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Economists at the country's biggest banks are neatly divided as to whether the economy has or has not gone into recession, but there's great consensus that things are slowing and that our current account deficit's very big

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Economists at the country's biggest banks are neatly divided as to whether the economy has or has not gone into recession, but there's great consensus that things are slowing and that our current account deficit's very big
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ASB economists are inviting us to "place your chips on the roulette wheel of growth" as they assess the prospects for March quarter GDP figures to be released on Thursday (June 15).

Economists at the Big Five NZ banks are, quite unusually, neatly split on where the GDP figures will land - IE plus or minus - demonstrating how volatile and uncertain the economic climate is.

Westpac's economists say the economy shrank 0.4% in the March quarter, BNZ's economists say it was -0.2%, ASB reckon +0.1% and ANZ +0.2%. Kiwibank? Right down the middle, with 0.0%.

Depending on where the roulette ball lands either New Zealand is now in a 'technical recession' or it isn't. A technical recession is if we get two consecutive quarters of contraction - and the economy shrank 0.6% in the December quarter.

In ASB's Economic Weekly, chief economist Nick Tuffley says the GDP outcome is "very much on the knife-edge".

"...The volatility, measurement challenges and frequent historical revisions mean it is anyone’s guess what side of 0 the figure will be. Put your chips on red or black, spin the wheel and close your eyes," he says.

Tuffley adds, however that "focusing so narrowly" on whether or not NZ has gone into recession is to "miss the broader picture".

"If we don’t have a recession, it will only be because of the sudden flood of people entering NZ, something that seemed far-fetched a year ago when NZ’s border was being prised open.

"On a per-capita basis, GDP is set to shrink around 2% in this downturn: that’s 2% less spending or output per person. Besides the recession around the Global Financial Crisis (4.2% fall in per-capita GDP), you have to go all the way back to the early 1990s for a bigger knock.

"The point is, it feels like a recession in many respects because a large number of people are feeling sustained financial pressure."

Tuffley says ASB's forecasts don’t have per capita GDP recovering to its September 2022 level for nearly three years - although he concedes that forecast might rapidly change when the figures come out on Thursday. It took five years for per-capita GDP to recover from the GFC-led 2008-09 recession.

Kiwibank chief economist Jarrod Kerr and senior economist Mary Jo Vergara say in Kiwibank's First View publication that "it looks like the Kiwi economy managed to dodge a (technical) recession over the summer period – but only by the narrowest of margins".

"...Given the significant uncertainty over the quarter, with significant weather disruptions, we could easily see a print coming in well above, or well below, our 0.0% pick. What's important is the outlook. And the outlook is soft at best."

BNZ senior economist Craig Ebert in the weekly BNZ Markets Outlook also thinks the bigger picture is the most important thing. He says even if March quarter GDP averts the statistical fate of a technical recession, "it will be hard to deny the economy is, more generally, on a cooling trajectory - one that will take heat out of inflation".

"That’s the point we’d want to emphasise, not the finer points of quarterly GDP measurement."

Ebert says the fact that Q1 GDP growth was "probably something close to zero" is certainly reflected in the market polls.

"The Bloomberg variety has a median expectation of -0.1%, in a range of - 0.4% to +0.2%. Notably, the extremes of this range are represented by local analysts, not a local/overseas split, like there had been for prior GDP reports."

Before the GDP figures come out on Thursday, we will get - on Wednesday - the March quarter Balance of Payments (BOP) data.

Ebert says the BOP accounts "will show an enormous current account deficit" – annually nudging up to 9.0% of GDP.

"...That’s if we’ve got Q1, and historical revisions, about right. Also watch these accounts for the global reinsurance estimate that will register as a credit, related to the recent storm events, plural."

ASB's Tuffley says the current account figures "will definitely have big negatives plastered all over them".

"We expect the annual deficit to linger at or above 9% of GDP over 2023. It’s been a marked change from running a 1% deficit in 2020, and now means NZ is running the dreaded twin deficits: current account and fiscal. Together, they point to the private sector (and public sector) needing to save more and spend less, in order to help rebalance the economy."

