Reserve Bank Assistant Governor Karen Silk isn’t a shy person and she’s more than comfortable standing her ground.
That’s why she doesn’t have any issues with the Reserve Bank’s new approach of making the votes of Monetary Policy Committee members public when consensus hasn't been reached between them over Official Cash Rate (OCR) decisions.
“I don’t have a problem with it at all,” Silk told interest.co.nz. “Everybody’s very comfortable with it.”
On Wednesday, the OCR was left unchanged at 2.25% in the Reserve Bank's May Monetary Policy Statement (MPS). But there was a split vote of 3-3 between the three senior RBNZ staff on the committee, who voted for a hold, and the three external members who voted for a 25-basis point increase.
RBNZ Governor Anna Breman, as chairperson, had the casting vote which meant the OCR was held.
For people on the outside looking in, the split vote was a hot topic. But speaking to interest.co.nz on Friday, Silk said May's meeting wasn't really any different to other meetings they've had.
"Attributing views hasn’t changed the dynamics in the meeting at all.”
'The vibe in the meeting was really good'
And in terms of openness, it was a really good committee, Silk said.
“The process that we follow around sharing our views, information, [and] challenging each other. It’s all really courteous. It’s respectful. But we certainly have very open conversations and nobody’s concerned about holding back in terms of expressing their views.”
Silk said committee members feel comfortable with each other.
“We’re talking about a series of issues. We’re not challenging individuals. We’re challenging and discussing some really deep and complex matters so the vibe in the meeting was really good.”
She said May’s meeting was good, open and respectful.
“It shows a lot of respect when you can actually come to a point where all of us can go, ‘actually we’re really comfortable with saying we have a difference of opinion around some of these things’.”
Asked when it became apparent that a casting vote was needed, Silk said you don’t get to that point until the end.
“The process is set up for us to try and reach a consensus outcome and it’s only when you get towards the end that you are going ‘actually no, I feel very strongly about my position and I don’t think that any argument against it is going to make me change my view or that I’d feel comfortable with a slightly different perspective’, and we don’t formally vote until the morning of the meeting.”
Still a lot of consensus
Despite the split vote, Silk said there was still a lot of consensus as well. There was consensus on the economic forecasts and on the forward guidance through the OCR track.
What people had differences over was the timing, she said.
"That came down to what were people’s judgments around whether we were seeing early signals of more embedding of inflation versus ‘actually I just want to prevent that and so the earlier you go, then maybe you could do that’ versus ‘we’re already seeing a weak economy and a tightening in financial conditions, and maybe that's enough to say we don't need to go just yet.’”
What all committee members agreed on though, she said, was that if they were going to see more inflation coming, they’d have to lean into it.
“And that’s why you do see an upward sloping OCR track.”
'Fantastic if this just ended up as something which was transitory'
Asked if the conflict in the Middle East ended tomorrow there was a chance the OCR could be held in the future, Silk told interest.co.nz: “That’s a possibility. Our forward guidance, which is the OCR track, is at a point in time based on what we know at that point in time.”
But there was another six weeks until the next meeting.
With ongoing conflict in the Middle East, who knows what would happen or when it could end, she said, but over the six-week period, the Reserve Bank should hopefully get a better view.
“We’ve got another six weeks until the next meeting. We’ll have more data,” she said.
"It's uncertain and we're trying to make sense of it on the way through."
Silk said: "Even before this happened, we were forecasting a gradual drift up ... The thing we would love to see is to see that more positive change happen and this economy get back into a recovery."
"We were clearly [seeing] in the first quarter of this year - the economy was recovering. It would be fantastic if this just ended up as something which was transitory, and the economy got back on track again."
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"It would be fantastic if this just ended up as something which was transitory, and the economy got back on track again."
I’m quite concerned with statements such as these from the RBNZ.
All I see from the their language is hope in the midst of a changing world order. Wishful thinking, which does not bode well for confidence given their track record at reading the room.
Dr Breman claimed to have a mandate to be hawkish on inflation, yet as the deciding vote is pushing the opposite. Is she pushing us into another catchup cycle?
And theres that transitory word again
It's the constitution. It's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe... no, that's it, it's the vibe.
