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ANZ first to react to the much higher wholesale swap rates flowing from the surprise CPI data. Bank raises fixed home loan rates by about +45 bps and term deposit rates by about +30 bps

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ANZ first to react to the much higher wholesale swap rates flowing from the surprise CPI data. Bank raises fixed home loan rates by about +45 bps and term deposit rates by about +30 bps
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Well, that did it.

A much higher than expected Q3-2022 CPI inflation level has turbocharged interest rate markets.

And those pressures have spilled over into sharply higher fixed mortgage rates.

The first to move is ANZ, adding between +34 basis points and +55 bps to its fixed rate card.

ANZ's two year rate is now over 6%, well over, and this is the first time it has been this high since November 2011.

In fact, their virtual-6% one year rate is its highest since February 2011.

ANZ has also raised term deposit rates as well, by between +15 bps and +75 bps. That results in its six month rate rising to 3.60% and one year rate rising to 4.30%.

The last time ANZ one year TD rates were at this level was in February 2015.

(ANZ's +75 bps term deposit rise was for their five month offer, but that only raises it to 3.00%, so more of a curve correction than a significant increase).

As ANZ is New Zealand's largest retail bank, it's rate positioning has market influence. There seems little doubt all its rivals will follow. The only question will be when.

From a borrower's point of view, those who were on a two year fixed rate two years ago are going to find the transition tough. In mid October 2020 the two year fixed rate from ANZ was 2.55%. That rate today is now 6.19%. If they took out a $580,000 mortgage in October 2020 (being 80% of the national median house price then of $725,000, their weekly payments will be rising from $532 over the past two years to $818 per week for the next two years. That is a +$286/week jump, or +54%. In anyone's budget, that will hurt.

One useful way to make sense of the changed home loan rates is to use our full-function mortgage calculator which is also below. (Term deposit rates can be assessed using this calculator).

And if you already have a fixed term mortgage that is not up for renewal at this time, our break fee calculator may help you assess your options. But break fees should be minimal in a rising market.

Here is the updated snapshot of the lowest advertised fixed-term mortgage rates on offer from the key retail banks at the moment.

Fixed, below 80% LVR 6 mths   1 yr   18 mth  2 yrs   3 yrs  4 yrs  5 yrs 
as at October 19, 2022 % % % % % % %
               
ANZ 6.05
+0.55
5.99
+0.54
6.09
+0.44
6.19
+0.44
6.29
+0.34
7.19
+0.34
7.29
+0.34
ASB 5.50 5.45 5.65 5.75 5.95 6.09 6.09
5.49
+0.14
5.45 5.59
+0.04
5.69
+0.10
5.89
+0.20
5.99
+0.10
5.99
Kiwibank 5.45 5.39   5.65 5.89 5.99 5.99
Westpac 5.45 5.45 5.65 5.75 5.75 5.85 5.85
               
Bank of China    5.25 5.35 5.45 5.65 5.85 5.85
China Construction Bank 5.50 5.65 5.65 5.95 5.95 6.85 6.85
Co-operative Bank [*FHB special] 5.35 5.25* 5.65 5.75 5.95 6.09 6.09
Heartland Bank   5.09   5.45 5.49    
HSBC 5.29 5.39 5.54 5.59 5.79 5.89 5.99
ICBC  5.35 5.25 5.35 5.45 5.69 5.89 5.99
  SBS Bank 5.29 5.29 5.45 5.49 5.75 5.79 5.79
  5.25 4.99 5.45 5.49 5.59 5.75 5.75

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155 Comments

BOOM !  

I do believe HouseMouse has got a special apology and congratulations to make to The Prophet.

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The Prophet might have been too conservative - mortgage rates at 8% next year is becoming a real possibility. 

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10% Interest Rates Next Year, Guaranteed !

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Check out the ANZ Standard Rates for Standard People. I wonder what they will all be by December ???????

https://www.interest.co.nz/borrowing

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They are talking 10% rates in the USA now. Where they go, we go. Time to bring back that good ol Kiwi catch phrase "Go hard and go early".

