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'It doesn't mean we hate you': Commerce Commission Chairman John Small on banking, market studies and why he joined the competition watchdog

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'It doesn't mean we hate you': Commerce Commission Chairman John Small on banking, market studies and why he joined the competition watchdog
Commerce Commission Chairman John Small.
Commerce Commission Chairman John Small says market studies are like a health check. (Image: supplied)

Commerce Commission Chairman John Small says the regulator will be digging into banks’ capital requirements and the prudential regulation regime to examine whether it has any impact on competition as part of its market study.

On Tuesday the Government announced it had initiated a market study into the banking sector, after completing market studies into fuel, supermarkets and residential building supplies.

Industry lobby group, the New Zealand Banking Association (NZBA), said it would work constructively with the Commission on the study, and the market study would “ease any concerns in the community about competition and innovation in the banking industry”.

The NZBA said in recent years the industry had seen bank teams tied up with significant regulatory requirements, limiting the ability to focus on new product development. 

“We hope the Commerce Commission will look closely at the regulatory environment as part of its study.”

Small said the Commission would look at regulation of the sector, including capital adequacy (the amount of money banks need to have to ensure they don’t fall over in times of stress).

“We know that prudential regulation, for example, affects the amount of capital that you have to have in a bank. I'm not sure whether we'll find out that’s a factor making it harder for small banks. I don't know if that's true or not. That's something that we'll be looking at.”

He said banking prudential regulation, overseen by the Reserve Bank, was aimed at making sure banks were well-capitalised so that they can withstand the bad times. 

That was a different concept to return on equity, for example, where a businesses’ income is compared to shareholders’ equity, Small said.

The KPMG annual financial services report found the New Zealand banking sector had a return on equity of 13.4%​ in 2022, compared to 15%​ on the companies in the NZ stock exchange’s top 50 index, the NZX50.

“We're not going to be estimating rates of return ourselves because everybody's done that. We’re trying to understand what does this mean? Is it really an indicator with benign explanations? That kind of thing."

Small said the reaction from the banking community to the study had been pretty good.

"Some of the banks have made it really clear that they see this as an important way to help them build trust and confidence in the system. Everybody wants that. It's no good if people are mistrusting of banks, and so we think it can help there. And that's obviously one of the aims of the Commission, to build trust and confidence on market impact of regulation of various sorts on banking competition."

Market studies are why Small joined

Small held a media call a day after the banking market study was announced, where he outlined why market studies matter and said these kinds of industry deep dives into competition by the regulator hadn't happened for decades.

The Commission Chairman said market studies are the reason he joined the regulator. He said market studies, introduced through a Commerce Act amendment in 2018, were highly complementary to its other work enforcing laws and determining whether there were breaches of competition law. Market studies were more proactive, Small said.

Small said the firms involved in the market studies thus far had reacted well and professionally to the competition regulator's probes. He said market studies were common in other jurisdictions.

"They are a normal process ... Someone is going to come through and run the ruler over whether or not competition is working properly. That doesn't mean that we hate you. It doesn't mean we don't value the work that you're doing, or your contribution to the economy and society, it just means that from the point of view of the social contract, it's useful to have a check run over these industries from time to time."

Small said his sense was that there was broad political support for competition policy to be effective, including market studies.

He said there had been "little proof points" that had popped up through the market studies undertaken which showed market studies do have an impact. Land covenants, for example, had been found to be hampering development of supermarkets and the industry players agreed to remove them. Similarly, in the residential building supplies study land covenants had been found to be problematic. The grocery study had already prompted the duopoly to start working on wholesale networks, and rebates in building supplies had also been junked after the Commission looked into the sector.

"So that's real. That's demonstrated a clearly positive effect on lots of places, where ordinary New Zealanders do the shopping, there's now more locations that supermarkets can be opened."

But he knows consumers, and business, are under pressure. A recent consumer survey from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment's Consumer Protection team found confidence in New Zealand's consumer regime had weakened.

Small said that finding was disappointing, and the Commission had plans underway to improve how consumers' interact with, and perceive, the work of the regulator including how consumers' first contact the Commission, to make its "front door" welcoming.

The cost of living crisis and inflation was straining the social contract between consumers and business.

"One of my big priorities is to get out there more talking to consumers and businesses about what we're trying to do. Awareness of the law, the relevance, and how we approach these things. Because I think actually, just awareness by itself will drive better conduct from firms, and more confident consumers start to kickstart that virtuous cycle. From our point of view, my main strategy here is to be more visible, more public, more clear and direct about what we're trying to do."

