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Why Treasury told the Government it could, but shouldn't, grab a slice of big bank profits via a levy or tax top-up

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Why Treasury told the Government it could, but shouldn't, grab a slice of big bank profits via a levy or tax top-up
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The Government could've targeted the big four banks with a one-off retrospective levy, or a temporary top-up of the corporate tax rate, if it wished to take a slice of profits deemed to be windfall or supernormal during the peak COVID-19 period, officials advised Finance Minister Grant Robertson.

The advice, following a request from Robertson, came during February and March this year in the lead up to the Budget. Treasury's advice, however, was not to go ahead, and to instead have the Commerce Commission undertake a market study into competition in the banking sector. This is the direction the Government has gone in.

In terms of a levy, options suggested were to impose it at either 1.4%, 2.8% or 4.2% on the net profit of ANZ, ASB, BNZ and Westpac for the relevant years. This, Treasury said, would raise between $230 million and $700 million.

In terms of a top-up of the corporate tax rate applied to the net profit of any banks considered to have experienced a windfall gain, Treasury said a bank with annual net profit of $1 billion would have a normal income tax obligation of $280 million. A top-up windfall rate of 5% would generate an additional $50 million tax obligation for the bank. Treasury said it was seeking legal advice on whether there are any legal risks with applying a levy or tax top-up retrospectivity.

A range of overseas examples are cited in the Treasury papers, including supernormal profit levies in Australia. There banks with over A$100 billion in liabilities are charged a levy of 0.06% per annum on each cent of liability, in a move designed to recover supernormal profits arising from implied guarantee against failure that large banks benefit from in Australia.

Treasury officials also looked at levies on banks in Britain and Germany, and noted Canada's recently introduced “Canada Recovery Dividend”, targeted at windfall profits that's accompanied with a permanent increase to banks' income tax rate to 18% from 15%.

Also cited as examples are levies on what were deemed to be excess profits made by energy producers in the Netherlands and Czech Republic. The Dutch example is a special levy of 33% is imposed in the year ended 2023 on net profit that's more than 20% above the average level of net profit in the 2018 to 2021 years. In the Czech Republic  a special levy of 60% is imposed on the difference between net profits made by energy producers in the year ended 2023, and net profits averaged across the prior five years.

"Of note is that both examples were introduced in response to European energy producers experiencing relatively clearer windfall profits due to the war in Ukraine and subsequent supply disruptions. While the cause and severity of windfall profits in the New Zealand banking sector are not directly comparable, officials consider the core design could be replicable," Treasury said.

'No clear evidence of windfall profits'

Banks’ profits increased in dollar terms in 2021 and 2022 when they were likely supported by favourable economic conditions stemming from the government fiscal and Reserve Bank monetary response to the COVID-19 crisis, Treasury said, but it sees no clear evidence of windfall profits.

"Windfall profits are a form of temporary excess profit that arise from an extraordinary external event, rather than an enduring structural issue, that the firm is not responsible for. I.E. the firm did not anticipate the event, and the firm’s actions did not contribute to the windfall profit. There is no standard definition of windfall profits, but it often carries connotations of being unearned or undeserved," Treasury said.

"In practice distinguishing between windfall and non-windfall profits is difficult because it involves subjective judgements about the degree to which a firm anticipated the event, and whether profits were appropriate compensation for risk."

Ultimately Treasury officials said they didn't recommend a windfall tax in the banking sector citing risks to confidence in the certainty and predictability of the tax system and the effectiveness of monetary and fiscal policy responses to any future economic crises.

"Due to the risk of unintended consequences from introducing a tax on windfall profits, we do not believe there is sufficient justification to recommend a windfall tax. A windfall tax may undermine confidence in the certainty and predictability of the tax system, with potential flow on impacts on investment decisions and long-term economic growth and wellbeing."

"The incidence of a windfall tax is subject to elevated uncertainty, and there is a risk that the costs are borne by depositors and borrowers rather than shareholders. Moreover, applying a windfall tax on profits arising from the growth in bank lending risks undermining the effectiveness of monetary and fiscal policy responses at influencing credit conditions and growth in future crises," Treasury said.

If Robertson and Revenue Minister David Parker wanted to investigate ongoing "supernormal profits" in the banking sector, Treasury recommended they discuss initiating a Commerce Commission-led market study into the banking sector with Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Duncan Webb.

"A Commerce Commission-led market study would have the resources, expertise and information acquisition powers to identify the cause of, and solutions to, any weak competition and elevated profitability in the banking sector. Similar studies in other countries, e.g. Australia, have yielded useful information in recent years," Treasury said.

"Following the findings of that report, expected to take 18 months from when it is initiated, we can investigate tax measures that better target the factors of ongoing supernormal profits."

Officials said if the Government's objective is to tax the big banks' perceived supernormal profits on an ongoing basis, a permanent levy would achieve that more effectively, by preventing income shifting between periods as there would be no periods that the levy would not apply to.

A $1 billion threshold

Targeting the 2021 and 2022 years "appears appropriate as prima facie there would be a higher nominal amount of those profits in those years," Treasury said.