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I love how interest rates keep getting higher.  This just makes it more impossible for people to purchase homes!  Either you pay the high price for the home, or you pay the high interest price to the bank! Let's keep it up!!!

 

-7

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Perhaps. Let’s see. 6% isn’t 7%. But it might get close, I have to admit. 
I will beg for forgiveness.

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So is that an official beg for forgiveness ? it all sounds a bit vague, is there going to be a congratulations ?

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HouseMouse it's time to admit Interest Rates have gone 7 and Up. Just make 7 up yours !

I don't know why some people get so offended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIICQemjmNc

 

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So the Scroll has unravelled and the Prophet has delivered. 

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Wow. 
TA is looking like even more of a clown. A month or two back he said fixed rates wouldn’t go much above the mid 5’s. 
so ironic that the Herald - the very entity that have pumped up the bubble shamelessly, with TA and AC as their key cheer leaders - are now publishing sob stories about it all turning to custard.

shameless

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I saw a stuff article today where TA was warning people rates will rise more LOL... ahwell atleast he's got his hideout organized in Gold Coast.

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Gold Coast eh?  Interesting...

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If you disappear for a Week St Landers I will be getting worried.  The Prophets Father has got a special something in store for these people, you don't need to do what I think you are thinking !

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I will be spreading His word there next year.

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I have a rather disturbing image of him which I can’t shake - oiled up in budgie smugglers, lol

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I bet those thick, curly locks aren't just restricted to his head.

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Do you mind..  some of us would like to be able to eat dinner tonight.

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Sausage and hard-boiled eggs

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Careful guys, I had my comment deleted a couple of days ago, the one describing Orr dressed in a skirt made from Pikopiko leaves performing a Karakia with fellow RBNZ staff on the news of latest CPI figures.  These types of comments go against Interest.co community standards.  

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I wonder whether Alexander & Ashley (sounds like an English brand of fragrant candles) followed their own advice on buying properties and fixing for short terms. Obviously they'd have benefited from earlier years' policy subsidising and pushing up property, but am referring more to the very recent times.

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Check independent economist live today evening trying to brainwash......sponsored by real estate agency

https://youtu.be/nno0Xwng7Rw

Trying to reignite FOMO.

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Interesting link - no date

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Sob stories will be published to pressure the government to pull out some tricks to support the market. A new grant to "help the first home owners"... 

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Those TD rates almost feel criminal

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Does anyone else feel that the vibe has turned a bit dark since yesterday? Not on this venerable website, but in MSM, next to water cooler at work, round about town etc.

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What is the noticeable change from your perspective HM?

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Oh it’s hard to pin down. Just the mood in a few places at the business end of town. Maybe I am imagining it. I was in a building industry meeting though.

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We're being told things are terrible from almost every angle.

So perhaps it's all sinking in.

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A lot of people are realising how mind-numbingly stupid that they and this entire country have been?

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It's all really deferred pain.

Some people might have thought the economic General Lee was going to clear the fallen bridge after covid came.

Pretty hard not many options in the circumstances other than keep going.

Preppers will be dancing jigs.

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No, it's not deferred pain.  It's just the natural consequences blowing the mother of all housing bubbles.

There's a bloodbath coming.

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In case you didn't notice there's significant other economic and financial issues permeating through the economy, both nationally and internationally.

Something about a pandemic, and issues in Eastern Europe, that sort of thing.

Spose railing at housings the new railing at pandemic restrictions.

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Nah. New Zealand had a huge housing bubble long before the Chinese lab-leak and Putin got sticky fingers and we've been calling it out all along.

Morons just used covid as an excuse to double down on the bubble. Wealth effect and ticket clipping.

Now we have the inevitable result. The brown noise is sounding "across the motu".

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we've been calling it out all along.

Yep, people have been calling it since the last one. 

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Spose railing at housings the new railing at pandemic restrictions.

So you're just talking s***.

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Yeah I just get angry at whatever current imposition the system is subjecting me to. First it was restriction of movement, then housing. That's about the extent of issues, right?

No one else got the memo, this is my own private universe. 