Would he like any more tools added to the Commission's toolkit?

Absolutely, but Small is not saying what that might be until after this year's General Election.

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The question was "are we getting a fair deal from the banks?" Will this review answer this?

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then we need to clearly define what is fair deal first. 

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We could start by looking at what the banks deliver in Aussie, the US and Europe?

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Most consumer banking functions in NZ could be automated and completely handled via web site.

In essence, these functions are no more than a typical utility provides but without all the hugely expensive infrastructure.

Their margins & profits suggest they're probably one of the most expensive utilities EVER!

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they need to look at the challnges the 2nd tier face, regulatory moats around big banks, cost of funds issues, etc...    Perhaps it is time for a NZ Fannie Mae Freddy Mac setup to even the field and pass the savings on to NZers, we humans are like dairy banking cows.... Mooooooo

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we humans are like dairy banking cows.... Mooooooo

I doubt the bank managers and those in the upper eschelon of the banking world appreciate you revealing how they really see the general public outside of their boardrooms XD 

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ComCom is toothless. There really is little point to another study.... and the would most likely be worse under a National Government.

If the ComCom can't change the easily observable issues with Fletchers they wont be able to do anything about the more technical issues with the banks.

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They aren't toothless... they have a proven ability to chew up consumers and spit them out with ease.

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In all fairness, the ComCom has no authority to intervene in the market under its current Act. It is up to the Cabinet to provide ComCom with a sharper set of teeth and the autonomy to go after businesses that are out of line.

Even a Labour-majority government is too chicken to act against outright consumer exploitation at the hands of businesses, such is the chokehold of business lobbies in NZ. What shot does this country have at market fairness under a Nat-led government with a bunch of ex-lobbyists holding key party positions?

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Exactly

I made a submission to the study into building materials.

The first thing the commission said when they rang was that I needed to be aware that the companies involved would find out because they will do OIA requests and find out who said what.They asked if I still wanted to tell them what I had in an email.I said yes because I think it’s rotten what has happened. I was in position to where I could. 
 

My submission covered two points. My experience of being strong armed to not supply a customers opposition… in this instance another major retailer.The second was becoming aware of cartel structures in the industry.

I had one or two phone calls on the first point, and a phone call from Australia ,made a by a Brit ,who was contracted to the commission to look at cartel behaviour.He had never stepped foot in a New Zealand store, nor knew any of the company names of major industry participants. More than hopeless. I never heard back.

Then sure enough, just as I was warned. About six months ago I got a phone call from a former director I had worked for. He had been informed I had gone to the CC by the very company I had identified.

Some companies were warned about “certain behaviours” in the report. But it’s written up with such vagueness that the public and end user customers never find out what it all means….and that is that it’s costing more for building products than it should in a competitive marketplace.

I didn’t get involved. My integrity is more important than continuing in a corrupt industry. After thirty years in the industry I said no to the market allocation demand  and walked away entirely.

 

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I think the only change they made with Supermarkets is they stopped the evil landbanking practices and blocking development via caveats. No extra competition and the duopoly still stands. What a worthless waste of taxpayer money.

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The only report we should be having is on the ComCom and why they are so ineffective.  They are letting down each and every New Zealander. 

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having been in touch with the CC over HelloFresh I can agree that they are another Govt. dept. that appears to be working to keep themselves busy without really achieving much for the people they are meant to serve

Want to improve banking tomorrow  - number portability - just get on with it

I am sure everyone can (well ok those under 30 might not) remember how frustrating it was to lose your phone number when you changed providers -it was market monopoly behaviour at its worst  - sanctioned by Govt. depts. 

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Add the $1.79/min for calling, no wonder landlines were preferred then. 

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The Com Com are pathetic.  I can’t think of a single incidence of a fundamental shake up on their recommendations. 

They analyze. They report. And little changes.

Rinse and repeat. 

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"Small said the Commission would look at regulation of the sector, including capital adequacy (the amount of money banks need to have to ensure they don’t fall over in times of stress)."

Something fishy going on here.

This has to be a stick or a wet bus ticket that Labour want to use against the RBNZ as capital adequacy is a RBNZ preserve.

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Banks’ capital requirements and the prudential regulation regime are the purviews of RBNZ. I assume they are the same for all the Banks operating in NZ. CC will have no say in modifying that. The ability to raise capital is of course more with the Big 4, because of their Aussie owners (though the real owners may the International funds, etc). Size is a factor in competition and it takes a long time and good backing for a new entrant to grow to a good size. Witness Kiwibank, still not sure where it is going and how and when.

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