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Well, the NZX50 is pretty much back to where it started 2023 which isn’t a great sign.

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it could be worse.

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And a chartist might suggest we are going to retest the recent low of 21/10/22 of 10,780. But we'll have to wait and see.

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Well, the NZX50 is pretty much back to where it started 2023 which isn’t a great sign.

FNZ (Smartshares) is the nearest proxy the hoi polloi can get on the NZX50 (mkt price only; not accounting for div around 2%).

Past 12 months - negative 0.7%

Past 2 / 3 / 4 years - neg 18% / 0% / +0.5%  

Past 5 years - +16%

Better off in gold. 

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so the prediction, on average of the five banks, is -0.06%.

I'd say it's more likely our GDP shrank overall, and the per capita GDP is even worse.

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I'm more worried about employment, wages and inflation.

Nominal GDP is almost ignorable for most of us as an economic measure, if GDP goes up or down a fraction of a percent it has almost no direct bearing on quality of life. In fact mostly it's now a measure of population growth.

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Talking to another small business today.  Out goes one worker.  Productivity of that individual was low and quality was poor.  Low performance can not be hidden any more.  Another for the dole queue.

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Well said.

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BNZ senior economist Craig Ebert in the weekly BNZ Markets Outlook also thinks the bigger picture is the most important thing. He says even if March quarter GDP averts the statistical fate of a technical recession, "it will be hard to deny the economy is, more generally, on a cooling trajectory - one that will take heat out of inflation".

But will it - wouldn't that depend on what's 'cooling'?  I doubt it will be prices - more likely volumes (activity/transactions).  Perhaps he needs to read Isabella Weber.

 

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Current account deficit of 9% of GDP annualised.  Somebody still has the confidence to spend more than they earn.  Thank you - you know who you are.

Me, I'll be happy enough to get through this recession with enough for rent and food.

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In a normal world, the exchange would fall to close the gap. We would import less and export more. 

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Save more, spend less - who’d have thought? 🤦‍♀️ We could also try producing a thing or two - radical as it sounds …..

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And grow your own vegetables Stop it Landgirl . You are talking too much sense 

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Regardless of what the numbers are on Thursday, the residential building industry is about to go bust in spectacular fashion. That much I know.

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"If we don’t have a recession, it will only be because of the sudden flood of people entering NZ".

So there are still countries out there worse than NZ?

Assaulted at a bus stop. Murdered in your home. Killed by a drunk driver. Sick from living in an unhealthy house. Suffering from delays in medical care. Working 3 jobs and still having to go to the food bank.

Why would anyone come here?

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So there are still countries out there worse than NZ?

Oh yes, if writing the same social tragedies for the US, you would say;

Too dangerous to use public transport. Murdered in your school.  Unwittingly killed by Fentanyl. Sick from living in a tent. Unable to afford medial care. Working 3 jobs and still having to commit crimes to feed the family. 

My point being, let's not go all Trumpian on NZ.  All he ever does is put the US down - and as per yesterday's comment from Luxon, it looks like that horrid trait by our leaders is entering our social fabric.

I feel absolutely blessed to live here - more NZers need to put the place right, as opposed to put the place down. MTCW.  

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"and as per yesterday's comment from Luxon, it looks like that horrid trait by our leaders is entering our social fabric."

FYI, understand the game being played by politicians of getting votes every election cycle, in order to get elected into office

How negative campaigning works in politics.  Frequently used by those in opposition to criticise the incumbents.  

https://www.tutor2u.net/politics/reference/negative-campaigning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning

https://youtu.be/9HYHg5TCg-o

 

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Sure, you can sling all the mud you want at your opponents - but Luxon slung it at all of us living here;

New Zealand had become a "very negative, wet, whiny, inward-looking country".

Big difference.

 

 

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Thank you for sharing that. I wasn't aware of it. 

That comment might sway some swing voters.

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Wait for the Greens' wealth tax.  It will sink NZ.  Significant capital flight and no incentive to start a business, as well as discouraging foreign investors.

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