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The way you always talk in the first person about others is very cute. It reminds me of a child struggling with severe autism.

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So you're less onto it than an autistic kid. I thought skilled professional would pay better than sheltered workshop. 

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Christ.  Work on your comebacks mate.  Amateur hour.

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Jesus! I have two teenagers in the house and they occasionally nip away at each other like this. They are 15 & 16, so they have more or less grown out if it though.

How old are you two???

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Pa1nter should be 10-20 years more mature :)

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Many of us here have been consistently calling a vulnerable housing bubble, on this website, for several years. 
A view pretty much absent anywhere else on MSM and forums throughout NZ.

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I've been reading about a NZ housing bubble for a few decades. Might depend on where you're looking, people here like citing propertytalk, which is somewhere I've never ventured, and they likely have a different view. 

Everything is vulnerable to the cost of debt, so the question begs, why is it only housing people that people think is going to face it's reckoning? House prices are faultering, but everything else is still rising. 

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Yup, food prices are rising but you can't eat your house. Cost of heating is rising so using your house as a source of fuel🔥is as counterproductive. There's no denying the average folk are increasingly being trapped between a rock and a hard place. If the cost of money goes high enough, prices will soon come crashing down. Its debt driven deflation that could be the next battle.  

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Thanks JA 

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Ha-ha :) 

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Best Prime Minister in living memory

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That did not stop you doing the exact opposite of what you were saying online did it. 

HouseMouse the Hypocrite

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The pandemic didn't cause this. The governments grossly irresponsible response caused it.

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It's all really deferred pain.

The end of the ol' Kiwi exceptionalism?

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Just this country?

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It's the worst country in living memory.

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DP

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It's the worst country in living memory.

Not according to Robbo. He's always comparing NZ to other countries to point out how the NZ position is relatively better (implicitly because of his behavior and actions). 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/cost-of-living-crisis-n…

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No, worst PM and Government. The rest of us don’t need to be lumped in with their lot. They drove the bus.  We were just unwilling passengers 

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RP,unlike Australia during covid ,you have been free to "get off the bus" when ever you wanted too...

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Especially this country, though there will be others incl Aust 

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They probably won’t be as bad. Apart from Sydney most of their markets didn’t get as silly as NZ.

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 "....how mind-numbingly stupid that they and this entire country have been?"

No need to confine it to the domestic..it's a global issue.

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Int.co is a good 12 months ahead of the MSM.  I direct many younger potential fhb's to this site.

As David Hunter (@DaveHcontrarian) would say....watch and learn

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The negative vide is all around me, man.  Just today for example chatted with 2 random colleagues I almost never see about how stupid things have got over last few years, especially recently.  One said he has about a dozen friends all recently took off to Oz, basically because of NZ house prices.  He agreed that Oz is in a bubble and NZ is so bad that Oz is relatively a good deal.  The other guy has been following finance stuff for several years and has almost no idea what to do now - looking for value stocks if he can find them.

I have revealed my darkest nightmare (the bond markets) and do not want to talk about that anymore.

I remember the screens being full of Lehman Brothers in 2008.  Each morning I wake up and wonder if something like that will break today.  Train smash.

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The buzz has ended, the night is winding down and the almighty economic hangover is starting to be felt by all. The pain will draw out through next year and everyone, including the MSM (finally, as they could well have been reporting on this to help cut spending a long time ago) is realising the party is over. Some are heading home to save and pay down the mortgage faster in order to weather the storm. There's still a few stragglers at the tail end, having a couple more thinking the party will go forever, those will be the ones who it hurts the most.

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Westpac 5.85% for five year fixed this will be over 8% soon. Still house price’s have a long way to fall yet, but if you need to refinance now this is as good as it will be for years.

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Wow, ANZ 18 month at 6.09%. It was literally only 3-4 weeks ago that I remortgaged 18 months at 5.29%

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by HouseMouse | 11th Oct 22, 4:26pm

It’s getting very boring. 
I long ago admitted I was wrong on interest rates. 
And Btw there’s no chances fixed rates will get to 7% before Xmas. They almost certainly won’t get there next year either.