"If you wanted the proposal to target the banks most likely to be making supernormal profits, we suggest a straightforward way might be a $1 billion threshold in both the 2021 and 2022 years. If any banks are earning supernormal profits, we have higher confidence that the banks above the threshold are earning supernormal profits than those below the threshold."

In terms of a temporary retrospective levy on the net profit in 2021 and 2022 years, applied to banks with a net profit of more than $1 billion, this would cover ANZ, ASB, BNZ and Westpac. ANZ's profit over those two years weighed in at $1.919 billion and $2.299 billion with increases of 44% and 20%. ASB's was $1.321 billion, up 38%, and $1.471 billion, up 11%. BNZ's was $1.322 billion, up 74%, and $1.4 billion, up 7%. Westpac's was $931 million, up 69%, and $1.047 billion, up 12%.

As well as the assistance from favourable fiscal and monetary policy, Treasury cites banks reversing provisions for loan impairment losses, elevated inflation, loan volume growth, and widening net interest margins as factors behind the profit surge. It notes, however, that the big four banks have made higher returns over an extended period compared to the rest of the banking industry, with this relative strength persisting in recent years.

"The proposed levy will raise substantial revenue in a way that could support your wider distributional objectives, including but not limited to the costs of Cyclone Gabrielle," said Treasury.

"While the incidence a one off retrospective levy is most likely to fall on [bank] shareholders, there is a risk that at least a proportion of a levy could be passed on to consumers over time whether in the form of lower lending, higher interest rates, or other charges. The extent or timing of that pass-through is unclear, and depends on the trust that banks have that the levy is genuinely one-off, or may be repeated in future years."

"As businesses, banks operating in New Zealand, regardless of where their ultimate parent is based, are subject to the standard corporate tax rate of 28%. In the 2021 income year, the four largest New Zealand banks reported a tax expense of $2.2 billion which would be equivalent to 10.7% of all income tax paid by New Zealand businesses [of] $20.4 billion," Treasury said.

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If you are going to tax abnormally high profits, are you going give corresponding tax relief on abnormally low profits?

A better idea would be to crank up the required level of capital those banks must hold so the super profits are directed there. That reduces the risk of a future government bailout. 

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Politics is a game of perception, not policy. That idea although better won't be seen as strong action against big banks in NZ by the commoners who do not understand financial economics (even some on the MPC don't).

Imagine the huge portion of centre votes Hipkins could win back by announcing not only a windfall tax on banks' super profits but also to use those tax proceeds to bump up wages for nurses or build new hospitals. Ooh, that's election winning stuff right there if he can muster up the courage.

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Would that too not have unintended consequence? When capital ask is increased, then arguably the profit needs to increase to maintain the same return on capital. The optics will be that banks are making more profit, while the reality is they are making the same amount of profit relative to each dollar of capital. That's what we as shareholders would expect right?

Therein lies the challenge of looking solely at profit. Surely, the capital needs to be considered. Made up example - if Company A makes $200m profit but has $1m capital invested, and Company B makes $1bn but has $200m capital invested.... which one has excess profits?

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A fair point. 

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Wasn't Robertson trying to create a government fund that would act as a buffer for financial emergencies in much the same way?

Same issue though I guess - you would have the government holding billions of dollars in an account and in this (govt) case likely not making enough return to keep up with inflation. Encouraging productive uses of capital through reduction of the real estate sector via capital gains tax etc would go a long way towards solving this issue.

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My problem is how do you calculate capital invested? Is it market capitalization? If so then profits will always be reasonable, since if you have high profits your share price will go up until your profit becomes reasonable.

If its from this definition (https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/21506/calculating-the-total-c…):

Total capital usually refers to the sum of long-term debt and total shareholder equity

It includes value of shares, but also debt from things like term deposits. It seems unreasonable to me if I borrow $1,000,000 from you lend it out at even a 1% margin and make 1000 since I have invested absolutely nothing.

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Well said Mr Beanie.

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When I was a young fella we used to put our index fingers in our mouths and pull the corners wide and say "My father is a banker". Seems things haven't changed much. 

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Here's a better list of why they shouldn't

1. It was a retrospective tax - banana republics put in retrospective taxes not first world countries. Very ugly.

2. NZ banks are primarily listed and controlled by Australian companies. What sort of message would we be sending the international community about operating in NZ - and the instability it would create in the banking sector for both Australia and New Zealand. Extremely Ugly

3. The excess profits were a result of how the OCR was managed, the FLP and fiscal measures put in place during Covid to stimulate the economy. The FLP specifically helped boost bank profits and the RBNZ and government knew it would when it was implemented. How can industry trust a government who creates an initiative, ignores the unintended consequences and then blames industry for those unintended consequences. Fatal to creating a competitive market economy that relies on good governance.

Whilst the concept is popular with voters- the international community would have downgraded NZ harshly as a country to conduct business in and with.

 

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Excellent post ikimpaul. Retrospective taxes are the mark of an incompetent government. Treasury gave the right call. NZ has been living on foreign loans for many years, mainly to fund consumption. To keep this money flowing and our dollar roughly stable involves keeping international confidence.