We're still suffering from the last lot of reserve bank beach boys and their 'good' vibrations
It’s a bit different this time, the economy is already very cool (pretty damn icy in the big cities). So the RBNZ have to choose between adding more people to the dole queue for probably little benefit, or having their headline figure go well out of range but probably only for a short period of time. It’s a tough call, hence the 50/50 vote. I was all for an increase in OCR, but now it looks like the $4 a litre predictions were well off they probably are better to just leave their lever alone.
“It’s different this time” should also be ringing alarm bells. They’ve compromised their inflation laser focus very early in the piece.
The RBNZ is gambling. If that gamble fails, their toolset is very limited to reverse structural inflation. A more aggressive catchup cycle would be required.
But hey, it’s great to know they feel comfortable with each other. It would be so incredibly fantastic if this could all just blow over.
And if that inflation is imported?
Imported inflation still washes through the economy. It drives up input costs for businesses, and consumers take a hit with cost of living.
This situation in the strait is showing no signs of ending in the short term.
but what can the rbnz do about it?
Defend the purchasing power of our currency with a 25bp rate hike, like half the board voted for.
And yet the NZD has gone up since.
You say that like we’re out of the woods. You think a 1.5% rise will do it?
It doesn’t offset the scale of the imported inflation hitting us. Inflation is expected to peak at 4.3% in the September quarter.
I say that like the connection is not mechanical....exchange rates are subject to multiple factors...not least of which is sentiment
Sure. And a rate hike would also have an impact…
Perhaps...briefly.
I agree, but realistically they are always gambling, as they are trying to keep future inflation in check, not current inflation. No one can predict the future (other than PDK).
I think inflation should be ok in the medium term. Either fuel prices settle at around current prices, or the war ends and they go back down. There is the chance they increase, but that doesn’t seem to be occurring so far, if anything they are declining.
But are still considerably higher than they were at the start of the year....'inflation' may decline but the costs will not.
Agree, but the RBNZ can’t really fix that.
They can look through one off unexpected price increases, and if this one stays in check it’s probably best they do.
Indeed it is....but 'inflation'
I was waiting for someone to quote this. Lol
The RBNZ are undershooting the rises now..... so will be REQUIRED to overshoot in the future years!
They are vibing, singing alongside conjuring gurus, with just hopes and prayers to the "Transitory Inflation gods"
- note to the blunt tools, at the RBNZ Board, your prayers to the same false gods, failed miserably in 2021. DONT NONE OF YOU REMEMBER !!!!?
WTF!
We really are just dealing with amateurs here, with the RBNZ Blunt Tools.
I have no faith that inflation will be contained in NZ.
Dr Breman is "Laser focused" on inflation like I am "Laser focused" on not impulse buying golf gear this year (currently on my 2nd set of irons and eyeing up a new driver).
You just need good lobe wedges
If the RBNZ hike you will probably still buy your clubs, but other people will lose their jobs and join the growing dole queue.
There definitely is a balancing act, much more so than normal when they are hiking due to an overheated economy. I think while 91 stays around $3.20 a litre they will wait and see.
Slightly off topic, but while NZers think we can be rich by all doing a trade, we will slip further and further behind the likes of China. We can’t plumb our way to international success!
What is going to happen with all these tradies if we don’t get the population increase that they keep predicting? Or even if we do?
Three-quarters of us now believe a specialised trade offers better long-term job security and stability than a corporate-focused university degree.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/360985932/white-collar-or-tradies-tools-u…
This begs the question: Why do we strive for international success int he first place instead of being as self-sufficient as possible as a nation. The answer of course, is that we have a desirable currency which benefits our trade situation but has been too relied on for the last 30 years to outsource and import due to 'cost'. China has of course been too alluring for most to resist cheap labour in the near-insatiable thirst for profit, to our own detriment.
The other reason is that we rely on imported labour, due to many kiwis leaving abroad for travel, and end up relocating permanently which brings the need for imported high skilled workers. Without these imported skilled workers we would crumble, a good example being the situation with lack of GP's currently to point to one key example.
The answer to all of this pondering comes, to me at least, as a need for a very robust, educated, honest and frank, discussion as a nation as to what we value, where we wish to be in 30-50 years at least, and a plan of how to get there. Something none of our politicians wish to approach as they are solely focused on the next 3 and milking the political career path before riding off into the sunset, be it here or abroad. The sooner the public think, read, learn, discuss, debate, and ponder on all of the above, the better we will be.
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