 

by Future | 11th Oct 22, 4:44pm

You should apologise for making false accusations against The Prophet though. Even if your jealousy has got the better of you HouseMouse.

No Chance fixed rates will go to 7% before Xmas you say.  Well Santa may just have a little something for you.

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Undo

by HouseMouse | 11th Oct 22, 4:50pm

Yep NO CHANCE.

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This is boring.

Why don’t you congratulate me, then, for saying 4 years ago that there would be a house price crash in 2022/2023? Was that prophet-like? 

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HouseMouse the more you keep denying Interest Rates Have gone to 7% the more you are Humiliating yourself. Interest Rates are going 7 and Up !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7chv6NfYeu0

  

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Give it a rest. 

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Now 7% is a reality and discussion will be when will we see 8% in front

Wait and Watch as Mr Orr always used to say earlier when ponzi was touching new heights every week.

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Was gutted when ANZ wouldn't let me carry over my existing 3.09% 5 year fix when trading up December. 

But the 4.95% 5 year fix is looking like a very good consolation prize.  

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Still happy with my 2.99% with another 3 years to run..

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( ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ)

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How much is that going to cost you to break when Winston gets back in?

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Who said I am paying the mortgage?

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Sorry, how much is it going to cost the public interest journalism fund?

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About the same dollar amount as a PI trying to find out when you leave NZ?

 

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I leave quite frequently.  I hope you aren't paying each time.

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Why would anyone care??

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I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to care. 

But our resident grievance blogger is muttering about the costs of hiring PI's to find out.

Perhaps he's just escaped from the loony bin.  Most of his rantings seem to defy logic.

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Well done. I really don’t understand why NZ’ers fix for such short periods of time. May as well be floating as <2 yrs.  5 yrs min I think, though 20 yrs usual in Europe and N America.

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we have no choice.  thats the terms the banks are allowed to offer.  makes every one with a mortgage sub prime in a way

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This time about a year back 5 year fixed was carded at 2.99% and hardly anyone wanted to lock in at the time, for whatever reason.

Today we have 7.29%.

That's meaty stuff in just a year.

But the same question must be on everyone's mind, as it was back then, "Should I lock in now just in case?" And guess what? The answer will be the same today, for most, as it was 12 months ago.

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if it looks like we will get a change in government which will restore the deductibility of interest rates and the incentive to provide rental accommodation in New Zealand.

The self-righteousness of speculators is quite the spectacle... These folk aren't the ones building new supply, just monopolising it.

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I suppose they are acting as bag holders at the moment - that's nice of them :)

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Lol

At least he - kind of - admitted he was wrong.

I agree with him that interest rates are quite likely to be falling by end of 2023.

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He didn’t really. He said “thank goodness I stopped producing my table of interest rate figures”.

yet he fails to mention he has spent the past 6 months telling everyone interest rates have peaked and will soon start falling, which will trigger house prices to rise again.
 

 

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Hey Miguel, do you have an up to date graph of NZ's HPI vs other countries historical data? I can't remember if it was you or ikimpaul that produced it from time to time?

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Where did ikimpaul go ?   Such great info !

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“which will restore the deductibility of interest rates and the incentive to provide rental accommodation in New Zealand.” - well we used to have interest deductibility and it didn’t seem to create enough rental accommodation judging by the prices. You wonder how people can keep rabbiting this crap out. 

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Does anyone have a good source for population data in NZ? I'd be interested to see what the population stats are for Boomers vs Gen X vs Millenials vs Gen Z. I wonder if as the boomers were the largest generation, Millenials make up the majority of FHB's at present, and it would be interesting to see what level of the population fits this demographic.

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The UK inadvertently opened the economic can of worms last week. The one we've been booting down the road for 13 years and more.

I can't see any other direction but up from here, given the fear that must have been instilled into Governments and Central Bankers across the globe.

None of them want to be the next Liz Truss.

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The pound is still doing better than the NZD though.