The entire point is the low interest money which was showered on the major banks, intended to keep house prices reasonably stable and consumer confidence high, was certain to increase bank profits. The time to remedy that, was to introduce measures in advance. Not retrospectively.

What a bunch of twats, with Roberston being the chief.

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NZ has been living on foreign loans for many years, mainly to fund consumption.

 

Can you pls tell what data points to this 'foreign loan' ?  Balance of payments? 

Thanks 

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There are heaps of fixes, that are better than taxing the money they have already hoovered up from Customers (You know the ones in a cost of living crisis)

  1. Regulate deposit and lending rates
  2. Regulate fees on customers money. i.e. no transaction fees, atm fees, etc... (Non-customer funds such as loans, credit, overdraft etc... can still attract fees)
  3. Allow an oncall account directly with the RBNZ
  4. Banks must supply their own deposit insurance
  5. No fees on default KS schemes
  6. Remove Fractional Lending, so the banks aren't creating their own cash.
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#6 would decimate Ponzinomics. Impossible to go back. And Werner argues fractional reserve banking doesn't exist. 

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Very true.

Werner explained the the money creation mechanism in banks first . Then BOE published their paper about banks.

In NZ , our RBNZ also has a very detailed paper about bank money creation and how accounting goes through settlement accounts(don't call them reserve account)

Still people thinks banks lends out of the deposits.. 

 

 

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I would judge 1-3,5 to be too much government interference and likely to lead to disaster.

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Just backdate the interest on the FLP program.

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Based on the numbers in this piece the government already takes over $2 Billion/year in taxes from these four companies. 10% of the entire company tax take. Not enough apparently.

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AND the big four CA firms - They created a mess in Australia - Time to cut them loose and save some serious cash!

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How the big four accounting firms infiltrated governments, earning more than $10b over a decade while taxpayers are in the dark

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-17/pwc-ey-kpmg-deloitte-government-…

 

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The big-4 are good at bending the rules on conflict of interest, occasionally breaking them in the hopes that no one would find out.

No rocket science here: these firms hire senior officials from the public sector into consulting roles with fat-cat profit-sharing incentives. These ex-public officials then leverage their networks within those agencies and ministries to win big advisory contracts. Sometimes the senior officials who award those contracts also leave public office and join the consulting firms that "owe" them for those generous contract awards.

Nobody is willing to stop this lolly scramble of taxpayer money since the government of the day will probably need consultants to look into these matters.

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I still remembered my working days at a govt agency in Wellington, we had a whole floor dedicated to the big four consultants - they did everything from HR work to IT Help desk and a minimum $180/hr.. I'd hate to see what the overall bill now from the Govt.

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Try $300+ an hour and flying said consultants from other cities to Wellington, paying their mid-high end accommodation for the duration of their contract e.g 6-12months, a food supplement payment weekly, and return flights every weekend or two to their home city to see their families. Add in the catered meetings they attend, and can you tell me that this government is appropriately spending money? This is more common than you think, and then when the payroll simply puts the consulting in another column on their spreadsheet it doesn't look so bad to the OIA requests.
I understand that shedding staff is cost saving but given the common scenario above, you can easily see there are numerous solutions to solve staff expenditure that doesn't include simply offering more money and incentives.

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these firms hire senior officials from the public sector into consulting roles with fat-cat profit-sharing incentives. These ex-public officials then leverage their networks within those agencies and ministries to win big advisory contracts.

Do we have to mention ex prime minister John Key ? 

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A key phrase from the article is 'perceived supernormal profits'.

Sounds like a cherry picked envy tax - shouldn't the basis be the ROE/ROI?  How do these compare with other industries financial results?

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Banking. It's all about Risk and Reward.

In 2006, (Mozilo) was paid $US48 million, beating JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon by $US10 million and Bank of America CEO Kenneth Lewis by $US20 million. From 2000 until 2008, Mozilo received total compensation of $US521.5 million..."...people, regular people, average people got caught up in the mania of buying a house, and flipping it, making money,” he said. "Housing suddenly went from being part of the American dream to house my family to settle down — it became a commodity”....“No, no, no, we didn’t do anything wrong,” he said in a 2014 interview. “Mozilo didn’t cause any of that.”

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/the-ceo-who-became-…

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Yes the banks get the reward while the tax payers take the risk.

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Nationalise the god damn banks.

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Sort of like Venezuela? 

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Excessive banking profits represent the gap between customers financial aspirations and regulatory conditions, both of which are not controlled by the banks then why they qualify for excessive tax. No body is stopping our citizens to buy publicly traded shares of these banks and get benefited. This government is simply playing politics of appeasement of a particular segment of its permanent voters who would fail to look at the bigger picture as they are waiting for the next Wednesday. This only makes sense if the government is providing 100% guarantee and protection to depositors. 

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Extra profits are generated by abuse of customers.  So any equalisation should go back to them, not government.

Restructuring of the banks to cease their  control of price would do it.

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Banks would just pass it through to their customers (i.e. the public.)

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There is confusion around what is a high profit margin and what is a large profit share.

Our banks are the latter due to a lack of other serious competitors. 

 

ROI is middle of the road and not unusually high compared to other industries. 

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