasture, recognised by MPI. I have planted over 8000 willows and poplars since 1990. There are 6938 alive now (I have counted using satellite imagery). These will have a total canopy area over 100 hectares when mature. Less than 10% of this area has been accepted into the ETS.  

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In theory it would be great for the ETS to handle all sequestration on farm instead of HWEN. Unfortunately, the reality is that NZ has opted for a far more restrictive definition of a forest than Europe and most of the world. It is very hard to get small areas and, in particular plantings integrated with pasture, recognised by MPI. I have planted over 8000 willows and poplars since 1990. There are 6938 alive now (I have counted using satellite imagery). These will have a total canopy area over 100 hectares when mature. Less than 10% of this area has been accepted into the ETS.  

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Sorry everyone, I am new & was looking for new comments at top of list

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Hi Dave for wide spaced poplars etc you just need to work out where to place some extra poles and it then fits into the ETS. Done it for lots of farmers.

Just be aware there is a wide spaced poplar willow table coming out later this year by the sounds which is likely to see a reduction in carbon as the current tables are based upon highly stocked euc stands 

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Hi Jack,

I have done the work locally: 20sph will achieve 30% canopy cover even on dry sites. MPI want 60sph, this is too many to maintain a dense pasture and allow visibility to muster stock. Sparse pasture increases surface run off of soil. European standards are 10% canopy cover to qualify as a forest. For a successful integrated regime I need a farm that is still workable and I want reduced sediment.

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