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This infographic of real house price growth in the last 40 years is wild. Not sure this is a gold medal we want to have…. 
 

https://twitter.com/wallstreetsilv/status/1582556167682723840?s=46&t=E3…

 

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Hahahahahaha!

I love how NZ really starts muscling its way through the pack around 2012, then from 2020 goes completely parabolic.

The Winner!

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Ouch!

Once upon a time I had a $1.4M or so mortgage (as in earlier this year).

Running the numbers I would need $84,000 JUST for the interest and at this rate only - much higher if it was say 7-8%.  Plus principal repayments.  Before tax that is a $120,000 or so salary, plus insurance, repairs, rates (hello climate change levy) etc.  So I'd need a high paying job just for that.  And that is before the principal repayments would at say $25,000 a year would take 56 Years!!!

And yes I had some passive income but even then its a drop in the bucket and the new tax rules cripple landlords with high interest rates.

Feel sorry for the young ones that got duped into fomo last year.  I guess the investors were "lucky" to have 40% LVRs on them to keep them out.

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"I guess the investors were "lucky" to have 40% LVRs on them to keep them out."

Sadly many investors will have used equity in the family home.

Greed.Gets them every time.

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That's whatcha get for hoarding houses during a housing crisis.

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Yeah I feel sorry for the ones that bought their first home last year being told it will only ever go up. 

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  1. Use debt with high interest rates to buy cheap assets

  2. Argue we need lower rates to create growth

  3. Once we have growth, argue higher rates will harm growth

  4. Once we hit zero rates and bubble, argue higher rates will cause a recession and hurt the poor

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Criminal behaviour from our older speculator politicians who've created and perpetuated this mess over the last couple of decades. They deserve to be scorned by history.

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Its a good time to start complaining about term deposits.

A 6 month term deposit gives you 3% or so if you're lucky - less tax.  

What voodoo economics require the rate to be so low when they can lend that very same money out at 6-7%?

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Must have oodles of low interest cash sitting elsewhere. One of the more knowledgeable on RBNZ and Treasury stuff could enlighten us.

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Why would the bank give you more for your term deposit than the rate they can borrow from the RBNZ?

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Real house price growth over the past 40 years. New Zealand really is special.

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1582556167682723840?s=20&t=Vp…

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Good God. 

What happens next.

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Watch the Irish flag enter the chat around 1997, quickly take a podium place and sit there right up until about 2009, then rapidly exit stage right and fall off the edge of the graph as the housing bubble there bursts.

That's what happens next.

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We have soft landing, light as a feather and all live in economic harmony forevermore.

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Yip. Imagine we all wake up tommorow and Putin says he is real sorry coz he made a big mistake and all his soldiers can go home again, iran takes back the drones and issues a full refund.. truss makes up with boris who takes over again.. trump says he wont run for Potus again as his ego just isnt up to it, saudis say they will pump a few mill extra barrels to get inflation down and putin turns on the gas tap again to europe who invite him for a glass of chardony and he rsvp and ask if his buddy xi can come coz he read up and realised they never owned taiwan before after all.. . We find out climate change wasnt real and interest rates and mortgage rates all drop to.minus five..orr prints a few billion and hands them to his mates and we all have a bottle of covid and laugb at the prophets 7% nonsense while bitcoin surges and we call our RE guys and order a couple more investment properties.

 

 

 

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Sh*ts getting real

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Those three words pretty much sum things up as well as anything.

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Property Investors Chat Group NZ:

"wowie... and so it starts.... There is no need for this.. and then the test rates we use will go up so client will get less lending, and then oh that means less people into their own homes or investment properties.. and next the other lenders will follow suit..  -- feeling sad"

With a screenshot of ANZ's fixed rate specials.  

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Poor mortgage broker..   oh well, how about them All Blacks?

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Awwwwwww, poor babies 

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Sob.

Speaking of test rates, what will they now be? Circa 9%?

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Highly recommend this group. Hilarious daily posts that come from a view of - the worlds economy should be ran in a way that’s sole purpose is to boost my sh*ty little rentals value

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Theres one in there today talking of his "self-rightious" tenant who wouldnt let him view his house until Friday even though he had a buyer that wanted to see it on wednesday... they really do look at the people buoying their bank accounts as scum..

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They really do.

The average rental agent also looks on tenants as scum.

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Average IQs unlikely to be much above 90 in those groups. Pretty dim witted people.

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If roles were reversed I would like to know how the tenant, who is now landlord would behave. Be very interesting 

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That's touching on the real correction that is needed in NZ. When people get a house and pay it down they then buy another house and their views change to seeing the housing as investment and trying to milk it as much as possible. Now this isn't everyone, as a lot of folk are in it for the long term and understand this so they look after tenants, but a lot of them are there for the $$$ and want nothing to do with the people side of it. If everyone took on the responsibility of landlordship and didn't pawn it off on a property manager then we would have a much more understanding country, with more money pumped into innovation and manufacturing instead of a speculative asset. 

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Not just housing. Some contemporaries of these landlords seem to have the same attitude toward their hospitality or horticultural employees.

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Do you need to join their group to access the humour?

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Unfortunately you do, still recommend. Just don’t post any facts, you will get shredded by a bunch of people that are so blind you couldn't have a debate with them anyway. 

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As I submitted I realised a better description is a bunch of 10,000 TTPs

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The "feeling sad" part gets me. She sure was feeling sad for those people. Nothing to do at all with the fact that she was a mortgage broker.

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Certainly wouldn't give me much faith in dealing with that mortgage broker if rising interest rates are enough to rattle their nerves.  Fair weather sailor comes to mind.  

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That particular mortgage broker calls herself "the Chief talker of Lets Talk Mortgages & Insurance"... 

All talk but no walk. 

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‘But break fees should be minimal in a rising market’

Needs updating?

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UK Inflation also above forecasts at 10.1%.

7.2% might look tame in our rearview mirror soon.

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Build cost for small home on chatham Is $1.3m vs budget of 800k. Were worried about mould and weeping windows in the previous rental of 17 years. Now something different to worry about esp if have  a mortgage. There goes the retirement 

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Quite noticeable how much quieter the property spruikers are here. It’s kind of nice to see them vanishing, although it’s also quite funny listen to them trying to spruik THIS market.

 

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You'd know about down spruiking hun

 

Just this week you were learning about the inter-relationship of interest rates and asset prices. Mind you I have had to explain that to you as well and yet you missed the point big time. Still you gripe about economists. In fact you gripe about most occupations hehe

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Am I the only one finding this a bit OTT? That is a massive increase in interest rates in a very short time frame. Either the NZ economy is so bloody strong that it can withstand anything, or it will collapse in a heap and the RBNZ will look like an even bigger bunch of numpties when we have deflation and they drop rates back to 0. If interest rates are this high when I have to refix in July next year that will be quite remarkable. 

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I wish you luck

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I’ll be fine assuming I keep my job which I think is the case for most of us. Personally I love inflation, it’s inflating away my debt. 
My concern is more that we end up back at very low rates and having to create inflation again, the last decade of that sucked. And on top of that we could have high unemployment. 

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Even if the NZ economy collapses in a heap, that's no guarantee that we will get deflation, or even tame inflation.

England's inflation is at 10% now.   Inflation is high all over the world, and we are just a little boat in a big sea.

Yes there has been a massive increase in interest rates in a very short time, but the RBNZ is not driving that.   Inflation is driving that.

It is crucial to understand that even if the wheels fall off our economy, then "they" cannot "drop rates back to zero" if global inflation is still raging.  They are not all-powerful.   Most of our rates are determined by outside forces.

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In Adrian Orrs own words:

New Zealand is a ‘price taker’ when it comes to determining the level of long-term interest rates,” he said.

 

We are a small economy and must accept the fact that saving and investment decisions in the rest of the world determine the bulk of our interest rate levels,” he said.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/126856502/adrian-orr-says-reserve-bank-o…

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I doubt you will be getting a 7% pay rise and I doubt you will be paying $34 for a burger and chips at the local pub like I saw the other day. Sure we will still have imported inflation, but the local inflation is a big part and it’s mainly driven by low unemployment. 

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Unfortunately, not doing anything is NOT an option unless you want to go down the path of most regrets as the NZD and the NZ economy completely disintegrates.

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This is well beyond doing nothing. There is a lag effect when putting up rates, it’s hard to know if the RBNZ understand this, they seem to be in reactionary mode reacting to 4 month old data. 

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Jimbo.   Try to understand that the RBNZ does not control rates.

Look at what happened yesterday.

There was a very high inflation reading.     As a result swap rates shot up.and mortgage rates will follow.

RBNZ staff may as well have spent yesterday at the beach gathering pipis. 

The INFLATION readings pushed up SWAPS which will push up MORTGAGE RATES.

The RBNZ can muck around with the OCR, sure.    But the impact of that on real rates is HIGHLY exaggerated.   

A big part of the reason for this unbelievably stupid bubble thar we are in is that the population has been brainwashed into thinking that the RBNZ is more powerful than it is.    RBNZ is tiny little cb in a very big global financial  system.

THE EMPORER HAS NO CLOTHES and the sooner that people realize that, the sooner they can start making rational investment decisions.

 

Just think it through.   What happened yesterday?  What role did the RBNZ play?

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I would count on them being higher.

 

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annual inflation data sparked a barrage of bank economists demanding steeper rate hikes, but is it the right call?  

Annual inflation came in at 7.2% in the September quarter, well above the Reserve Bank of New Zealand's forecast of 6.4%.

The response was swift, with two-year swap rates jumping 20 basis points and market pricing now tipping the official cash rate to go from its current 3.5% to at least 5.4%. 

Not everyone agrees massive rate hikes are necessarily the best way forward. 

The notion “we need to bludgeon the economy into submission” is only partially true, said economist Cameron Bagrie. 

“We need to have a national debate on stimulating supply; we literally need a call to arms,” he said, adding both sides of the political fence need to agree. 

“If we don’t get that call to arms, this is not going to be a soft landing; it’s going to be a deep, prolonged recession.”

Bagrie said significant damage has been done to New Zealand’s supply-side capacity.

He said labour supply growth that is now “practically zero” and potential growth is nowhere near the 2-3% that the Treasury is assuming.

Productivity is the best way to protect the economy, he said. 

The country needs to prioritise what it can do to reconnect NZ through a supply-side perspective “and at the moment we are not seeing enough urgency around that”.

“What we are seeing is everyone calling for demand management and opposed to supply stim

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Sorry the above was done on my phone,a snippet from business desk today.

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  1. Use debt with high interest rates to buy cheap assets

  2. Argue we need lower rates to create growth

  3. Once we have growth, argue higher rates will harm growth

  4. Once we hit zero rates and bubble, argue higher rates will cause a recession and hurt the poor

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1 Predict a decent fall in cpi inflation with plenty of advance discussion so that even those who dont follow the economy, get to hear and take note

2 release the cpi figure which even though it is not rising is suddenly seen as terrible news, and loudly proclaim its the worst result possible. Announce interest rates will have to rise dramatically 

3 banks immediately "do the right thing", raising swap rates. They are literally laughing to the bank.

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The cpi showed that non-tradeable inflation is becoming entrenched, and yes that is terrible news.

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Yes but those who follow the trends knew that already long before the figures came out. Instead the public were primed for a cpi fall which then justifies the shock and hand wringing by the banking community

I dont believe that it was a surprise.

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as high inflation persists, people will realize we are actually in a negative interests rate, and owning cash or debt is just losing money.

owning property is still the best of all options, as long as you can sustain higher interest rates. 

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Huttman eh...falling prices and rents in the Hutt area have been quite spectacular in recent months.

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Yeah but even if your house value falls to zero you still have a place to live, other investments can leave you with nothing. Fact is you have to have your money in something and I still prefer most of mine in the house.

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Guaranteed, LABOUR is done for.  Unfortunately we only have National to choose from.  Pick your poison.

 

However, it's a done deal now.  LABOUR can say byebye to reelection.

 

 

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